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Isiah Thomas Found Guilty Of Harassment
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islesfan
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10/2/2007  2:13 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

espn radio is saying she got $11.6 mil.

"The jury, which decided MSG had committed harassment against Browne Sanders, found that the Garden owes $6 million for allowing a hostile work environment to exist and $2.6 million for retaliation. MSG chairman James Dolan owes $3 million."

That's awesome. Dolan is on the hook for $3M personally thanks to Isiah. That can't make him happy.

And now with this verdict on the books, the future sexual harassment lawsuits will be impossible to defend. All thanks to Isiah.
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10/2/2007  2:13 PM
Posted by islesfan:

COSSUCKS is gonna freak out at that award.

Not as bad as TKF.
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10/2/2007  2:14 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

And no, I don't buy the notion that one reason this team is in such poor shape because of how Isiah (mis)treated an employee. We all went round and round on the reasons for that long before the trial and no one brought up the MSG president of Media Relations.

Because I like you I will presume your cerebral myopia to be a debating tactic and not a metal deficiency. The lack of wins are not directly related to his mistreatment of Anusha. But they suely may be related to his poor people managing skills that include not just this woman, but also other executives, players, coaches, etc. Please don't tel me you don't think the "frat house," mentality and select indulgences haven't permeated the coaching ranks, the lockeroom, and the conduct on and off the court.

Anucha isn't the problem; she's but one symptom of the problem.
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10/2/2007  2:15 PM
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so we give it 1 more year & then it's OK to be down on this management in your eyes?

I think its OK to be down on management when we no longer see progress. I saw progress last year and if the team doesn't build on that they need to bring in someone who can, that simple.

I think a lot of people here have been down on Isiah from the start because he didn't break down the team and rebuild. I don't think that was ever an option for him. Start from there, and try to move this team forward. Thats the best anyone could have done.

i've been supportive of plenty of Isiah's roster moves in the past, but there comes a time when those roster moves need to mesh & net some tangible results in the form of W's... we've been doing this for over 4 years now expecting to see some real progress & improvement in this team, & so far we've won 39 games or less in each of those years, including an alltime franchise worst season just 2 seasons ago... you say that he wasn't in the position to completely tear down & rebuild again... under Dolan's mandate to make the playoffs at all costs, you may be right, but if that's the case then he's failed miserably at it for the past 3 years... personally as i've said many times in the past, most Knick fans are more than willing to be patient through a complete overhaul of the team as long as they see there's a tangible plan in place to build towards a championship & it's not just the same old "throwing stuff on the wall to see if it sticks" modus of operandi that Isiah has undertaken ever since he got here.

you think that no other GM could have done a better job than he did under the circumstances with all the money, trades & draft picks that were used to get us to this point? i have to disagree with that, but that's a subjective opinion on both our parts. personally i'm sick of all the rhetoric, all the empty promises, all the excuses & especially all of the extra curricular nonsense that's been going on around this franchise for the past several years... i wanna see some damn wins... KNICK wins (thanks fish).
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10/2/2007  2:15 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:

espn radio is saying she got $11.6 mil.

"The jury, which decided MSG had committed harassment against Browne Sanders, found that the Garden owes $6 million for allowing a hostile work environment to exist and $2.6 million for retaliation. MSG chairman James Dolan owes $3 million."

That's awesome. Dolan is on the hook for $3M personally thanks to Isiah. That can't make him happy.

And now with this verdict on the books, the future sexual harassment lawsuits will be impossible to defend. All thanks to Isiah.

Those who are partitioned in the "Oreo Cookie" department are licking their chops.
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10/2/2007  2:18 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by tkf:
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If the jury wants to be fair and just, then anything awareded to her over 1 million would be criminal on their behalf...... With the evidence I heard in this case, I really don't see how they even came to that conclusion.. but whatever...


tkf, the jury wont simply be awarding her for the pain of hearing the words "bitch" and "ho", that's worth about 50 cent (no pun intended). They'll be awarding her for the loss of income and the setback to her career for being, in their eyes, wrongfully terminated. before isiah came along she was considered a fast-track executive with a very high ceiling, but that ceiling came crashing down when Isiah declared himself the new sheriff in town and played shoot 'em up with everyone in his path.

I agree to some extent, but the testimony of here incompetence had to come into play and Isiah had nothing to do with that. This was a sneaky, overzealous, ambitious woman who ran into someone with the same traits but much more power, and was willing to make sure she understood that. could this have been handled better? of course and that should have been done by mills, that other incomopetent boob. But there is no doubt in my mind that she started falling off in her duties, she used MSG expenses as part of a tax fraud scam, something she never denied or had an answer for. dolan jumped the gun firing her, but she was deserving of being fired just for that action alone. I don't care about here fast track, she derailed that herself, and Honestly two years salary is the most she should get!

If she was so incompetent, how come the bonuses and raises? Sure, she was ambitious and probably bull-headed, nothing wrong with that.

Why is there no doubt in your mind that she started falling off in her duties, and what does the tax thing have to do with her duties at MSG?


martin, I think the bonuse and raise thing was put to rest, from what I read, those were given well before she started making criticle mistakes in her duties, especially when she took on a bigger role.

and what does the tax thing have to do with her duties at MSG?

what? so let me ask you, what does dog fighting have to do with vicks work on the field for the falcons?

