Posted by Allanfan20:

Rem, just to let you know, my stance is this. I do think the fans have patience to go through a rebuild, and I know, b/c they are still attending games through these losing seasons and watching on MSG, for whatever reason, and this has been an ugly as heck rebuild. Therefore, if we do a more well thought out rebuild, I think the fans would be even better.

All I was saying is that while we want the wins, we can still be patient through a good rebuilding. It HASN'T been done well so far, so we are less patient.

Great post and right on target.

Posted by RemBee76:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Misterearl, I'm not saying I agree with you or disagree with you. Actually, I even agree that we have some nice compelling talent and we should definitely look foward to seeing how they can mesh together, all while hoping Eddie and Zack can play some defense.

However Misterearl, as much as us fans like to see the youthful flavor, it still hasn't brought us 2 things, and that's wins and a championship. Fans will start being optimistic and we will all be taking your side when we become contenders, and we will all, of course, be satisfied when we finally win a championship. However, we haven't even broken .500 since 2001, so you gotto be understanding that it's hard to really get amped up, until given true reason to.

In closing, this is an unproven team. Until we put a proven team on the court, you'll hear negativity rightfully so.

Absolutely 100% agree Allan. I couldn't put it any better.

Neither could I.

Anyone who thinks our fans will sit patiently through a blow-up and rebuild should print out AllanFan's post and paste it to their monitor.

The only people too impatient to go through a real rebuild are the ones who are actually happy with the current team. And they deserve the six consecutive sub .500 seasons they've gotten. It sucks for the rest of us though.

I'd say at least zero people here are Layden lovers.

Nobody is defending Layden here, but 25 wins... come on. Not to mention that Isiah coincidentally took over right before the easiest 4 game stretch of the entire season. I suppose he gets credit for those wins, even though they were Layden's players.

Solace - Scott Layden did not have a single productive player transaction during his tenure. The players he inherited did the heavy lifting. Head Coach Don Chaney did the best he could with what he was given. In retrospect, he didn't do such a bad job.

Scott Layden did nothing.

Why are we arguing that people liked Layden? Because some people were okay with one deal he made??????????????

There are people that despise Isiah that also really like the Balkman/David Lee picks.

This is an asinine argument. Why are we even having it. CAn we at least agree that neither GM has brought us tangible results? Is it fair to say that?

bippity - wrong

the tangible results were evident in Las Vegas dude

if one looked at the skill-sets on the floor, and you know anything about basketball, how could you not be encouraged?

look ahead

[Edited by - misterearl on 07-24-2007 09:24 AM]

Let's hope that the Knicks don't have to wait until their roster is decimated by injury before the tangible results of the summer league can step on the floor with consistent minutes.

Misterearl: Tangible results for me happen during the regular season. I could care less about the summer league. I see the potential in the players just like you do. I am encouraged. Never said I wasn't. Not sure why you continue to assume that I don't. But until potential shows itself on an NBA floor it is meaningless. Wins is all that matters.

We can't keep winning 23 and 33 games and calling ourselves the best 33 win team ever. Eventually you have to start seeing results in the wins. So when you say things like "look ahead" and "stay tuned" that's exactly what I am doing. I am waiting to see the results on the floor, like you. The rest is just talk.

Posted by misterearl:

Nobody is defending Layden here, but 25 wins... come on. Not to mention that Isiah coincidentally took over right before the easiest 4 game stretch of the entire season. I suppose he gets credit for those wins, even though they were Layden's players.

Solace - Scott Layden did not have a single productive player transaction during his tenure. The players he inherited did the heavy lifting. Head Coach Don Chaney did the best he could with what he was given. In retrospect, he didn't do such a bad job.

Scott Layden did nothing.

In retrospect, I think Chaney did a fair job also. At the time, I hated Chaney's rotations, but in retrospect, I think they were mandated by Layden. That being said, I have no qualms about bashing Layden. He made some moves that obviously god awful before the player even came over. Mostly because it was clear Layden didn't understand the cap. In baseball, some Layden's moves would've been Steinbrenner-like. He overpaid for role players, but that's okay, because it didn't cripple the team (e.g.: Yankees moves like Steve Karsay, Kyle Farnsworth, etc...). In the NBA, those moves were killer. Now you've heard me knock Layden again, so you guys can stop this insane fantasy that it's a defense of Layden. That being said, for as bad as Layden was, that team that had just gotten healthy with a core of Dikembe Mutombo, Kurt Thomas, Antonio McDyess, Keith Van Horn, Allan Houston, etc... was considerably better than a 25 win team. I think that team would've pwned last year's team in a 7 game series. But, honestly, it's irrelevant, because it was a poor long term solution, it's the past and nobody cares.