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MS
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11/12/2007  9:20 AM
Safe to say no after his 6tos vs orlando and his signature 4-14 last night, time to stop believing this guy is anything more than a gunner
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11/12/2007  9:51 AM
It is not about him being bad but more about him being mis-used and mis-coached.
He can be better that that. It is unfortunate for him not to meet any good coach ot teammate except of short time with LB.
I hope he will find his home after Knicks will trade him. This will be fair.


[Edited by - arkrud on 11-12-2007 09:52 AM]

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11/12/2007  9:54 AM
Agreed I think he can be a good player used in the right system. I don't know how much we can get for him because of his erratice nature.

Was hoping he would have been sent to LA for expirings and draft choice, but Isiah think he knows all so we are stuck in .500 ball for the distant future
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11/12/2007  10:28 AM
Posted by MS:

Agreed I think he can be a good player used in the right system. I don't know how much we can get for him because of his erratice nature.

Was hoping he would have been sent to LA for expirings and draft choice, but Isiah think he knows all so we are stuck in .500 ball for the distant future

This is sad reality but we should be optimistic and start thinking about after IT era.
Jamal can be useful if we will get right coach or in trade scenario to rebuilt the team.
I don't see him as much as a problem like Steph or Eddy. Actually packaged with Eddy he can bring nice picks and serviceable players in exchange.






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11/12/2007  10:43 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

No, he's not.

No, he's not.
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MS
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11/12/2007  11:17 AM
I would call Atlanta and see if Knight would do this trade

Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford for Al Horford and Josh Childress, I would do that deal in a heartbeat

Marbury-Collins
Nate-Childress
Q-Balkman
Randolf-Lee
Horford-Morris

To be honest I would ever give Atlanta a pick, Horford is going to be awesome and provide defense and leadership, I don't want to go into another season hoping eddy is in shape and jamal gets his act together.
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11/12/2007  12:14 PM
I'd do the deal even without Childress! Zach and Horford would actually compliment each other very well, but Isiah never thinks about that.
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11/12/2007  1:07 PM
Posted by MS:

I would call Atlanta and see if Knight would do this trade

Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford for Al Horford and Josh Childress, I would do that deal in a heartbeat

Marbury-Collins
Nate-Childress
Q-Balkman
Randolf-Lee
Horford-Morris

To be honest I would ever give Atlanta a pick, Horford is going to be awesome and provide defense and leadership, I don't want to go into another season hoping eddy is in shape and jamal gets his act together.

Dream on.
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11/12/2007  1:31 PM
Isiah LOVES Crawford and the Knicks will NOT trade Eddie at this point. Might as well not talk about it. Isiah basically loves everyone on this roster.
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11/12/2007  1:50 PM
Wow, this thread is still going on ??

You people still think in your right mind that Crawford is an all-star caliber player ??
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11/12/2007  5:36 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Wow, this thread is still going on ??

You people still think in your right mind that Crawford is an all-star caliber player ??

He is.

For 15 out of 82 games.
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11/13/2007  1:58 PM
time to see what crawford is made of...
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11/13/2007  2:06 PM
I just found where Isiah collects his players from

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11/18/2007  9:21 PM
Jamal Crawford first 3 games

4 - 3pt attempts per game
8 - ft attempts per game
7 - assist per game

Jamal Crawford last 6 games

5 - 3pt attempts per game
3.6 - ft attmepts per game
3 - assist per game

He needs to start playing aggressive again. Get back to drawing fouls and creating shots for others.
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11/18/2007  9:43 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Jamal Crawford first 3 games

4 - 3pt attempts per game
8 - ft attempts per game
7 - assist per game

Jamal Crawford last 6 games

5 - 3pt attempts per game
3.6 - ft attmepts per game
3 - assist per game

He needs to start playing aggressive again. Get back to drawing fouls and creating shots for others.

That is the frustrating thing about him. When he takes the ball to the hop and stops all the fadeaway cross-over jumpers, he is a very solid offense player who can shoot at 49% or so. But he always seems to revert back to the gunner mentality. I think this is coaching more than anything else. If you ran plays for him like Rip Hamilton, he could come off of curls and Just shoot. Giving him the ball at the top of the key and saying "create something" is a receipe for disaster.
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11/18/2007  11:31 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Jamal Crawford first 3 games

4 - 3pt attempts per game
8 - ft attempts per game
7 - assist per game

Jamal Crawford last 6 games

5 - 3pt attempts per game
3.6 - ft attmepts per game
3 - assist per game

He needs to start playing aggressive again. Get back to drawing fouls and creating shots for others.

That is the frustrating thing about him. When he takes the ball to the hop and stops all the fadeaway cross-over jumpers, he is a very solid offense player who can shoot at 49% or so. But he always seems to revert back to the gunner mentality. I think this is coaching more than anything else. If you ran plays for him like Rip Hamilton, he could come off of curls and Just shoot. Giving him the ball at the top of the key and saying "create something" is a receipe for disaster.

