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islesfan
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10/16/2007  12:08 PM
Fred Jones isn't anywhere near the player Kobe Bryant is.

Did you understand that?

Indeed

I can't believe this guy is still trying to compare Willis Reed to Zach Randolph. And then when people call him on it, he says he isn't. Then he throws up more nonsensical tripe that isn't germane to the discussion before he goes right back to doing what he denies doing.

Oh wait, I do believe it. This is what misterearl always does.

Sheesh
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10/16/2007  12:12 PM
Posted by misterearl:
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by misterearl:

Randolph is not in Reed's class as a defender, but he is no slouch.

i thought the problem with ZR is that he *is* a slouch on defense. that he only puts out effort on offense. at least that's his rep.


"At least that's his rep"

Now, we're getting somewhere Masterplan. Willis Reed's "rep" was such that he was only worth a second round pick (number 10) because he hailed from an unknown school from an unknown conference.

Where does Zach's "rep" as a poor defender originate?

from his performance for six years in the NBA.

but you're right, we are getting somewhere. now you're comparing zach as an NBA vet to the collegiate willis reed. it's still a bad comparison though.
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10/16/2007  12:14 PM
Blueseats - - don't forget the divine timing as Bill Bradley returned from Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar just as Cazzie was coming out of Michigan

The NIT was held in The Garden just as Clyde decided to have a breakout game on Broadway.
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10/16/2007  12:16 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Fred Jones isn't anywhere near the player Kobe Bryant is.

Did you understand that?

Indeed

I can't believe this guy is still trying to compare Willis Reed to Zach Randolph. And then when people call him on it, he says he isn't. Then he throws up more nonsensical tripe that isn't germane to the discussion before he goes right back to doing what he denies doing.

Oh wait, I do believe it. This is what misterearl always does.

Sheesh


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10/16/2007  12:18 PM
Masterplan - the comparison was only offered on the obscure (incorrect) "reputation" of Grambling and the SWAC and Zach's reputation as a defender

I'll try to be clearer
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10/16/2007  12:30 PM
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Islesfan - don't blame me for the measly 10 replies to your forgettable "Is Isiah scumbagging Nichols?" thread.

It ain't my fault.

Kindly refrain from scumbagging me before I report you to the authorities
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10/16/2007  12:54 PM
Posted by misterearl:
[nonsensical tripe that isn't germane to the discussion]
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Islesfan - don't blame me for the measly 10 replies to your forgettable "Is Isiah scumbagging Nichols?" thread.

It ain't my fault.

Kindly refrain from scumbagging me before I report you to the authorities
[/nonsensical tripe that isn't germane to the discussion]
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10/16/2007  1:06 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Blueseats - - don't forget the divine timing as Bill Bradley returned from Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar just as Cazzie was coming out of Michigan

The NIT was held in The Garden just as Clyde decided to have a breakout game on Broadway.


Indeed. It took a lot of new blood, a change of approach, and a change of leadership at the top to put any semblance of substance behind the words.

But I don't think you have much regard for substance when words will suffice.

Substance? Substance? We talking 'bout substance?
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10/16/2007  1:19 PM
Substance?

Blueseats - you bring great perspective on how the Knicks were built (over a painful period of losing years) into perhaps the most beautiful basketball jazz combo this side of the old Boston Gardens. The substance of that roster was a confluence of both good scouting, good luck and amaziing timing.

We should give thanks to the basketball gods to witness such sweet music twice in our lifetimes. Let alone in the next three years or so.

Have I mentioned the campaign slogan today?

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10/16/2007  2:54 PM
Posted by Marv:

reed was a nasty defender. he laid some major wood on people in the lane. he busted his ass defending the paint and was a great help defender. he played in the classic era of centers too, up against the chamberlains, jabbars, unselds, cowenses, etc.

he once chased the entire lakers team off their bench,. I mean literally the entire team. You never saw an whole team so afraid on one person in your life. You guys must remember that, nalod, earl, papa, ira?

