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10/8/2007  12:07 PM
I would give Dave Checketts another run with MSG.
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10/8/2007  12:10 PM
newyorkknewyork - with all due respect - read my lips, it's not about ownership

it's about the executives at the highest levels of decision-making

sheesh
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10/8/2007  12:14 PM
Posted by misterearl:

TMS - you don't think there is too much confusion with the dual responsibilities you propose?

C'mon dude, this a chance to finally get it right!

Look at the 5 slots carefully and go back again. You get a free do-over.

i'd be shocked if you even knew what Hank Ratner & Steve Mills' responsibilities & duties were to begin with cuz i sure as hell don't, & don't give 2 craps to find out about either... i'm only concerned about the BASKETBALL related activities of this franchise... hire a buncha empty suits to take care of the rest if you have to.
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10/8/2007  12:17 PM
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - by dialing down to personal bias and the minutia of player transaction you are totally missing the subject of this important discussion.


Now that I've got that bit of houseclaeaning out of the way, here... with no further delay (modest drum roll) or fanfare - is my 20008 Blueprint for Excellence (aka The Answer Man's Jive Five) for Charles Dolan to consider as replacements:

President & CEO, Cablevision; Chairman, MSG and NBA Governor
Ken Chenault - make him an offer he cannot refuse

Vice Chairman, Cablevision; Vice Chairman, MSG and NBA Alternate Governor
Hank J. Ratner - he can stay if he cooperates 100% with the transition

President & COOr, MSG Sports, and NBA Alternate Governor
Len Elmore with the assist from Marv

President, Basketball Operations
Jerry West - I drove past his crib in Memphis and all I could say was, "damn!"

Head Coach - Mark Jackson - I just like his temperment, presence and NYC roots

who's in your five?

I understand you twisted point pretty well - THIS NOT SUPPOUSED TO HAPPENED. And the reason is... too much trouble for old Dolan to get involved.
I see where you heading but we all are dreamers. So you never know...
Actually this thread of youth is nice try to turn people on before the pre-season and bring more live to fading attention to Knicks.
Nice job zo... Worked to perfection


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10/8/2007  12:20 PM
Posted by misterearl:

newyorkknewyork - with all due respect - read my lips, it's not about ownership

it's about the executives at the highest levels of decision-making

sheesh

Give me an owner, predsident, ceo, excutive at the highest levles of decision-making. Who's goals are to win nba championships, rather than just trying to make playoff money.
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10/8/2007  12:22 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Magic - replace Isiah as team pres, GM & coach

I don't trust Magic. I mean, he's not bad, but seriously, what has HE done? Wasn't it Jerry West who did all this stuff for the Lakers in the past and wasn't it Buss that brought in Bynum? No thanks to Magic, plus he shouldn't have to be able to handle coach and pres/gm. We need to qualified and separate people for that.

I don't know HOW MUCH I can trust Magic anyway. He's a big name, but will he bring the big game he had as a player? I don't know about that.

i think we need to restore some respectability to this franchise first & then work from there... Magic's not exactly the best name in terms of coaching choices, but at least the players on this team can identify w/him & they all know & respect him tremendously, much in the same way as they do Isiah, only Magic doesn't come w/all the negative baggage... bringing back Houston & replacing Isiah w/Magic would help get rid of all the negative vibe that's been circulating around this franchise ever since the Van Gundy days... plus Magic's mantra to Steph that got him going last year was to push the ball & play uptempo... after he lectured him on that, Marbury enjoyed the best stretch of games in his Knicks' career IMO, & this team actually looked like they could go places w/him at the helm... personally i think Marbury's too far gone to ever be a positive presence on this team, but who knows... if you'd rather replace Isiah w/someone who will be guaranteed to want to get Marbury out of town, i'm all for that as well... i'm just trying to figure out some way this current collection of players can enjoy some success THIS season w/out another complete overhaul of the roster
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10/8/2007  12:22 PM
I think there is a good chance that Dolan loses his job and is replaced. You have to think logically here, the Knicks were given to him so he wouldn't hurt cablebvision, which he is now down with this negative publicity and their are angry people out there that may cancel subscriptions, and with the new pending suits, sponsors are likely to follow and it could really snow ball here. This is the best thing that could have happened.
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10/8/2007  12:24 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by freeskier:

i don't get it. do people really expect that james dolan is going to lose control of the knicks? this is charles' son we're talking about. it's pretty unlikely that daddy will take control away. steve mills and other brass might be on their way out. hopefully we can get a new GM; maybe even see a change in culture if charles dolan is really this pissed about the obscenity going on over at MSG. But new ownership? that's not likely.

unless this is a hypothetical discussion on who we wish owned the knicks. how about Mark Zuckerberg after he sells facebook?

Yep, i believe he will take away some control from his son. It's business, not a family affair!

I don't think Jimmy is on his way out- right now- charles dolan is 80! time could be running out!

I can see Charles forcing Mills & some other people out, and installing as a #2 to Jimmy someone who is Charles man.

But I think this is a lot of futile hope.
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10/8/2007  12:24 PM
Posted by Markji:

J Dolan could very well be out. This is a major blight on MSG, and when added to all of the other fiascos, the Board of Directors could ask for his head. It would be very appropriate.

We need a business exec as head of MSG and then basketball people under him. We don't need big names like Magic - as pointed out, what has he done since being a player.?? Big names were the James Dolan route. We need people who can work together and have basketball smarts and integrety.

[Edited by - markji on 10-08-2007 12:09 PM]

still, i think you need more than an article from the Post before assuming any of this is relevant. if cablevision goes private like planned the board of directors doesn't have a leg to stand on and charles is in charge. it's not like jim is going to retire and go on tour with JD and the Straightshooters. that's a pretty major powerstruggle in one of the most powerful familys in the city.
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10/8/2007  12:27 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - by dialing down to personal bias and the minutia of player transaction you are totally missing the subject of this important discussion.


Now that I've got that bit of houseclaeaning out of the way, here... with no further delay (modest drum roll) or fanfare - is my 20008 Blueprint for Excellence (aka The Answer Man's Jive Five) for Charles Dolan to consider as replacements:

President & CEO, Cablevision; Chairman, MSG and NBA Governor
Ken Chenault - make him an offer he cannot refuse

Vice Chairman, Cablevision; Vice Chairman, MSG and NBA Alternate Governor
Hank J. Ratner - he can stay if he cooperates 100% with the transition

President & COOr, MSG Sports, and NBA Alternate Governor
Len Elmore with the assist from Marv

President, Basketball Operations
Jerry West - I drove past his crib in Memphis and all I could say was, "damn!"

Head Coach - Mark Jackson - I just like his temperment, presence and NYC roots

who's in your five?

I understand you twisted point pretty well - THIS NOT SUPPOUSED TO HAPPENED. And the reason is... too much trouble for old Dolan to get involved.
I see where you heading but we all are dreamers. So you never know...
Actually this thread of youth is nice try to turn people on before the pre-season and bring more live to fading attention to Knicks.
Nice job zo... Worked to perfection


can somebody please translate this for me?

I am unable to locate the point arkrud is trying to make

once a knick always a knick
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10/8/2007  12:27 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - by dialing down to personal bias and the minutia of player transaction you are totally missing the subject of this important discussion.


Now that I've got that bit of houseclaeaning out of the way, here... with no further delay (modest drum roll) or fanfare - is my 20008 Blueprint for Excellence (aka The Answer Man's Jive Five) for Charles Dolan to consider as replacements:

President & CEO, Cablevision; Chairman, MSG and NBA Governor
Ken Chenault - make him an offer he cannot refuse

Vice Chairman, Cablevision; Vice Chairman, MSG and NBA Alternate Governor
Hank J. Ratner - he can stay if he cooperates 100% with the transition

President & COOr, MSG Sports, and NBA Alternate Governor
Len Elmore with the assist from Marv

President, Basketball Operations
Jerry West - I drove past his crib in Memphis and all I could say was, "damn!"