49% or so what player are you watching. This guy stinks no ifs ands or buts. He is an awful defensive player and he shoots 39% from the field. Now tell me again how is this guy good when he cannnot shoot the rock.
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11/18/2007  11:42 PM
Posted by FireIsiah:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Jamal Crawford first 3 games

4 - 3pt attempts per game
8 - ft attempts per game
7 - assist per game

Jamal Crawford last 6 games

5 - 3pt attempts per game
3.6 - ft attmepts per game
3 - assist per game

He needs to start playing aggressive again. Get back to drawing fouls and creating shots for others.

That is the frustrating thing about him. When he takes the ball to the hop and stops all the fadeaway cross-over jumpers, he is a very solid offense player who can shoot at 49% or so. But he always seems to revert back to the gunner mentality. I think this is coaching more than anything else. If you ran plays for him like Rip Hamilton, he could come off of curls and Just shoot. Giving him the ball at the top of the key and saying "create something" is a receipe for disaster.

49% or so what player are you watching. This guy stinks no ifs ands or buts. He is an awful defensive player and he shoots 39% from the field. Now tell me again how is this guy good when he cannnot shoot the rock.

Dude, if you watch his game he can shoot open shots fairly well. It is the contested shots that lower his percentage. When he is coming off a screen or some other open shot where he does not have to do his patented cross-over dribble move, he is not a bad shooter. Crawford's problem is shot selection more so than not being able to shoot.
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11/18/2007  11:51 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by FireIsiah:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Jamal Crawford first 3 games

4 - 3pt attempts per game
8 - ft attempts per game
7 - assist per game

Jamal Crawford last 6 games

5 - 3pt attempts per game
3.6 - ft attmepts per game
3 - assist per game

He needs to start playing aggressive again. Get back to drawing fouls and creating shots for others.

That is the frustrating thing about him. When he takes the ball to the hop and stops all the fadeaway cross-over jumpers, he is a very solid offense player who can shoot at 49% or so. But he always seems to revert back to the gunner mentality. I think this is coaching more than anything else. If you ran plays for him like Rip Hamilton, he could come off of curls and Just shoot. Giving him the ball at the top of the key and saying "create something" is a receipe for disaster.

49% or so what player are you watching. This guy stinks no ifs ands or buts. He is an awful defensive player and he shoots 39% from the field. Now tell me again how is this guy good when he cannnot shoot the rock.

Dude, if you watch his game he can shoot open shots fairly well. It is the contested shots that lower his percentage. When he is coming off a screen or some other open shot where he does not have to do his patented cross-over dribble move, he is not a bad shooter. Crawford's problem is shot selection more so than not being able to shoot.

Gimme a break, this guy hasnt shot well his whole career. now it is his shot selection????? He stinks just like the rest of isiah's imports. Dont tell me otherwise, he is a terrible shooter and and god awful defensive player.
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11/19/2007  12:07 AM
Posted by FireIsiah:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by FireIsiah:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Jamal Crawford first 3 games

4 - 3pt attempts per game
8 - ft attempts per game
7 - assist per game

Jamal Crawford last 6 games

5 - 3pt attempts per game
3.6 - ft attmepts per game
3 - assist per game

He needs to start playing aggressive again. Get back to drawing fouls and creating shots for others.

That is the frustrating thing about him. When he takes the ball to the hop and stops all the fadeaway cross-over jumpers, he is a very solid offense player who can shoot at 49% or so. But he always seems to revert back to the gunner mentality. I think this is coaching more than anything else. If you ran plays for him like Rip Hamilton, he could come off of curls and Just shoot. Giving him the ball at the top of the key and saying "create something" is a receipe for disaster.

49% or so what player are you watching. This guy stinks no ifs ands or buts. He is an awful defensive player and he shoots 39% from the field. Now tell me again how is this guy good when he cannnot shoot the rock.

Dude, if you watch his game he can shoot open shots fairly well. It is the contested shots that lower his percentage. When he is coming off a screen or some other open shot where he does not have to do his patented cross-over dribble move, he is not a bad shooter. Crawford's problem is shot selection more so than not being able to shoot.

Gimme a break, this guy hasnt shot well his whole career. now it is his shot selection????? He stinks just like the rest of isiah's imports. Dont tell me otherwise, he is a terrible shooter and and god awful defensive player.

I kinda think that Jamal's shot selection has a LOT to do with his poor shooting percentage.
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11/19/2007  10:28 AM
Martin- shot selection is absolutely the culprit. Just watch Craw shoot when he's set. He's got a sweet jumper. He can definitely shoot the rock.

If he keeps his game to open J's and driving agressively to the lane he could shoot 45-46% and still get his points.

Right now he's struggling and getting into bad habits. They've been hitting him with the palming ball and now he's a turnover machine who's pressing with his offense.

Kid is an erratic player. Why he's being depended on to play 39 MPG and be the no.1 offensive threat on this team- I have no idea. If you're trying to reign him in and he's not complying- you do what you do to any player who does that- you bench him. But I think Zeke is just giving him free reign and that is not what you want out of a player who's instinct is to play one on one and go for flash. I feel like he will listen when given the right kind of responsibility.

Anyone notice how much of a different player he looks like when he runs with the second unit?
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