I didn't see that game, but I remember hearing about it.
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10/16/2007  3:16 PM
This thread has some great gems. Mista, you were at your best hear.

I don't recall the Laker chase, and can't imagine Wilt running from Reed but You say I believe it. I saw in person Reed post up Neal Walk, who btw was the second player taken after Alcinder by PHX and was a large man in his own right, Reed did not like the crowding he was doing and put the ball above his heat (IT was an elbow thing!) and turn into Neal and knock the hairy beast out!

Clyde was the QB of the team but willis was the captain and the heart and soul of the team. He was the "Big Guy", and when he got mean he could exact the kind of punishment that a team can rally behind.

Willis stats were kept down as his knees hurt him. Willis was ROY as a forward and could fly. Willis was not a fat man at all like some think. Willis had that charles oak kind of streak in him but had the offense to carry the team.

In no certain terms other than perhaps the physical style or stats should anyone even dream of comparing Willis and Zach. Willis was the captain of a twice winning team that went to the finals 3 times in 4 years and was the leader of what is one of the top 5 teams of all times and considered the benchmark of team style ball! Also considered one of the smartest teams of alltimes! Zach has no such qualities on his resume.

Zach was a JailBlazer. Stats are one thing, but winning is another!
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10/16/2007  5:27 PM
Willis was a very good passer. He had a good sense of where his teammates were before he got the ball. When the ball came to him, he either passed it quickly or immediately went into his move. He rarely held the ball.
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10/16/2007  6:32 PM
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Nalod - Willis was all heart but the soul of the vintage Knicks was DeBusschere. Anyone who watched him battle the premiere power forwards back in the day - Gus Johnson, Lucious Jackson, Don Nelson/Satch Sanders, in particular - watched how Dave set the tone for defensive intensity. The amazing thing was that with all the body banging that was allowed, they never came to blows.

Nalod - I don;t recall anyone writing, or implying, that Willis was fat. Just that he would never be confused with the body-builder types - primarily because pumping iron (and 'roids) were not the rage as they are today.

All natural

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10/16/2007  6:37 PM
Nalod - gracias. This thread was conceived to inspire creative basketball thought and opinion.

Glad you are along for the ride.

Damn, I miss they way those Knicks shared the ball. Outside of the lightning-in-a bottle run of '99 - and a few select Ewing years - things haven't been quite the same in The Garden since 1973.

How does one explain the sheer beauty and teamwork to posters who missed out on the 1968-1973 era?

Somehow, the brief clips just don't get it

[Edited by - misterearl on 10-16-2007 6:38 PM]
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10/16/2007  6:43 PM
I see a lot of Larry Bird in David Lee
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10/16/2007  7:04 PM
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Bonn - I see Lee much closer to Billy Cunningham than Bird and that's not a bad thing. Lee's athleticism resembles The Kanagroo Kid to a greater extent than Bird. Cunningham was also a grinder who made the most of his skill-set. Cunnigham's role on the champion 76ers was critical as he anchored the second unit and split time with the starters in crunch time.

Not unlike the role Lee can play with the 2007-08 Knicks.

but that's just me

[Edited by - misterearl on 10-16-2007 7:10 PM]
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10/16/2007  7:11 PM
The only thing Lee and Bird have in common is the color of their skin. Please dont compare a role player to one of the top players to ever play the game
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10/16/2007  7:32 PM
I was just joking around with the Bird analogy. It's 7:30PM and I've been working since 8:30AM except for a few UK breaks. Cut me some slack!
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10/16/2007  8:03 PM
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King1, I think you missed the unique intent of the thread to start with. This was never intended as the standard, "Kobe is the next Jordan..." or "Harold Miner is Baby Jordan..." line of one-dimensional comparisons.

The on-court mannerisms, musculature (or lack thereof), height, scoring and rebounding numbers over a 6 year span and left-handed hooks shared by Willis and Zach were just too juicy to just let lay there without inviting another look.

You had to be there.
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10/16/2007  8:25 PM
I have a lack of muscle too. Does that mean I'm the next Willis Reed?
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