Head Coach - Mark Jackson - I just like his temperment, presence and NYC roots

who's in your five?

I understand you twisted point pretty well - THIS NOT SUPPOUSED TO HAPPENED. And the reason is... too much trouble for old Dolan to get involved.
I see where you heading but we all are dreamers. So you never know...
Actually this thread of youth is nice try to turn people on before the pre-season and bring more live to fading attention to Knicks.
Nice job zo... Worked to perfection


can somebody please translate this for me?

I am unable to locate the point arkrud is trying to make

once a knick always a knick
misterearl
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10/8/2007  12:31 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by misterearl:

TMS - you don't think there is too much confusion with the dual responsibilities you propose?

C'mon dude, this a chance to finally get it right!

Look at the 5 slots carefully and go back again. You get a free do-over.

i'd be shocked if you even knew what Hank Ratner & Steve Mills' responsibilities & duties were to begin with cuz i sure as hell don't, & don't give 2 craps to find out about either... i'm only concerned about the BASKETBALL related activities of this franchise... hire a buncha empty suits to take care of the rest if you have to.


TMS - who do you think has the final word on the "basketball related activities" of the franchise?

or do you not care about that as well?
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10/8/2007  12:36 PM
Posted by misterearl:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - by dialing down to personal bias and the minutia of player transaction you are totally missing the subject of this important discussion.


Now that I've got that bit of houseclaeaning out of the way, here... with no further delay (modest drum roll) or fanfare - is my 20008 Blueprint for Excellence (aka The Answer Man's Jive Five) for Charles Dolan to consider as replacements:

President & CEO, Cablevision; Chairman, MSG and NBA Governor
Ken Chenault - make him an offer he cannot refuse

Vice Chairman, Cablevision; Vice Chairman, MSG and NBA Alternate Governor
Hank J. Ratner - he can stay if he cooperates 100% with the transition

President & COOr, MSG Sports, and NBA Alternate Governor
Len Elmore with the assist from Marv

President, Basketball Operations
Jerry West - I drove past his crib in Memphis and all I could say was, "damn!"

Head Coach - Mark Jackson - I just like his temperment, presence and NYC roots

who's in your five?

I understand you twisted point pretty well - THIS NOT SUPPOUSED TO HAPPENED. And the reason is... too much trouble for old Dolan to get involved.
I see where you heading but we all are dreamers. So you never know...
Actually this thread of youth is nice try to turn people on before the pre-season and bring more live to fading attention to Knicks.
Nice job zo... Worked to perfection


can somebody please translate this for me?

I am unable to locate the point arkrud is trying to make

Ha-Ha. This is lovely.
I do this to my wife... when she is reading my mind.
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10/8/2007  1:02 PM
Posted by misterearl:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by misterearl:

TMS - you don't think there is too much confusion with the dual responsibilities you propose?

C'mon dude, this a chance to finally get it right!

Look at the 5 slots carefully and go back again. You get a free do-over.

i'd be shocked if you even knew what Hank Ratner & Steve Mills' responsibilities & duties were to begin with cuz i sure as hell don't, & don't give 2 craps to find out about either... i'm only concerned about the BASKETBALL related activities of this franchise... hire a buncha empty suits to take care of the rest if you have to.


TMS - who do you think has the final word on the "basketball related activities" of the franchise?

or do you not care about that as well?

i believe i already offered u my choice to replace Jim Dolan


[Edited by - TMS on 10-08-2007 1:02 PM]
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10/8/2007  2:39 PM
Where is all the hate coming from? James Dolan is the perfect guy to run MSG for now, and for all time.

Jim Dolan is in the vanguard, establishing new ways of doing business. While other companies cowardly attempt to conform with the law in the treatment of their employees, Jim Dolan boldly says "So sue me. No, seriously, sue me. We've got so much money that we don't care if we win or lose."

