Posted by nixluva:
Posted by martin:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by islesfan:
Using nixluva's definition for being a "better player", the CBA is filled with players who are better than Ariza.
nixluva, is Chandler a better player than Balkman, right now? And please explain why you do or don't believe that to be the case.
Obviously by the very nature of the fact that we're talking about a guy who hasn't played a game yet, we have to talk in terms of what we "believe" the players level of ability is. Just like Oden or Durant or any other player in this draft. Still people make assessments like this all the time.
Maybe the CBA is filled with guys who are better than Ariza, I don't know for sure. I doubt it tho. It's my opinion that Chan is a better overall player.
Balkman is not a better player skills wise, but he's got an unreal energy level and intangible effect on the game. It's impossible to judge intangibles completely without games played. I think Chan would be an effective player in our offense whereas Balk isn't a good enough shooter to fulfill that role. Balk does a lot of the garbage type work and I think Chan would be less impactful in those same areas. Balk tho is IMO better than Ariza. I think Balk is more productive and I think right now he's better at what he does than Chan is at what he does and his impact would be felt more. So i'd put Balk ahead of Chan and Ariza IMO.
why don't you just say it this way then: It's my opinion that Chan is GONNA BE a better overall player.
Let me put it this way. "Right Now" isn't about some esoteric moment of time, it's ALWAYS based on a season as a reference point. Since Chan doesn't have any NBA seasons played, we'd have to use this one to make any determination. Which is the whole entire point.
The only way to prove that is over time. I can't prove it any other way. So I can only offer my OPINION that he's a better player. Of course as it is, we may not be able to settle this due to a lack of opportunity for Chan. My point is if you don't use this season to determine who is better right now, then how do you determine it? If you say that LeBron is a better player than Melo "right now", you're basing it off of the last SEASON.
To be honest I seriously believe you didn't read what Earl originally stated... correctly, and ran with it. If you'd have taken the time to read his statement there's no way you'd come to this point. Which is what we were trying to tell you earlier in this thread. Just to show, you skip over the main points to drive your opinion hard hoping it miraculously turns into a fact here's what I said on the last page which isn't too different than what you stated above bolded....
Officially the answer is Who knows they haven't played a game this yr. Technically you'd have to say Ariza is better due to the fact he has more NBA experience and has played more games including many as a starter.Discernment may have more room in your argument if someone said
Ariza is already better than Chandler but no one really said that. A few of us argued why we feel Ariza may have the edge but no one made the direct statement. Earl's statement
Wilson Chandler is already better than Trevor Ariza, who no one heard of is unsubstantiated, dubious, uncertain, unconfirmed etc etc(based on nothing at all but opinion just like yours) in it's original form... In which your opinion doesn't count no matter how much you beg and plead. Nix you're stubborn, very unreasonable, and you have a hard time being humble admitting you're wrong. Many of us have been on this board especially myself. I've literally had to apologize, delete several messages and threads to spare myself the embarrassment. Admit you're wrong and move on.
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 09-25-2007 4:48 PM]
