Maybe the UN's number is doubtful?

I always find it funny how everyone displays outrage at the numbers of people being slaughtered in Iraq and Darfur etc. But noone ever wants to send anyone in to help them.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Bippity10:

I always find it funny how everyone displays outrage at the numbers of people being slaughtered in Iraq and Darfur etc. But noone ever wants to send anyone in to help them.

I want the UN peace keeping force to be stationed all over Darfur.

Too bad the UN peace keeping force doesn't want the same things.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Bippity10:

I always find it funny how everyone displays outrage at the numbers of people being slaughtered in Iraq and Darfur etc. But noone ever wants to send anyone in to help them.

I want the UN peace keeping force to be stationed all over Darfur.

Too bad the UN peace keeping force doesn't want the same things.

Thats BS! Thats exactly what they want.

Who is stopping them? Dont tell me its all Americas fault again.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Who is stopping them? Dont tell me its all Americas fault again.

They are there already bro. Bip was asking why no one wants to send anyone there. I told him I wanted to and they are there already. They need more forces there but thats besides the point.

And for some reason you are confusing America with the current administration. The Bush administration is not America.

Of course that's the way the world works. Be outraged about something. Send a half-asst response. Talk about it. Talk about it some more. Pretend we are doing something. Talk about it some more. Maybe send a few more people. Talk about it some more and then pull out when the going gets tough. That's pretty much the pattern for all these major blood baths.

I think the war in Iraq was ridiculous. We had no business starting this war IMO. People die each day needlessly. But noone is ever going to go in there and help stop the bloodbath if we pull out. It will be "see what the americans did" and then sit back and watch. Of course the blood bath will be a result of our starting of the war and our pull out, but sitting back and watching it occur is equally bad in my view. And that is what will happen. None of us have any idea if it will get worse if we leave. We won't find that out until it occurs. But from my point of view it's a pretty scary thought. No one really cares about the people there. We just like to feign outrage to feel better.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Who is stopping them? Dont tell me its all Americas fault again.

They are there already bro. Bip was asking why no one wants to send anyone there. I told him I wanted to and they are there already. They need more forces there but thats besides the point.

And for some reason you are confusing America with the current administration. The Bush administration is not America.

Of course that's the way the world works. Be outraged about something. Send a half-asst response. Talk about it. Talk about it some more. Pretend we are doing something. Talk about it some more. Maybe send a few more people. Talk about it some more and then pull out when the going gets tough. That's pretty much the pattern for all these major blood baths.

I think the war in Iraq was ridiculous. We had no business starting this war IMO. People die each day needlessly. But noone is ever going to go in there and help stop the bloodbath if we pull out. It will be "see what the americans did" and then sit back and watch. Of course the blood bath will be a result of our starting of the war and our pull out, but sitting back and watching it occur is equally bad in my view. And that is what will happen. None of us have any idea if it will get worse if we leave. We won't find that out until it occurs. But from my point of view it's a pretty scary thought. No one really cares about the people there. We just like to feign outrage to feel better.

First off, your entire post is crap. Who are you talking about when you saying "pretend we are doing something." About me? So you are telling me I shouldn't be outraged because I don't fit your mold of "how we should act" or something? You are telling me I shouldn't be outraged because you don't approve of the way I am talking about the situation? What a waste. Eny had a straight up thread about how the current administration has fooled us into fighting a completely different country and now you are making this a thread for your rhetoric. We shouldn't be outraged because we don't act on it as I see fit. Nice!

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 09-20-2007 5:00 PM]

SilverFuel: No I was not talking about you. I was talking about heads of state throughout the world. Take it easy man. Sorry for the disconnect. Take a deep breath. It's okay.

Posted by COSSUCKS:

So the Bush administration is stopping the whole world from sending more "peace keeping" forces to Darfur? How is the Bush administration stopping all these countries from sending more troops?

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 09-20-2007 5:41 PM]

I never said that man.
1) There are peace keeping forces in Darfur already. All we have to do is force sanctions and support UN decisions which is very simple. Just get involved.
2) I actually agree with people that say its their problem not ours.
Let me summarize my stand on the Darfur conflict. Its a civil war and no outside power should get physically involved in a civil war. We should force economic sanctions on countries supporting the Janjaweed. We should educate the people on whats going on over there so maybe we as a nation can help somehow down the line.

But here is the thing, its an Iraq war thread. Darfur was brought up to prove a point. IMO, we agree on almost everything about Iraq. We agree that Iraq was a mistake and we should minimize casualties on all sides. Your beef is not with my stand on the issue. I know this is a very sensitive topic (especially for a soldier like you are) and I stress once again that dissing the Bush administration is not the same as what the Taliban does by dissing America. I honestly don't know what you are disagreeing with me on about the Iraq war.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

So the Bush administration is stopping the whole world from sending more "peace keeping" forces to Darfur? How is the Bush administration stopping all these countries from sending more troops?

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 09-20-2007 5:41 PM]

I never said that man.
1) There are peace keeping forces in Darfur already. All we have to do is force sanctions and support UN decisions which is very simple. Just get involved.
2) I actually agree with people that say its their problem not ours.
Let me summarize my stand on the Darfur conflict. Its a civil war and no outside power should get physically involved in a civil war. We should force economic sanctions on countries supporting the Janjaweed. We should educate the people on whats going on over there so maybe we as a nation can help somehow down the line.

But here is the thing, its an Iraq war thread. Darfur was brought up to prove a point. IMO, we agree on almost everything about Iraq. We agree that Iraq was a mistake and we should minimize casualties on all sides. Your beef is not with my stand on the issue. I know this is a very sensitive topic (especially for a soldier like you are) and I stress once again that dissing the Bush administration is not the same as what the Taliban does by dissing America. I honestly don't know what you are disagreeing with me on about the Iraq war.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just really tired of the blame America first mentality I have seen for 20 plus years. This has gone on regardless of who was president.

My only point is if the any countries in the world want to do more regarding Darfur they can. We are not stopping any other country from doing more over there. It cant always be Americas fault nor the Bush administrations fault. If Canada wants to go do more in Darfur we arent stoping them. If France wants to we arent stopping them. If Germany wants to we are not stopping them. Ditto every other country.

Posted by Silverfuel:

COSSUCKS: I brought up Darfur in one line to make a point about the media when discussing something with Bonn. He agreed and I moved on. I replied to Bippity's question about Darfur and never once brought up anything about the US. Where are you getting this "blame America first" stuff from about Darfur? I never freaking brought it up. I don't want the US to do anything about it. I specifically said UN force. You for some reason thought it was something else. Who said it was anything to do with Bush. I am actually clarifying it for a second time right now.

arkrud: Thanks for the reply post but I knew all that already. The Darfur conflict is categorized as a Civil war. I know what you are saying but what you are saying and I am saying is basically splitting hairs. I agree with you that we shouldn't back up the countries like Saudi that support the Janjaweed militia. Also, I agree with you on Iraq.

Silver I was speaking of a blame America first mentality for many issues that I have seen for 20 plus years not specifically Darfur. It wasnt based on what you said.
The easiest thing to do is do nothing. Stay an isolationist neutral country and mind our own business. Thats what George washington wanted us to be. I dont know if it is a moral thing to do but it is the easiest.