For being such a black hole Zach's career shooting percentage is 46 which isn't great but certaintely isn't bad either considering that he incorporates an outside jumper into his game.

Its up to Zach to prove that he is cappable of doing it. Yes the turmoil and players around him is a valid concern. But I at least want to see him do his part and see the effort in trying to play team ball. Thats the difference with Lee. He could easily use all this turmoil the last few seasons and weak guard play the last few seasons as a crutch. But yet he continues to play efficently within his skill level. He continues to play team basketball and make a positive difference.

Okay there's two things I hate about this arguement.

1. This assumption that David Lee can walk on water and do no wrong. Oh for Bob' sake that was an exaggeration but you get my point. Lee has never possessed an outside jumper and continues to struggle on the defensive end. And I've said this a million times David Lee is no better than a Udonis Haslem. For the few things you ask of him he does them well but I wouldn't exactly hang my whole world on him. Yes the effort is there but he still lacks a lot the skill sets and talent to really be a serious power forward in this league. Right now of course this all could change and Lee could become Amare Stoudamire next year I don't know but just as an assesement right now.

2. The other thing that aggravates me is that everyone wants to make these final judgements about Zach's game yet I think most of us can count on one hand the amount of times we watched the Trailblazers this past season. All I ask is that people at least give the man a chance and he just got to the Knicks. I never really saw him play a lot before now but from some skills he' shown I think he could be a big asset to this team down the road in the right situation. Guys are going to shoot poorly and I think Zach overcompensates for the lack of passing that our guards do but if we can over get a "true floor general" on the team I think that could changes things a lot.

Bitty has a hardon for Zach.

Oh wait....

Posted by bitty41:

For being such a black hole Zach's career shooting percentage is 46 which isn't great but certaintely isn't bad either considering that he incorporates an outside jumper into his game.

Its up to Zach to prove that he is cappable of doing it. Yes the turmoil and players around him is a valid concern. But I at least want to see him do his part and see the effort in trying to play team ball. Thats the difference with Lee. He could easily use all this turmoil the last few seasons and weak guard play the last few seasons as a crutch. But yet he continues to play efficently within his skill level. He continues to play team basketball and make a positive difference.

Okay there's two things I hate about this arguement.

1. This assumption that David Lee can walk on water and do no wrong. Oh for Bob' sake that was an exaggeration but you get my point. Lee has never possessed an outside jumper and continues to struggle on the defensive end. And I've said this a million times David Lee is no better than a Udonis Haslem. For the few things you ask of him he does them well but I wouldn't exactly hang my whole world on him. Yes the effort is there but he still lacks a lot the skill sets and talent to really be a serious power forward in this league. Right now of course this all could change and Lee could become Amare Stoudamire next year I don't know but just as an assesement right now.

2. The other thing that aggravates me is that everyone wants to make these final judgements about Zach's game yet I think most of us can count on one hand the amount of times we watched the Trailblazers this past season. All I ask is that people at least give the man a chance and he just got to the Knicks. I never really saw him play a lot before now but from some skills he' shown I think he could be a big asset to this team down the road in the right situation. Guys are going to shoot poorly and I think Zach overcompensates for the lack of passing that our guards do but if we can over get a "true floor general" on the team I think that could changes things a lot.

1. I don't hang my whole world around Lee. But he is definatly someone you can build with if you are looking to play championship calibre basketball. I don't get that feeling with Randolph AS LONG AS he continues to play the way he has played the last few games. When he changes his ways then I will give him credit for it. But as of now he is living up to his black hole reputation.

2. Im commenting on what I currently see. Thats all I can comment on. And as of right now the guy is played selfish inefficient basketball. When he starts to play unselfish efficient basketball I will be the fist to give him credit for it.

3. the difference in Jamal Crawford & Kevin Martin is understanding. If Jamal Crawford had Martins understanding of the game of basketball he would be as good if not better than Kevin Martin. Randolph fits in that catergory of a player with limited understanding. If we were to put Lee's lack of skill & talent but understanding with Randolph's lack of understanding but skill & talent we would have a top 5 PF in the NBA. But if I had to choose one. I would go with understanding of the game of basketball and less talent over talent but no understanding of how to play team basketball.

Im out to work

Lee isnt a guy that needs 20 shots a game. He is a guy that will shoot a high percentage rebound and pass the ball something every teams need. Notice Mikki Moore this year how he is struggling. Take him away from Jason Kidd and all his easy baskets go away. David Has a lot of faults but he will work on them and get better. Lets watch this all play out.

ok, have watched zach now play for about 5-6 games...has the guy ever met a shot he didn't like? whoa...

Posted by djsunyc:

ok, have watched zach now play for about 5-6 games...has the guy ever met a shot he didn't like? whoa...

These Knicks should never be given the ball on the perimeter:

Steph
Crawful
Collins
Q
Balkman
Malik
Lee
James
Morris
Zach
Curry

Nate and Chandler are okay.

Randolph had 1 assist to 7 turnovers.

Those are Eddy Curry #'s. In fact their Efficiency rating has been close this season thus far.

I'd get rid of both of them.

Tonight's game showed the real randolph. Screaming at his teammates if he doesn't get a touch each trip down. Blaming them for not moving when he dribbles into a double team and tries to force it. And not running back on defense if he gets mad at missing few shots in row,not geting ball or thinking he was fouled. Just gives up and dogs it.

Posted by bitty41:

I like anyone who plays hard on both ends: David Lee is one of my favorite players in the league. I like Balkman a lot and like the little I've seen of Chandler and Mardy when he was healthy. Basically, I like the guys on rookie contracts who Isiah almost never plays.

David Lee is that a joke how about this if he can hold the opposing the GS Warrior to under 20 points that talk to me about him playing both ends.

Balkman and Mardy yea they play the defensive side when there not completely outmatched but they have very little to nonexisistent offensive skill.

Face it the guy who plays both ends just does not exist on this roster.

NEXT

Originally you said I don't like anyone Isiah acquires. All I was doing is listing guys I do like in order to disprove your claim.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-21-2007 09:38 AM]

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Bonn1997:

He hasn't done anything cancer like so that tag doesn't apply.

People are always on their best behavior in the beginning.
All he does well is rebound.

Bonn admit it almost anyone the Knicks got you would have hated it

This is where you said it. (I even quoted it the first time.) I guess you did at least have the word "almost" in there.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-21-2007 09:54 AM]

I thought Marbury was great his entire first half season here. Then it went all downhill.