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9/19/2007  11:40 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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LMAO @ some of you leaving Washington out. They were a top 4 team before the injuries started. They're not missing the playoffs.

Miami is not dropping out of the top 8 either.

Unfortunately NY will be in a dogfight for 9th or 10th with Orlando, Philly, Charlotte, Indiana, and Milwaukee.

Great point I wonder if Nix will give them this consideration since he always makes the excuse for the Knicks. He forgets all about Miami and then proceeds to bump Washington totally out of the mix once it was brought to his attention. I guess Washington injuries aren't as significant when factoring this season's success(sigh). The only reason I have them as a bubble team because they are a very poor defensive team. I strongly feel the teams that come out of the east this season will be the strongest defensive teams.

I originally had Wash in the playoffs, but I bumped them for Miami. I don't like Wash and never have. They can score, but there D is even worse than ours and I think they're gonna have issues with an improved East. The Wiz offense is so perimeter oriented that it's hard for me to feel comfortable about them in any season.

As for their offense being better than ours. I think a lot of that is the pace that they play at. They score a lot and give up a lot and they do it by putting up a lot of shots very quickly. Wash was 3rd in the league in Shot attempts per game at 83.2. The Knicks were 26th in the league at 77.5. Both teams shot about 45% and almost 35% from 3. Wash just gets up more shots.

I think our offense will need to be more efficient and we have to cut down on the TO's. We have a good shot to be more efficient with the make up of our team now. With fewer TO's our points allowed should improve. I expect our point Diff to improve and that is why I expect us to be a much better team this year.
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9/19/2007  11:42 AM
I'm with Nix on this one. I don't see Washington as a much better team than us. They have a lot of the same problems. I think the one thing that gives them an edge over a full season is Arenas. But if our guys step to the plate we can certainly compete with them if not beat them. If.
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9/19/2007  12:23 PM
I had Washington just missing the playoffs but let's be serious, with Arenas, Butler and Jamison, the Wiz are a better team than the Knicks. If for no other reason than they have someone, Arenas, who can take over a game with more frequency than anybody the Knicks have.

Having said that, if the Wiz are probably on the outside looking in at the playoffs, what makes people think that the Knicks will make it?
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9/19/2007  1:11 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I had Washington just missing the playoffs but let's be serious, with Arenas, Butler and Jamison, the Wiz are a better team than the Knicks. If for no other reason than they have someone, Arenas, who can take over a game with more frequency than anybody the Knicks have.

Having said that, if the Wiz are probably on the outside looking in at the playoffs, what makes people think that the Knicks will make it?
I've just explained this. The Wiz are primarily the same team, whereas the Knicks are improved. IMO the Knicks are improved enough that they will pass Wash this year. If you concentrate on the win/loss record and use that as your barometer, you miss out of the trends and intangible changes that are taking place. The Wiz went into last year as a team that was already set in terms of how they function. It's all about their Big 3. The Knicks started the year off with big questions and a mandate to establish a base to build from. We weren't at the same stage of development.

Now I believe things are different. NY is up and coming and I believe ready to take a big step up from what they were last year. IMO the Wiz aren't gonna change much at all from what they were last year. In fact I think that will be a big problem for them, cuz the rest of the Conf. has improved. My optimism for the knicks is that we are strong where most teams in the East are weak. The C and F positions are our strengths. I expect us to pound teams for 48 mins and like a great NFL running team I think we'll wear teams down. Think about it. The best players on our team score at 57.6, 46.7 and 60%. Of course I'm talking about Curry, Zach and Lee. They combine for 18 FTA's a game and 27 rebounds a game. It's very likely that they'll produce numbers similar to these this season. Then you can add guys like Balk, Q and Jared to the equation and I think we look very strong on the Boards.
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9/19/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by nixluva:
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I had Washington just missing the playoffs but let's be serious, with Arenas, Butler and Jamison, the Wiz are a better team than the Knicks. If for no other reason than they have someone, Arenas, who can take over a game with more frequency than anybody the Knicks have.

