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BlueSeats
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11/1/2007  3:45 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by BlueSeats:
A winning season is typically an easily determined objective measure, while something as nebulous as a "real fan" is wholly subjective and undefinable.

Oh I see. This really is topsy-turvy land, isn't it?

Isn't it true that no team would define their fans as people who root for them to lose? But somehow that’s debatable here.

I think a team would define a real fan as someone committed to their long-term success, others are just transients and voyueres. This debate here is about the distinction between long-term and short-term.
And I think if you asked the fans of any team that isn't contending for a championship what their goal was for the season you'd get different answers. But here that is supposed to be an objectively defined goal.

Subjective measures like meeting goals or having success are different than "winning".
You are really on a different plane of consciousness. How do I get where you are?

Have we strayed so far or suffered so long that noting the difference between object and subjective measures is now considered some sort of lofty pursuit?


[Edited by - blueseats on 11-01-2007 3:47 PM]
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11/1/2007  3:51 PM
Dude, if you don't wanna discuss this anymore that's your choice. I won't lose any sleep over it.

How did I put words in your mouth by asking you if that is basically what you were saying (notice the question mark at the end of the sentence.) Not firing thomas because the next person might be worse.

I had no idea you were so easily offended. I hope you have been half as offended by some of the actions zeke has taken with this franchise and some of the things he said (about season ticket holders, and the infamous b word comments)

I apologize if i hurt your feelings, not looking to make enemies my first day posting
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11/1/2007  3:55 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I think a team would define a real fan as someone committed to their long-term success, others are just transients and voyueres.

I think its the fans that will only root for their team to win if they like the GM that are "transient."
Posted by BlueSeats:
Subjective measures like meeting goals or having success are different than "winning".

Wait, so you were really looking for 42? The answer to life, the universe, and everything?

OK.

42.
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11/1/2007  3:55 PM
i apologize to all, still trying to get used to posting here and in general. I gotta figure out the quote function.

I am really not looking to make enemies here or "flame" people. Just a very frustrated knicks fan
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11/1/2007  3:57 PM
Thanks for the support Trueblue!!!

I gotta run for now and actually do some work before this day ends. Damn, my productivity is gonna nosedive now that i started posting

See y'all after work!
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11/1/2007  4:11 PM
Posted by islesfan:

"True" fan kam, predicts 39 wins.

The ultimate Knicks "Hater" islesfan predicts 38 wins.

Go figure.

Isn't it something though?

Like my ex-girlfriend would always say she was cold and want more blankets. And i'd be like no get them blankets off me.

Some people are just wired different.

Go figure indeed.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/1/2007  4:14 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I mean honestly.. when you start quipping with DJ, you have problems.

Sorry, didn’t know DJ was untouchable.
Posted by TMS:

you're allowed to disapprove of the way this franchise is being run & still root for the team to succeed.

No kidding. After 6 years of losing, who here exactly approves of the way the franchise has been run?

But what of those here on record as saying they are rooting for the Knicks to lose but still bristle when someone suggests they aren’t a fan. If I were going to make proclamations of what is and what is not “allowed”, that would be something I would ban.

Rembee, would you rather the Knicks went won 33 games this year and 53 next year,
or 40 this year and 41 next?

IS that the choice? Hmmm how do you know its only 53? Why not 63?

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/1/2007  4:15 PM
Everyone is making some great points. Rembee kinda echos how I feel about it, though.

Rooting for my team to lose just so management can be changed is major loyalty to the team......what makes it bad is if you do it while bashing everything Knicks on a daily basis. That sucks.

Everyone here is a massive fan of the knicks. Like DJ said everyone reps it differently but its ok.

At the end of the day, we root for a team to prevent us from killing everybody at work, or in our house, or on the train, etc......"ah man I been waiting all year for the season to start".......how freakin true is that to all of you? The season already started but when the first real regular season game start......how many of us no matter our view point will have those butterflies and catch that child like smile when they tip off on friday?

Go knicks damn you!
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11/1/2007  4:21 PM
Posted by Nalod:

deal with adversity?



After a loss.......




Whats with mixing tobacco and laherba buena?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/1/2007  4:22 PM
I think the diffence in opinion and the label of hater & lover comes down to the approach in which we try to get our opinions across. Not that any approach is right or wrong. But Approach is proably what gets people labled.

If you look at our current situaton as a team, dwell on it continuing to bash the players & the team relentlessly you will proably come off as a hater. If you look at the current situation of the team and you post constructivly how they could change the situation for the better then you won't come off as a hater. Both approaches show that you are unhappy with the situation. But one approach will get you labled a hater. The other approach shows constructive criticizm.

Isiah has a small window to turn things around though I doudt he takes it because he would be to scared to sacrifice talent. We could either bash him all day for the current product or root for him to make the nessesary changes to set us up for success in the future. Both approaches show you displeasure for the current product. But again one approach makes you look like a hater, the other approach people consider being a fan.
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11/1/2007  4:27 PM
Posted by kam77:

Whats with mixing tobacco and laherba buena?

i went to greece last year and that's what they did over there.
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11/1/2007  4:46 PM
Yeah, i think its crazy. I saw some guy making those awhile back when i went to Amsterdam. I would never wanna do that though.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/1/2007  4:47 PM
You hear that kiddies? Don't do drugs.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/1/2007  4:56 PM
I want to apologize.

I realize that saying that anyone here isn't a true Knick fan is hurtful and entirely uncalled for. We are all Knicks fans for life, and I didn’t mean to hurt anyone's feelings by saying otherwise.

There are better times ahead, even if we disagree on how to get there.

Go Knicks.
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11/1/2007  5:01 PM
Looks like someone just took a big puff.
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11/1/2007  5:37 PM
Posted by joec32033:


YOU FUCKED WITH THE WRONG MARINE
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11/1/2007  5:41 PM
Posted by Nalod:

deal with adversity?



After a loss.......



After seeing a loss and Isiah smiling I need a.....



And a loss to the Celtics would require a tip toe throught the tulips!


Next up: Phillies, Dutchies and Gotties!
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11/1/2007  5:45 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Nalod:

deal with adversity?



After a loss.......




Whats with mixing tobacco and laherba buena?

I'm actually smoking a spliff right now. Picked it up when I was living Brussels. You can keep smoke all day and be able to operate heavy machinery.
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11/1/2007  7:25 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Nalod:

deal with adversity?



After a loss.......




Whats with mixing tobacco and laherba buena?

I'm actually smoking a spliff right now. Picked it up when I was living Brussels. You can keep smoke all day and be able to operate heavy machinery.

Almost everyone I chilled with last time I was in Europe would twist joints with tobacco mixed in. Apparently, they think it makes the joints burn better. Personally, I can roll joints just fine without the tobacco, but I don't mind mixing it in -- especially when you are rolling crazy big joints like that super-tulip. Big joints like that will canoe more often that regular joints unless you mix some tobacco in.
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