it's worse oohah, it really is: If Isiah had had the moxie, he would have made Portland INCLUDE the second round #53 pick as part of the Randolph package without giving up a future second rounder.

And let's be nit picky here: just cause it happened in the same night don't make it 1 deal. 2 deals.

Posted by oohah:

it's worse oohah, it really is: If Isiah had had the moxie, he would have made Portland INCLUDE the second round #53 pick as part of the Randolph package without giving up a future second rounder.

And let's be nit picky here: just cause it happened in the same night don't make it 1 deal. 2 deals.

Again, I am not certain that it was 2 separate deals: http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/isiah_thomas.htm

And I am not sure that the Blazers would have gone through with the deal you proposed. That "moxie" might have queered the deal.

Something tells me that Nichols was part of the Randolph deal any way it went down. It stands to reason.

oohah

[Edited by - oohah on 29-10-2007 10:01 PM]

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

look at my post last week. I predicted this... good, I hope he kicks the shyt out of the knicks on friday, right in front of dolan and Isiahs face.. really, I am going to be rooting for this kid to drop 30 with 6 threes!!

That's being too kind how about 50? That's what I'm hoping for.

I am dead serious, I hope lebron drives and kicks, and nichols is just hot as hell... I find it funny, over at real gm, all I hear is how this kid was never going to be a star, but during summer league, all the talk was how legit this kids shot was. Now all of a sudden he is a nobody.. LOL.. hey, I may be a knick homer at times, but I am real bro.... This move stinks. People can treat this like we are cutting walker JR, toby bailey or lavar Postel, but nichols was a real, and legit NBA rookie prospect,I mean he is, and we now hand cleveland a gift... wow......

According to the article that Trueblue posted, apparently it was intentional and the front office doesn't care, even if they knew it was a gift. Go read the article. It's a very interesting read.

Posted by martin:

Posted by oohah:

Posted by martin:

Posted by oohah:

The Frye/Francis for Randolph and extras trade had nothing to do with DNic.

2 completely different trades, so yes, this was a completed wasted transaction.

Martin, it was one deal: http://www.nba.com/transactions/jun2007_transactions.html

"New York acquires Zach Randolph, Fred Jones, Dan Dickau and the draft rights to Demetris Nichols from Portland in exchange for Steve Francis, Channing Frye and a 2008 second-round draft pick."

oohah

Nope, 2 separate transactions that happened on the same night. The above is just a run on sentence. For real.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/transactions?team=nyk

Well my source is the NBA so I think it may be a little more official. Regardless, even if it happened in two short bursts, it was all one night, so that strikes me as one deal, package, etc.

oohah

it's worse oohah, it really is: If Isiah had had the moxie, he would have made Portland INCLUDE the second round #53 pick as part of the Randolph package without giving up a future second rounder.

And let's be nit picky here: just cause it happened in the same night don't make it 1 deal. 2 deals.

I think your probably right. It just seems like one deal.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by CDB:

People please stop overreacting on this player.

He is a one dimensional shooter.

There is nothing else to his game besides his shot.

You are making it out to look like he is Ray Allen, calm the hell down.

Choose:

Fred or Nichols?

Posted by franco12:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by CDB:

People please stop overreacting on this player.

He is a one dimensional shooter.

There is nothing else to his game besides his shot.

You are making it out to look like he is Ray Allen, calm the hell down.

Choose:

Fred or Nichols?

no one is saying Nichols is Ray Allen.

The undeniable truth is this team's greatest needs include outside shooting and height in the back court.

I'm tired of watching our midget back court of Marbury and Nate- I'm tired of watching string bean crawford pushed around and go 4 for 22.

I'm dreading watching Freddy Jones try to guard bigger players who will just shoot and pass over him.

Posted by BigC:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by BigC:

So not only will Dnic be helping the Cavs out on the court with his outside shooting but he will also be giving the Cavs new plays and a real scouting report about our team.

His real value is his outside shot replaces Sasha Pavlovic's dirt cheap. So, instead of overpaying for him, they can wait and use that money on a player when the opportunity presents itself.

Whereas we showcased him to the entire league and gave up a second round pick in the process.

(Yes, this is the same point in my initial post... but I think all the "****" detracted from my overall message)

Good point SC. As usual.

Isiah just made this kid look like a star. Especially when no team was even thinking about Dnic. Everyone knows that Isiah may be bad in signing players but drafting is a whole different story. Especially after Mardy and Balkman turned out to be good players. I would not be surprised if Dnic makes the rotation of the Cavs around the allstar break.

Thanks man. I retired from RealGM. It sucks. I'll be here though, and I hope you keep posting there because beside you, StutterStep, Bill Bradley, kosmo and the mods, there isn't much reason to stick around (and others, like BnO, dj, Vinny, TrueBlue, etc. who post here). Here, though, you got all the great who were in RealGM or got kicked out. Better convo and I don;t waste as much time.

Anyway, DNic is going to be a STUD in Cleveland. I don't know why the pretend like LBJ is a SF. I know he's built like one, but he's a point guard who can play every position like Magic. DNic is going to get a lot of open threes by mid season. i won't draft him in fantasy hoops, but I'll pick him up in January when he's raining threes, as you basically said.