Having said that, if the Wiz are probably on the outside looking in at the playoffs, what makes people think that the Knicks will make it?
I've just explained this. The Wiz are primarily the same team, whereas the Knicks are improved. IMO the Knicks are improved enough that they will pass Wash this year. If you concentrate on the win/loss record and use that as your barometer, you miss out of the trends and intangible changes that are taking place. The Wiz went into last year as a team that was already set in terms of how they function. It's all about their Big 3. The Knicks started the year off with big questions and a mandate to establish a base to build from. We weren't at the same stage of development.

Now I believe things are different. NY is up and coming and I believe ready to take a big step up from what they were last year. IMO the Wiz aren't gonna change much at all from what they were last year. In fact I think that will be a big problem for them, cuz the rest of the Conf. has improved. My optimism for the knicks is that we are strong where most teams in the East are weak. The C and F positions are our strengths. I expect us to pound teams for 48 mins and like a great NFL running team I think we'll wear teams down. Think about it. The best players on our team score at 57.6, 46.7 and 60%. Of course I'm talking about Curry, Zach and Lee. They combine for 18 FTA's a game and 27 rebounds a game. It's very likely that they'll produce numbers similar to these this season. Then you can add guys like Balk, Q and Jared to the equation and I think we look very strong on the Boards.

What good is pounding teams if you can't stop anybody to save your life? And how can you count Lee? He has no offensive game. He shoots at such a high percentage because he lives off of putbacks and dunks set up by other people.

How can you say that Zach and Curry will produce similar numbers? Most everybody admits that Zach and Curry will go through a big adjustment playing with another big man who takes up the low post. There's no guarantee that they will figure it out much less produce at the same rate. That seems extremely optimistic, to the point of being wishful thinking.

You do realize that teams have to play offense AND defense, right? If you can't defend, you can't win. If you don't win, you don't make the playoffs. It's just that simple.
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9/19/2007  2:11 PM
Nalod really does not know what to expect.

I don't even know who the coach is gonna be.

Our coach is a deviant split personality. One of his personalities is that he is his own boss!
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9/19/2007  2:19 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by islesfan:

I had Washington just missing the playoffs but let's be serious, with Arenas, Butler and Jamison, the Wiz are a better team than the Knicks. If for no other reason than they have someone, Arenas, who can take over a game with more frequency than anybody the Knicks have.

Having said that, if the Wiz are probably on the outside looking in at the playoffs, what makes people think that the Knicks will make it?
I've just explained this. The Wiz are primarily the same team, whereas the Knicks are improved. IMO the Knicks are improved enough that they will pass Wash this year. If you concentrate on the win/loss record and use that as your barometer, you miss out of the trends and intangible changes that are taking place. The Wiz went into last year as a team that was already set in terms of how they function. It's all about their Big 3. The Knicks started the year off with big questions and a mandate to establish a base to build from. We weren't at the same stage of development.

Now I believe things are different. NY is up and coming and I believe ready to take a big step up from what they were last year. IMO the Wiz aren't gonna change much at all from what they were last year. In fact I think that will be a big problem for them, cuz the rest of the Conf. has improved. My optimism for the knicks is that we are strong where most teams in the East are weak. The C and F positions are our strengths. I expect us to pound teams for 48 mins and like a great NFL running team I think we'll wear teams down. Think about it. The best players on our team score at 57.6, 46.7 and 60%. Of course I'm talking about Curry, Zach and Lee. They combine for 18 FTA's a game and 27 rebounds a game. It's very likely that they'll produce numbers similar to these this season. Then you can add guys like Balk, Q and Jared to the equation and I think we look very strong on the Boards.

Nix Wash is essentially the Pheonix Suns of the East. What they do have along with talent is continuity and stability. And Nick Young is going to be a stud. They are adding Blatche and Songalia to the rotation more this season. They don't have redundancy. They still have a solid team just how solid compared to the rest will be debatable, but they have a better shot than the Knicks.
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9/22/2007  10:08 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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LMAO @ some of you leaving Washington out. They were a top 4 team before the injuries started. They're not missing the playoffs.

Miami is not dropping out of the top 8 either.

Unfortunately NY will be in a dogfight for 9th or 10th with Orlando, Philly, Charlotte, Indiana, and Milwaukee.

Great point I wonder if Nix will give them this consideration since he always makes the excuse for the Knicks. He forgets all about Miami and then proceeds to bump Washington totally out of the mix once it was brought to his attention. I guess Washington injuries aren't as significant when factoring this season's success(sigh). The only reason I have them as a bubble team because they are a very poor defensive team. I strongly feel the teams that come out of the east this season will be the strongest defensive teams.

