Posted by nixluva:
I wasn't responding to your entire post, just the idea that there's other ways that this team could reach the level of contender aside from your scenario. Teams don't always do it that way. In fact most of the time teams have to take far different paths to building a winner. You also have to add in the market and the owner. In NY it would've been a hard sell to do what you suggested. What you propose might work great in many situations, but I don't know about ours.
I still think you missed the point because I wasn't stating a formula that works across the board for every team. I merely said it would be a good strategy in the '03 Knicks situation. But it's okay, let's move past that.
Posted by nixluva:
Now i'll address the 1st part of your post
Your inital premise of acquiring as many high draft picks as possible is interesting. If we're losing then we're gonna have our own high pick, but to get another one, you have to have something to give to a losing team that they'd want to take instead of keeping their own high pick. How does that make sense? We didn't have anything of value to give that would bring back a high pick.
But as I said, we did have something to offer. Namely almost $30 million in expiring contracts. As I said, you can trade the expirings, take back guys with two years on their contract and get good draft picks for that. That's a LOT of savings for teams. For $30 million a year of savings (for say 2 years), smaller teams would be willing to give up a lottery pick for sure to erase past mistakes.
Posted by nixluva:
You also want us to be concerned with LeBron being available at some point perhaps 5 years down the line.
At that point he was available two years down the line from Isiah took over. He re-upped with the Cavs because there were no teams he was interested in that had the cap room. If the Knicks were under the cap, the scenario may have been different.
Posted by nixluva:
We gave Dolan's plan a try for 1.5 years but since then we've been on an aggressive plan to add youth and talent. The team has most of it's holes plugged but obviously it's not perfect. Still it's a good group of talent. It didn't take Isiah long to acquire this talent either. 3 offseasons for the bulk of the young talent we have. This team really started with the 2005 draft and offseason with Frye, Nate, Lee, Q and then Curry. In his 2nd season as Coach, I think we'll be in good shape.
Dolan's plan? Please. There was no plan and it lasted maybe a full year. And "Dolan's plan" was only a cop-out to try to blame Larry Brown for Steve Francis and Jalen Rose. Also, if there was a plan behind it (which there clearly wasn't), you surely try it for more than a year.
Nobody is arguing about it being a good group of talent. The problem is how talented. The thing is would you rather have five energy players like Balkman, Lee, Chandler, Nate, etc... or would you rather have LeBron. I'm picking LeBron. Furthermore, there's no reason why couldn't have kept the picks we actually had and STILL drafted energy players. Who knows... with some luck, maybe we're talking about a core of LeBron and Bargnani or Wade and Oden. That's the difference between the methods of operation.
7/24/2007 1:03 PM
and give me a few minutes.