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10/4/2007  12:20 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
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Wow. This thread has ballooned quickly! First, I have to say that I find it suspicious that MODI suddenly joins the board today randomly to let us know his thoughts about the article "he" wrote. One might say that this is a little *too* suspicious and someone is presenting their point of view from two SNs in this thread.


You know you are a man of definitive convictions right?
You believe what you say 100% and wouldnt say something of you did not believe was true right?

Well considering you are telling people to believe that I'm indeed Modi and this is my personal website then I say we place a $1000 bet right here and now. We can do it via a paypal escrow account and give permission to Martin/Andrew to prove who is telling the truth you or me.

So is it a bet? After all you wouldnt say something that wasnt true right?

Whatever dude. I said it was suspicious. Don't have a cow. Frankly, I don't care what Martin and Andrew could find, even via an IP check. Most people have access to multiple IPs and everyone has access to multiple emails. There's no amazement here. Not interested in a loaded bet. Either you're him or you're friends, because it seems too random that he signs up just to post on this thread. Furthermore, it seems extremely odd that you and him both have very similar names. Since there's no real way for you to prove it one way or another (other than by telling the truth and me taking your word), I'll simply rely on Ockham's razor.

In other words you will just make false allegations and then stick your head in the sand.

His name is Modi. I never saw him before this morning. We are friends? Just another of your baseless lies. His website is Cosellouts as he said was to praise Howard Cosell. I told him that he probably should have made it about Lupica.
As far as him registering today my guess is since its his website he looked to see where people were visiting his website from and I had posted his link here. I saw his website link on more than one other Knicks website.

Anyway lets forget the opinions and spin. I'm tired of people making baseless lies about me. You made a claim. I'm saying your claim is BS. Lets put money ($1000) where our mouth is and let Martin/Andrew settle it. Dont you believe what you say enough to put your money where your mouth is?
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10/4/2007  12:23 PM
Posted by misterearl:

MODI defined player transactions as a body of work, for their cumulative effect instead of the one-at-a-time approach which you seem bent on repeating.

The cumulative effect is that we're a losing squad until proven otherwise. The cumulative effect is that, until proven otherwise, that Isiah has had net gains worse than even Layden -- just look at our records. There's still time for Isiah to turn this all around, but I'm not holding my breath.

Also, I call total BS on the excuses in this thread. People complaining that we lost H20, when Isiah hand-picked multiple replacements before he went down... how about this, the Layden Knicks lost Antonio McDyess and still won 37 games! How does everyone forget that? Add McDyess, they likely win at least 45.
Posted by misterearl:

The arbitrary individual grades do not help to define the relative merit of any deal as the Knicks roster is a work in progress.

That sounds like an admission that Isiah has lost most of his individual trades, mostly by overpaying or trading for the sake of trading. If you take the trades as a whole, you have to discount most of the draft picks received in trades, since most of his gains with draft picks were merely to counteract all of the good draft picks he traded away!
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10/4/2007  12:23 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Kool Moe-Dee

actually, you have just stimulated some compelling debate. That alone is a very good thing.

What debate? He's just rehashing things that we've been arguing about, and things that most people have finally come to see in their true light, for 3 1/2 years.

MODI is nothing if not unoriginal.
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10/4/2007  12:26 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Anyway lets forget the opinions and spin. I'm tired of people making baseless lies about me. You made a claim. I'm saying your claim is BS. Lets put money ($1000) where our mouth is and let Martin/Andrew settle it. Dont you believe what you say enough to put your money where your mouth is?

Already explained this, I guess you missed it. If I could rely on Andrew and/or Martin to reasonably make this determination, I would talk more about this. However, I don't, for reasons stated above. Any further attempts to bait me into something that you can't logically prove are going to be ignored.
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10/4/2007  12:30 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - the Real GM meeting is down the hall.

MODI defined player transactions as a body of work, for their cumulative effect instead of the one-at-a-time approach which you seem bent on repeating.

The arbitrary individual grades do not help to define the relative merit of any deal as the Knicks roster is a work in progress.

If you really want Othella Harrington back, you can have him.

So far Isiah's body of work as Team President and GM shows a team that hasn't won a playoff game, hasn't made the playoffs with Isiah's players, hasn't broken .500 and has disappointed and embarrassed at every turn. That's one hell of a cumulative effect.

Chances are pretty good that another year will go by without a damn thing changing.

I want those 4 probable lottery picks back and I want all that cap space back. Can I have them?

[Edited by - islesfan on 10-04-2007 12:32 PM]
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10/4/2007  12:30 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Anyway lets forget the opinions and spin. I'm tired of people making baseless lies about me. You made a claim. I'm saying your claim is BS. Lets put money ($1000) where our mouth is and let Martin/Andrew settle it. Dont you believe what you say enough to put your money where your mouth is?

Already explained this, I guess you missed it. If I could rely on Andrew and/or Martin to reasonably make this determination, I would talk more about this. However, I don't, for reasons stated above. Any further attempts to bait me into something that you can't logically prove are going to be ignored.