It is a matter of character and judgment, she displayed poor judgement and questionable character when she tried to defraud the government using MSG's expenditures. that is fraudulent and against the law and most of all, I am sure that violated some company policy in some way. It has a lot to do with her duties at MSG since as an executive she is relied upon to make judgment decisions and so far including that fiasco her judgment can be called into question..
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10/2/2007  2:19 PM
Well an all white jury showed that they are more foolish than the jury that originally gave a lady 2.9 million over hot coffee. A judge later reduced that to $480,000 and hopefully on appeal a judge with some sense will do the same.

This award was not about justice.
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10/2/2007  2:20 PM
I SAY UGH'S Daughter

Now alright I'll leave the cursing alone but would like to know who's truck is she getting in here on this msg board?

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10/2/2007  2:22 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Well an all white jury showed that they are more foolish than the jury that originally gave a lady 2.9 million over hot coffee. A judge later reduced that to $480,000 and hopefully on appeal a judge with some sense will do the same.

This award was not about justice.


Are you insinuating an all white jury was racially motivated to stick it to a white owner for harassing a black woman? That's certainly a new twist for these boards. What are the implications of that?


[Edited by - blueseats on 10-02-2007 2:23 PM]
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10/2/2007  2:23 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:

If the jury wants to be fair and just, then anything awareded to her over 1 million would be criminal on their behalf...... With the evidence I heard in this case, I really don't see how they even came to that conclusion.. but whatever...

TKF why you discussing the dollars because it don't make cents?


All of this could and should have been avoided. It's like cause and effect. Your disdain should be directed at the suits not Anooka. We live a sue happy greedy society therefore in situations like these it's best to weigh the advantages vs the disadvantages. Some things were embellished on both sides but nonetheless the trial exposed things that the devoted fan didn't need to know nor should they had to. And just as much you expect the jury to decide a certain way, what about this management group holding a press conference to apologize to the fans and all their employees for having an unsuitable work environment and displaying a poor product at MSG the past several yrs? Now that would be just. Your arguing over the semantics of the trial is trivial at best.

Well it wasn't avoided, and since it was taken to the judicial system, I do expect some just and fair penalty in this ass backwards case. call it trivial at best, but this is what we are left with since they did decide to go to trial, I am dealing in what actually happens, now what should have been avoided, that is a moot point since they went to trial, and it is now over....
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10/2/2007  2:24 PM
from what I just heard 11.6 mil..

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!
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10/2/2007  2:25 PM
Posted by tkf:

from what I just heard 11.6 mil..

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!

Why so emotional?



They decided not to settle

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!
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10/2/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by tkf:

from what I just heard 11.6 mil..

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!


I know, that's money that could have been wasted on two MLE signings and subsequent buyouts.
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10/2/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by tkf:

from what I just heard 11.6 mil..

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!

You sound like you're on the hook for some of that money.

No reason to take it that personally.
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10/2/2007  2:27 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:

from what I just heard 11.6 mil..

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!

Why so emotional?



They decided not to settle

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!


why emotional? have you ever been sued for something you feel 100% you did not do?

why settle if you feel you are right?

I think it is ridiculous to think someone should settle just because they have money....
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10/2/2007  2:28 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

You going to tell me that even 1/16th of this board which is now oh so concerned about Anucha Browne Sanders' well-being would give two flicks about her if the Knicks were a 50 win team?

talk to us when this is a 50 win team... you'd be right, none of us would give 2 craps... but when we have a 30-something win team on our hands for the past several years, things like this tend to irk some fans, & it's completely understandable.

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10/2/2007  2:29 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by tkf:

from what I just heard 11.6 mil..

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!


I know, that's money that could have been wasted on two MLE signings and subsequent buyouts.

NO, but it just shakes my faith in the system. this case had gold digging written all over it from the start. If any of you guys ever get to own a billion dollar company I would really hate to see anyone of you become prey to shyt like this....
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10/2/2007  2:30 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:

from what I just heard 11.6 mil..

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!

Why so emotional?



They decided not to settle

what bullshyt!!!!!!!!!


why emotional? have you ever been sued for something you feel 100% you did not do?

why settle if you feel you are right?

I think it is ridiculous to think someone should settle just because they have money....

he could feel he was right - nothing wrong with that. but to let this go to trial...well that's just retarded. just another example of a bad decision by jim dolan. one of these days, it's gonna go right...all we have to hope for is an nba strike, a complete restructuring of the CBA and a reset of contracts.
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10/2/2007  2:31 PM
tkf, suggest what you would think was a fair number. I'm interested in what criteria you are using as well.
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10/2/2007  2:31 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
But they suely may be related to his poor people managing skills that include not just this woman, but also other executives, players, coaches, etc. Please don't tel me you don't think the "frat house," mentality and select indulgences haven't permeated the coaching ranks, the lockeroom, and the conduct on and off the court.

You have examples of how they have?

Best I can think of the coach who had the most trouble dealing with the players was no fan of Isiah or his mentality. Didn’t translate to more wins.

Simply, Blueseats, I don’t think a “frat house” mentality (in this case I assume you mean a lack of discipline or sense of purpose) is a problem the Knicks have. I think they showed as much discipline and purpose on the court as one can expect from a relatively young team without, as of yet, a well established system to play under. From where I sit (the same place you are sitting I presume) I don’t see any problems with the way Isiah relates to his players or his coaching staff.

I think the effect of the off-court issues are greatly exaggerated by the losing. We can point to just about anything including the price of popcorn at MSG as a symptom of the losing environment at MSG…until, that is, they start winning.

When Ewing was here how much more professional was the organization then? Oh right…

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/07/23/gold.club.trial/index.html

But that was all Isiah’s fault.


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