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Solace
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7/26/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by TMS:

good thing we avoided signing guys like Ted Lilly (11-4, 3.46 ERA) & went with the much smarter option in Moose... we really dodged a bullet there... Moose at $22 million is a STEAL!!!

Hell, for Moose... all the world series rings he's helped us win (0) and all of his clutch performances where we usually only lose by a run, I think he should've gotten a Roger Clemens-like deal.
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7/26/2007  3:02 PM
is the MOOSE really signed through next year for $11 mil? that is a contract that belongs on the knicks.

i wonder if big george will just buy the guy out, he's terrible.
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7/26/2007  3:06 PM
the 2nd guaranteed year was a killer... i would have been much less opposed if they'd just signed him to a 1 year contract w/a team option for a 2nd, or at the very least have some incentive clauses written into the deal so we wouldn't be stuck w/a rapidly declining pitcher for the next 2 years w/nowhere to put him... he's not a guy who can pitch effectively out of the BP because he's such a damn creature of habit... if the sun isn't in the proper position in the sky when he pitches it's basically over for him.

i don't think buying him out is an option either... we'll just have to keep our fingers crossed that this season is just an aberration & he bounces back next season to his '06 form... fat chance of that happening but it's our only option right now.
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7/26/2007  3:37 PM
so the MOOSE and giambi both expire in 08. doesn't pavano expire after this year?

is there a baseball equivalent of a hoopshype-type site where you can find the players salaries on a year to year basis? i can find this year on ESPN and SI and stuff but not for the future years. any help?
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7/26/2007  3:41 PM
Giambi has an option year in '09 w/a $5 million dollar buyout, which i'm sure will be exercised by the Yankees.

u can find salaries & contracts here:

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/
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7/26/2007  8:35 PM
Posted by TMS:

at least he managed to sign Igawa, so it wasn't a total loss.

Igawa needs to be deported.
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7/30/2007  12:08 PM
braves just got texeira for saltalamacchia.
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7/30/2007  12:09 PM
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7/30/2007  4:31 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

braves just got texeira for saltalamacchia.

Mets just got Luis Castillo.
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7/31/2007  11:39 AM
ESPN reporting that the Yankees have traded Scott Proctor for Wilson Betemit.
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7/31/2007  1:59 PM
I heard about that Islesfan. Also, a sourse tells me the Yanks are trying to deal Damon, but I have no link or proof.
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7/31/2007  2:52 PM
red sox just got gagne. yanks wouldn't trade kennedy or cabrera for him so the red sox dealt some big time guy apparently.

1 hour left, will the yanks make a deal to shore up the bullpen?

hughes and chamberlain are gonna provide a big boost but i dont know, the sox have an absolutely NASTY bullpen now. game is 6 innings like the 96-00 yankees. 7-8-9 go gagne, otsuka, papelbon. a move might need to be made.
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7/31/2007  5:12 PM
Ugh, terrible. Yanks lose Proctor, Sox add Gagne.
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7/31/2007  5:19 PM
Don't get the point of trading Proctor for a infielder when the big problem right now is Middle Relief. I understand that Chamerblain is probably going to be brought up and that they want him to be the 8th inning guy but whose to say that he's going to adjust to it? If the whole Chamberlain call-up doesn't work out then Cashman has pretty much put the nail in the coffin because we know Farnsworth sucks and I don't think Vizcaino is going to continue to be as lights out as he's been lately.

The goal of this trade deadline was to add more MR help and not only did we not add any, we traded it away. Horrible.
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7/31/2007  5:21 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Don't get the point of trading Proctor for a infielder when the big problem right now is Middle Relief. I understand that Chamerblain is probably going to be brought up and that they want him to be the 8th inning guy but whose to say that he's going to adjust to it? If the whole Chamberlain call-up doesn't work out then Cashman has pretty much put the nail in the coffin because we know Farnsworth sucks and I don't think Vizcaino is going to continue to be as lights out as he's been lately.

The goal of this trade deadline was to add more MR help and not only did we not add any, we traded it away. Horrible.

So, you're equally as confused as I am?
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7/31/2007  5:26 PM
Yanks got a great value. Proctor's not more than an average relief pitcher. Betemit's got a lot of pop, plate discipline and upside potential. Plus he gives the Yanks a backup plan in case something happens with Arod. In the meantime he can play some 1b and move all around the infield and be an upgrade on Cairo.