You wanna hear something saddening? Caron Butler is a better rebounder than Eddy Curry!
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9/22/2007  10:40 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by islesfan:

I had Washington just missing the playoffs but let's be serious, with Arenas, Butler and Jamison, the Wiz are a better team than the Knicks. If for no other reason than they have someone, Arenas, who can take over a game with more frequency than anybody the Knicks have.

Having said that, if the Wiz are probably on the outside looking in at the playoffs, what makes people think that the Knicks will make it?
I've just explained this. The Wiz are primarily the same team, whereas the Knicks are improved. IMO the Knicks are improved enough that they will pass Wash this year. If you concentrate on the win/loss record and use that as your barometer, you miss out of the trends and intangible changes that are taking place. The Wiz went into last year as a team that was already set in terms of how they function. It's all about their Big 3. The Knicks started the year off with big questions and a mandate to establish a base to build from. We weren't at the same stage of development.

Now I believe things are different. NY is up and coming and I believe ready to take a big step up from what they were last year. IMO the Wiz aren't gonna change much at all from what they were last year. In fact I think that will be a big problem for them, cuz the rest of the Conf. has improved. My optimism for the knicks is that we are strong where most teams in the East are weak. The C and F positions are our strengths. I expect us to pound teams for 48 mins and like a great NFL running team I think we'll wear teams down. Think about it. The best players on our team score at 57.6, 46.7 and 60%. Of course I'm talking about Curry, Zach and Lee. They combine for 18 FTA's a game and 27 rebounds a game. It's very likely that they'll produce numbers similar to these this season. Then you can add guys like Balk, Q and Jared to the equation and I think we look very strong on the Boards.

Nix Wash is essentially the Pheonix Suns of the East. What they do have along with talent is continuity and stability. And Nick Young is going to be a stud. They are adding Blatche and Songalia to the rotation more this season. They don't have redundancy. They still have a solid team just how solid compared to the rest will be debatable, but they have a better shot than the Knicks.
Blatche and Songaila don't mean jack squat to me. You think those two are gonna add more than Zach, Lee and Balk? Lee and Balk will be another year better and they already were better than guys like Blatche and Songaila. Nick Young may be good down the line, I don't know about this season. I think that Wash was better mainly due to the fact that they had a solid trio that had abeen together already. Meanwhile we had a bunch of guys just coming off one of the worst seasons in knick history. I look at last year for what it was. A new starting point. We got some things established and can build off of those things. We added even more talent and sent away guys that weren't helping us. In this coming year I expect to see us realize more of the actual talent we have. I don't think Wash. is gonna be that much better than they have been the last couple of years. Cuz nothing they've done is likely to improve the team that much. In our case i expect a huge jump.

We started last year behind and that shouldn't be the case this year. We had ZERO chemistry and over the season we developed chemistry and an indentity and style of play. We enhanced that style of play by adding Zach and I think that we're gonna be much more solid overall due to that. Islefan brought D and part of our problem on D was our offense. We had so many wasted possessions and TO's last year and this would lead to poor starts and give teams loads of extra easy points. I don't think that will happen at the same level that it did last year. I expect things to be much tighter on offense and this will help the D. Guys like Mardy and Balk will be able to help more from the very start and that wasn't the case in their rookie year. If you look you can see the many ways that this team will likely improve from within and due to the trade. I expect for guys like Q and Jared to be better this year. Even Steph should be better from day one than he was last year. Don't underestimate the affect that chemistry and familiarity will have. This is year 2 under Isiah and these guys will have a much better feel for his style and system than last year when it was all new.
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9/22/2007  11:10 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by islesfan:

I had Washington just missing the playoffs but let's be serious, with Arenas, Butler and Jamison, the Wiz are a better team than the Knicks. If for no other reason than they have someone, Arenas, who can take over a game with more frequency than anybody the Knicks have.

Having said that, if the Wiz are probably on the outside looking in at the playoffs, what makes people think that the Knicks will make it?
I've just explained this. The Wiz are primarily the same team, whereas the Knicks are improved. IMO the Knicks are improved enough that they will pass Wash this year. If you concentrate on the win/loss record and use that as your barometer, you miss out of the trends and intangible changes that are taking place. The Wiz went into last year as a team that was already set in terms of how they function. It's all about their Big 3. The Knicks started the year off with big questions and a mandate to establish a base to build from. We weren't at the same stage of development.