Where other companies cravenly kowtow to the Women's libbers and prohibit good old fashioned sexual harassment, Jim Dolan says "Go for it. I don't care. The bitches deserve it."

Other NBA owners foolishly believe that, in order to make a living, they need to provide a good product for their fans. Jim Dolan says: "These idiots will come to the game whoever we put on the floor. Any fans that would watch a team with both Howard Eisley and Clarence Weatherspoon on it will watch anything."

I could go on and on, but I think any reasonable fan would see the point now. Jim Dolan is right for MSG.

As to the question of who should be the GM? Why, Isiah Thomas, of course. Isiah's philosophy is perfectly in line with Jim Dolan's.

Isiah has brought some of the most legendary players to the Knicks. Players like Jerome James, Steve Francis, and Jalen Rose.

And Isiah has established excellent relationships with each of the many coaches that have worked for him for the past three and a half years. And he enjoys a particularly close relationship with the current coach.

Jim Dolan. Isiah Thomas. Right for the Knicks. Right for MSG.
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10/8/2007  2:43 PM
The Band

For a guy who spends 9 to 5 holding the reins of power at two successful businesses, Jim Dolan knows how to kick out the jams.

By night, he is the lead singer and rhythm guitarist for JD & The Straight Shot. By day, Dolan is the chairman of Madison Square Garden and the president and CEO of Cablevision Systems Corporation. The odd marriage of artistic sensibility and business acumen, Dolan says, give him a sense of balance in his life.

“I’m just like thousands of guys who picked up a guitar when they were 15, except that I never put it down,” he says. “Music is one of my earliest passions and has always been a part of my life. One of my biggest thrills came a few years ago when I stepped onstage in front of a paying crowd for the first time. The crowd had no idea who we were, but we won them over. It was such an amazing feeling.”

Always content to play his music for family and friends, Dolan broke out of his shell almost seven years ago and started a band with coworkers. The group played company functions and entertained crowds with covers of classic rock hits. Based on the success of those performances, Dolan brought together his first proper band – The Straight Shot – three years ago. In 2005, JD Records released the quintet’s debut, NOTHING TO HIDE.

Dolan and The Straight Shot – guitarist and chief songwriter, Bruce Koplow; bassist, Sue Williams; drummer, David Longworth and keyboardist, Jonny Rosch – put slow-burning blues jams together with ballads and tight rockers on NOTHING TO HIDE.

Despite some graying, Dolan says his generation – inextricably linked to the music of the ’60s – remains passionate about music and continues to turn out in droves for concerts. “This album is about growing up without growing old, which is what my generation is trying to do right now,” Dolan says. “These are classic rock songs for the classic rock generation.”


Jim "JD" Dolan



Born and raised in New York, JD has been singing and playing guitar for most of his life. Though primarily known for his business career, he has never lost his passion for music. This is his first professional effort. It definitely will not be his last.
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10/8/2007  2:53 PM
Didn't Len Elmore play for the knicks for a hot minute?

dj - "Shake it up baby" indeed.

Can American Idol be that far in JD's future?

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10/8/2007  2:55 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Didn't Len Elmore play for the knicks for a hot minute?

dj - "Shake it up baby" indeed.

Can American Idol be that far in JD's future?

earl - do you think this page6 story has legs?

i'm waiting to see what happens - i'm leaning towards the side of absolutely nothing.
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10/8/2007  3:04 PM
I would understand why people wout question the Post. It is a pretty bad paper. Horrific even. But the story about Dolan loswing power as a result of Charles was also printed in the New York Times and New York Daily News. The papers said that David Stern was having discussions with Daddy Dolan to remove James Loser Dolan from power. If any of this is indeed true and ever takes place, I will celebrate like the Knicks won the championship.
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10/8/2007  4:27 PM
My vote to replace Dolan:
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