I wasnt trying to bait you in to anything.
I simply explained that I'm tired of people making baseless lies about me.
I offered you a chance to make some money based on your FALSE claims about me
I'm 100% willing to let Martin/Andrew prove that you are or are not telling the truth after a monetary bet is agreed upon.
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10/4/2007  12:35 PM
Posted by martin:

Frankly, I think MODI got to our site by a URL link referer when SUCKS posted the original.

It's a possiblity, but unlikely that he'd travel here just to post on one thread, make no other contributions, and arrive so quickly. If we're assuming this is someone incredibly anal who checks his logs every few hours, I guess. Either way, I merely said it was suspicious. I never said I was sure. Nor do I even care.

I just want the Isiah lovers to just take a moment, think things over, gain a little perspective. To tell me to my face that the media is biased against Isiah (and further sometimes imply that the media is racist -- yes this has been a occurrence on boards I have read), and then further tell me that Isiah has been a savior to the Knicks and he's done so many great things, is just insulting to my intelligence. The truth is that the team is in a sorry state and now we're relying on a creampuff, a rapist and Internbury to lead our team. It's garbage. The Knicks are a terrible product right now. I can deal with them being a bad product; I just don't like when people lie to my face about it.
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10/4/2007  12:51 PM
Posted by MODI:

--Close-minded people annoy me.

-- People who want a collection of Michael Doleacs to become Michael Jordans overnight annoy me even more

For all the isiah haters I issue the following challenge: go into NBA history and find me a GM with a similarly bad roster who truned their team around in less than 5 years. Don't hate, do some homework.
I have done this countless time. Denver, Washing, Chi, Golden State, Boston, Lakers, Pho, NJ, any team thats traded Stephon Marbury...

Time and time again its proven you can turn around a team fairly quickly in the NBA. You do two things; stockpile high draft picks and keep away from long term contracts. Then in 2-3 years you have some young high ceiling talent along with a flexible roster.

Isiah has drafted low first round players and taken on huge contracts. So you have a roster of guys nobody else in the league wants and drafted players that dont have a high enough ceiling to take jobs from the guys making $15mm a year.

But listen to logic or follow a model that has worked for every winning team in the NBA, when you can do it your own way. After all... who can argue with the results?

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10/4/2007  12:56 PM
If you're proud of this team you'll think Isiah did a good job, if you're not you wont.

It ain't that deep and it ain't misterearl's money.
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10/4/2007  1:10 PM

M.O.D.I.

M.arbury's

O.rganization

D.efending

I.siah

Its a radical front to quickly help Marbury keep his patron saint "Isiah" from being outcast and if a New president-Coach were to come in they might find the Marbury and nate are Daffy and Bugs!
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10/4/2007  1:12 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - the Real GM meeting is down the hall.

MODI defined player transactions as a body of work, for their cumulative effect instead of the one-at-a-time approach which you seem bent on repeating.

The arbitrary individual grades do not help to define the relative merit of any deal as the Knicks roster is a work in progress.

If you really want Othella Harrington back, you can have him.

So far Isiah's body of work as Team President and GM shows a team that hasn't won a playoff game, hasn't made the playoffs with Isiah's players, hasn't broken .500 and has disappointed and embarrassed at every turn. That's one hell of a cumulative effect.

Chances are pretty good that another year will go by without a damn thing changing.

I want those 4 probable lottery picks back and I want all that cap space back. Can I have them?
[Edited by - islesfan on 10-04-2007 12:32 PM]


Exactly the point. Modi Cossucks, you guys want to conveniently translate players into other players by discarding the parts of the trades that don't promote your views. If you want to look at the whole picture, look at the draft picks traded away #2, #9, and the straightjacket he has put us in with the salary cap. Is he a good drafter, I'd likely say yes. But he still completely busted with the single lottery pick that he didn't give away. Frye was a bust. Add it all up, as you want to do = collection of overpaid longterm contracts + role player level youth.
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10/4/2007  1:14 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - the Real GM meeting is down the hall.

MODI defined player transactions as a body of work, for their cumulative effect instead of the one-at-a-time approach which you seem bent on repeating.

The arbitrary individual grades do not help to define the relative merit of any deal as the Knicks roster is a work in progress.

If you really want Othella Harrington back, you can have him.

So far Isiah's body of work as Team President and GM shows a team that hasn't won a playoff game, hasn't made the playoffs with Isiah's players, hasn't broken .500 and has disappointed and embarrassed at every turn. That's one hell of a cumulative effect.

Chances are pretty good that another year will go by without a damn thing changing.