Now I believe things are different. NY is up and coming and I believe ready to take a big step up from what they were last year. IMO the Wiz aren't gonna change much at all from what they were last year. In fact I think that will be a big problem for them, cuz the rest of the Conf. has improved. My optimism for the knicks is that we are strong where most teams in the East are weak. The C and F positions are our strengths. I expect us to pound teams for 48 mins and like a great NFL running team I think we'll wear teams down. Think about it. The best players on our team score at 57.6, 46.7 and 60%. Of course I'm talking about Curry, Zach and Lee. They combine for 18 FTA's a game and 27 rebounds a game. It's very likely that they'll produce numbers similar to these this season. Then you can add guys like Balk, Q and Jared to the equation and I think we look very strong on the Boards.

Nix Wash is essentially the Pheonix Suns of the East. What they do have along with talent is continuity and stability. And Nick Young is going to be a stud. They are adding Blatche and Songalia to the rotation more this season. They don't have redundancy. They still have a solid team just how solid compared to the rest will be debatable, but they have a better shot than the Knicks.
Blatche and Songaila don't mean jack squat to me. You think those two are gonna add more than Zach, Lee and Balk? Lee and Balk will be another year better and they already were better than guys like Blatche and Songaila. Nick Young may be good down the line, I don't know about this season. I think that Wash was better mainly due to the fact that they had a solid trio that had abeen together already. Meanwhile we had a bunch of guys just coming off one of the worst seasons in knick history. I look at last year for what it was. A new starting point. We got some things established and can build off of those things. We added even more talent and sent away guys that weren't helping us. In this coming year I expect to see us realize more of the actual talent we have. I don't think Wash. is gonna be that much better than they have been the last couple of years. Cuz nothing they've done is likely to improve the team that much. In our case i expect a huge jump.

We started last year behind and that shouldn't be the case this year. We had ZERO chemistry and over the season we developed chemistry and an indentity and style of play. We enhanced that style of play by adding Zach and I think that we're gonna be much more solid overall due to that. Islefan brought D and part of our problem on D was our offense. We had so many wasted possessions and TO's last year and this would lead to poor starts and give teams loads of extra easy points. I don't think that will happen at the same level that it did last year. I expect things to be much tighter on offense and this will help the D. Guys like Mardy and Balk will be able to help more from the very start and that wasn't the case in their rookie year. If you look you can see the many ways that this team will likely improve from within and due to the trade. I expect for guys like Q and Jared to be better this year. Even Steph should be better from day one than he was last year. Don't underestimate the affect that chemistry and familiarity will have. This is year 2 under Isiah and these guys will have a much better feel for his style and system than last year when it was all new.


It doesn't matter it don't mean jack squat to you, as if you have an objective bone in your body in the first place. I mentioned them to show, those players will help maintain and/or enhance their already solid team. And Washington's Trio only stands to get stronger. Arenas, Jamison, and Butler are All-Stars 1 a bonafied Superstar. 2 of them will be hitting their primes. Also Wash doesn't so much have to improve (speaking in Nix terms) of making a (HUGE jump) they just have to maintain their position and not slide that much. And If all these Knick players are supposedly going to improve then Wash's All-Stars and other young contributing role players stand a chance to do the same. Besides Lee and Balk stand a strong chance to lose minutes due to the redundancy on the roster. We already have witnessed I SAY UGH not playing Balk as much as he should last yr and now there's ever more so clutter on the roster. Everybody on this team Nix will not have top notch contributions this season Nix, it's just impossible. The familiarity will depend on who I SAY UGH decides to keep on the roster(and for the record at this point you have absolutely no idea who that will be, so please don't even bother trying to assume who you think will make the 15 man roster) because by my count(6) Zach, Nichols, Dickau, Chandler, Jones, and even Morris still are new faces for this team to get familiar with.
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9/23/2007  7:26 AM
Wiz: its a contract year for Arenas and Jamison already felt he shoots too much. Might be chemistry issues in Washington with Arenas playing for the max.