Considering how many guys Proctor's been walking lately he wasn't helping that much anyway. In addition to Joba, don't be surprised if the Yanks add a reliever or through the waiver deadline as well. Ohlendorf's been working out of the pen as well. And hopefully Ramirez and Britton get real shots this time. Ramirez has been dominant in AAA and Britton was effective on the major league level last year- more effective than Proctor has been this year.
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8/1/2007  9:15 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Yanks got a great value. Proctor's not more than an average relief pitcher. Betemit's got a lot of pop, plate discipline and upside potential. Plus he gives the Yanks a backup plan in case something happens with Arod.

Proctor was one of the yanks better relievers, he has just been overused this season. A guy who put up 3.52ERA, with a 1.19 WHIP in over 100 IP last season in the AL is more than just an average pitcher. Again, this seemed like another panic move to get a replacement for Arod. Btw, Texas must be praying Arod opts out.
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8/1/2007  10:47 AM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by VDesai:

Yanks got a great value. Proctor's not more than an average relief pitcher. Betemit's got a lot of pop, plate discipline and upside potential. Plus he gives the Yanks a backup plan in case something happens with Arod.

Proctor was one of the yanks better relievers, he has just been overused this season. A guy who put up 3.52ERA, with a 1.19 WHIP in over 100 IP last season in the AL is more than just an average pitcher. Again, this seemed like another panic move to get a replacement for Arod. Btw, Texas must be praying Arod opts out.


A 3.52 ERA is ok- but you look around the league and look at most team's primary setup man and that is pretty average to below average. When you consider his inconsistency and the fact that he walks so many batters this year I think its ok to conclude he's average.

Furthermore, he was a crutch for Joe Torre. Every single scenario in every game he went to Proctor. And why? Was he a shutdown reliever? No. The guy is a nice 3rd or 4th part of a bullpen, but Torre overused him here.

This wasn't a panic move at all- I don't know how you can see trading a 30+ year old, heavily used reliever for a 27 yr old infielder with upside a panic move. It was a long range outlook move and a value move. The fact that he can be used as a hedge against A-Rod is a bonus, but there's still a lot of long range potential with Betemit. He was one of the highest rated prospects in the Atlanta org.- considered another Chipper Jones type for a while. He hasn't panned out quite as predicted, but at the same time he's got a solid OPS of over .800 and a lot of pop. He's had about 19 home runs 330 at bats for the Dodgers.
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8/1/2007  11:07 AM
Posted by VDesai:

A 3.52 ERA is ok- but you look around the league and look at most team's primary setup man and that is pretty average to below average. When you consider his inconsistency and the fact that he walks so many batters this year I think its ok to conclude he's average.

And who is the setup guy now? Farnsworth? Vizciano? Myers(lol)?
Posted by VDesai:

This wasn't a panic move at all- I don't know how you can see trading a 30+ year old, heavily used reliever for a 27 yr old infielder with upside a panic move. It was a long range outlook move and a value move. The fact that he can be used as a hedge against A-Rod is a bonus, but there's still a lot of long range potential with Betemit. He was one of the highest rated prospects in the Atlanta org.- considered another Chipper Jones type for a while. He hasn't panned out quite as predicted, but at the same time he's got a solid OPS of over .800 and a lot of pop. He's had about 19 home runs 330 at bats for the Dodgers.

Betemit should have been a starter with the Dodgers, all-in-all the yankees got the better value, but it wasn't exactly a big need for the final stretch. Pitching wins championships, not homeruns. Now if you are telling me the yanks aren't concerned about trying to make the playoffs this year, then yes, good move for the future.
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8/1/2007  11:24 AM
No contender, certainly not Cleveland or Seattle, will add a better pitcher than Phil Hughes to their rotation for the stretch run.

Nobody is saying that the Yankees middle relief if perfect or even good for that matter, but they have enough pitching in the minors to patch their bullpen. If Joba can come in and settle the 7th inning, the Yankees will be in pretty good shape. If Jobe can adjust to relieving for 2 months, there's no reason to believe that he won't be better than what the Yankees have now. He has the same type of stuff that K-Rod and Papelbon have.

And if the Yankees can make up the 3 games and overtake the Indians and Mariners to make the postseason, they could have Hughes and Joba in their bullpen if they go with Mussina as their 4th starter.

And don't just discount Vizcaino. He's been pitching lights out for about 2 months now. Let's wait for Torre to completely overuse him, now that Proctor is no longer there to abuse, before we mention him in the same sentence as that gutless puke, Farnsworth.
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