I want those 4 probable lottery picks back and I want all that cap space back. Can I have them?
[Edited by - islesfan on 10-04-2007 12:32 PM]


Exactly the point. Modi Cossucks, you guys want to conveniently translate players into other players by discarding the parts of the trades that don't promote your views. If you want to look at the whole picture, look at the draft picks traded away #2, #9, and the straightjacket he has put us in with the salary cap. Is he a good drafter, I'd likely say yes. But he still completely busted with the single lottery pick that he didn't give away. Frye was a bust. Add it all up, as you want to do = collection of overpaid longterm contracts + role player level youth.

Where exactly did I say any of this?
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You are promoting a point of view from a site that says:
1) Keith Van Horn becomes David Lee and Mardy Collins (via draft picks obtained in interim Nazi Mohammed trade)
2) Dikembe Mutombo, O. Harrington, & F. Williams become Jamaal Crawford
3) Kurt Thomas becomes Quentin Richardson & Nate Robinson (via draft pick)
4) Antonio Davis becomes Renaldo Balkman (via draft pick acquired with Jalen Rose)
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10/4/2007  1:19 PM
Posted by Panos:

You are promoting a point of view from a site that says:
1) Keith Van Horn becomes David Lee and Mardy Collins (via draft picks obtained in interim Nazi Mohammed trade)
2) Dikembe Mutombo, O. Harrington, & F. Williams become Jamaal Crawford
3) Kurt Thomas becomes Quentin Richardson & Nate Robinson (via draft pick)
4) Antonio Davis becomes Renaldo Balkman (via draft pick acquired with Jalen Rose)

So posting a link to a website means I agree with 100% of what that website says?

Thats pretty enlightened of you. :)
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10/4/2007  1:20 PM
Actually those 4 trades I do agree with. I should have read your post closer. I do not like the Marbury/Penny trade nor the Steve Francis/Ariza trade.
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10/4/2007  1:22 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Actually those 4 trades I do agree with. I should have read your post closer. I do not like the Marbury/Penny trade nor the Steve Francis/Ariza trade.

And as for the other 5 or so trades that Isiah has made?
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10/4/2007  1:22 PM
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I find it funny that half of the people on this site, told me not to take it personal when it came to the Annucha brown verdict. They said the 11.6 mil was not my money...

Yet, guys scream that we had to pay to get guys who actually play for the team, and won't the knicks for sexual harrasment... Geez.. talk about hypocrites...


I find it funny that a ton of Knick fans wanted Anooka not to get a dime and deserved a firing for fibbing on her taxes, not hanging the correct murals at MSG, and requesting too many times for players to participate in fan/team functions but want I SAY UGH and Marbury to continue leading this team producing losing season after losing season while catching cases.


talk about hypocrites


Just so I understand you correctly please specify more clearly what you mean by your second statement that's bolded

it is easy to understand. guys like yourself complain about the salary cap and the money donlan spends for players who actually are giving the team a service Ie: playing, and most likely will never sue for sexual harrasment.Correction contributing to losing, allowing assets given away to other teams to increase in value, decreasing their own value by not giving their best effort when playing, milking injuries on the bench.

yet when annucha sues and gets a gift of 11.6 million dollars, you say don't worry, it is not your money...Correction I never really said this I said don't get so emotionally wrapped up because her dollar reward is no more relevant than other mismanagement rewards given to ex coahces and players

so I guess it is fine to complain about spending money when it comes to players, but not frivilous lawsuits?

And really your post made no sense, annucha just didn't fib on her taxes, she knowingly and repeatedly commited tax fraud and worst of all involved the company she worked for, that is a crime... And her putting up wrong posters with players that are no longer on the team is the equivalent of Isiah trying to trade players that are not on the knicks. that is just incompetent.... Your post made no sense... sorry bro...


When players of the company don't give their best effort, cause revolts in season, play for personal goals(selfishly) only instead of team goals etc etc is equivalent to an employee of the same company lying, stealing, cheating, etc etc on their taxes. Here's the kicker what Anooka did doesn't impact the ability of the team(product on the floor) to improve but players who contribute to a losing culture instead of a winning one do or GM's/President who make ridiculous trades and coddle such losers do.

I'm primarily concerned with things that hinder the W's and the team becoming Elite. Not behind the scene stuff dealing with matters of who burnt the Thomas Popcorn to the point it can't be served at The Garden.
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10/4/2007  1:25 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Actually those 4 trades I do agree with. I should have read your post closer. I do not like the Marbury/Penny trade nor the Steve Francis/Ariza trade.

And as for the other 5 or so trades that Isiah has made?

Post the specific trades and I will tell you what I think of them. I keep in mind most trades involve risk. Not all work. In a good trade usually you have to give up something to get something.
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10/4/2007  1:25 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Actually those 4 trades I do agree with. I should have read your post closer. I do not like the Marbury/Penny trade nor the Steve Francis/Ariza trade.

And as for the other 5 or so trades that Isiah has made?

Post the specific trades and I will tell you what I think of them. I keep in mind most trades involve risk. Not all work. In a good trade usually you have to give up something to get something.

Read my earlier post. I listed 11 of them.
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Question to all who's the bigger thief...

Jerome James or ABS?
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