Heat: Wade is expected to miss time coming off surgery. Shaq is in his 16th season and the last 2 years he has missed 1/4 and 1/2 of the season respectively. Zo was great filling in but he is entering his 16th season as well. they missed in free agency, lost Posey and Kapono and none of their draft picks the last couple years except Wright for a couple of weeks have managed to crack the rotation even with the injuries to Wade Williams and Shaq.

looks like a retooling year in South Beach IMO.
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9/23/2007  7:53 AM
Arenas will get the max no matter what, unless he has some devastating injury. I'd be surprised if he thought he needed to shoot more.
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I dunno. alot of the time it seems Agent Zero is more concerned with being known as a prolific scorer like Kobe vs a prolific playmaker like Nash.
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Posted by McK1:

I dunno. alot of the time it seems Agent Zero is more concerned with being known as a prolific scorer like Kobe vs a prolific playmaker like Nash.

Yea, he became extremely arrogant when he realized he'd be on the cover of NBA LIVE '08.
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They should just give him a max contract extension now if they're worried about it affecting his performance negatively
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Posted by McK1:

I dunno. alot of the time it seems Agent Zero is more concerned with being known as a prolific scorer like Kobe vs a prolific playmaker like Nash.

This is a stretch piece of reasoning here. Here's some quotes from him recently showing he gets it and his standard is defense and winning(MVP candidacy) this season and nothing else...


"Adding Posey made them a playoff team," Arenas said. "They got three players (Garnett, Allen and Paul Pierce) who can dominate in their own way. They need somebody to do the dirty work."

Arenas said defense will be the key to the Wizards' success. "We already have the offense," he said. Arenas (28.4 points), Caron Butler (19.1) and Antawn Jamison (19.8) formed the league's highest-scoring trio of teammates.

"If we can get to 50-55 wins, I'm a heavy (MVP) candidate," he said. "I'm going to do what I do."
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by McK1:

I dunno. alot of the time it seems Agent Zero is more concerned with being known as a prolific scorer like Kobe vs a prolific playmaker like Nash.

This is a stretch piece of reasoning here. Here's some quotes from him recently showing he gets it and his standard is defense and winning(MVP candidacy) this season and nothing else...


"Adding Posey made them a playoff team," Arenas said. "They got three players (Garnett, Allen and Paul Pierce) who can dominate in their own way. They need somebody to do the dirty work."

Arenas said defense will be the key to the Wizards' success. "We already have the offense," he said. Arenas (28.4 points), Caron Butler (19.1) and Antawn Jamison (19.8) formed the league's highest-scoring trio of teammates.

"If we can get to 50-55 wins, I'm a heavy (MVP) candidate," he said. "I'm going to do what I do."

the defense statement is every teams company line.

the 2nd part of the quote you left unbolded:

I'm a heavy (MVP) candidate," he said. "I'm going to do what I do."

is what raises an eyebrow. sounds pretty me-first to me.

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the 2nd part of the quote you left unbolded:

I'm a heavy (MVP) candidate," he said. "I'm going to do what I do."

is what raises an eyebrow. sounds pretty me-first to me.
That was my reaction too. That said, I'd still trade our entire team for him.
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Posted by Bonn1997:
the 2nd part of the quote you left unbolded:

I'm a heavy (MVP) candidate," he said. "I'm going to do what I do."

is what raises an eyebrow. sounds pretty me-first to me.
That was my reaction too. That said, I'd still trade our entire team for him.

The second part didn't need to bolded in my mind because of everything he said before. Now if he started out with the MVP talk fine. And no every team's focus is not to improve defensively and every team's goal is not to win 50-55gms. And every great player has lofty goals too bad we're accustomed to goals where the bar is set low.
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:
the 2nd part of the quote you left unbolded:

I'm a heavy (MVP) candidate," he said. "I'm going to do what I do."

is what raises an eyebrow. sounds pretty me-first to me.
That was my reaction too. That said, I'd still trade our entire team for him.

The second part didn't need to bolded in my mind because of everything he said before. Now if he started out with the MVP talk fine. And no every team's focus is not to improve defensively and every team's goal is not to win 50-55gms. And every great player has lofty goals too bad we're accustomed to goals where the bar is set low.
That is true. Didn't Lebron say his goal was to become the wealthiest man in the world?
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