[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

kosmovitelli masterpiece: A typical Isiah trade
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 5 of 6 « First‹ Previous 3  4  5  6 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  10:24 PM
please don't tell me Isiah will be able to trade Zach Randolph in any deals to get a megastar player, because the Blazers wouldn't have unloaded him on us for Francis & Frye this year if he carried that kind of value...

well this is where we differ. I think Zach was put on the Clearance Rack for 50% off ONLY because the Blazers now have Aldridge and Oden and want to clear the way for them.

In a year or two, Zach (provided he keeps his nose clean) will have much much much more value than as merely an ending contract. He was 20/10 in the WEST every night. He'll own the EAST.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
AUTOADVERT
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  10:33 PM
in a year or TWO, sure, he might have more value if he stays out of trouble & puts up numbers like he did last season... what are the chances he'll remain as a 23 & 10 player with Curry getting half his touches on offense though?... Francis would have had more value next year as an expiring contract than he did this year, i can tell u that much, regardless if he put up stats or not

[Edited by - TMS on 07-01-2007 10:37 PM]
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  10:35 PM
How can you talk about Francis having all this value next year (or Jalen Rose) and then bemoan that we didn't just let them come off the cap?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
7/1/2007  10:37 PM
Posted by kam77:
please don't tell me Isiah will be able to trade Zach Randolph in any deals to get a megastar player, because the Blazers wouldn't have unloaded him on us for Francis & Frye this year if he carried that kind of value...

well this is where we differ. I think Zach was put on the Clearance Rack for 50% off ONLY because the Blazers now have Aldridge and Oden and want to clear the way for them.

In a year or two, Zach (provided he keeps his nose clean) will have much much much more value than as merely an ending contract. He was 20/10 in the WEST every night. He'll own the EAST.

I agree that it has nothing to do with Zach's talent. He's a direct link to the days they want to put behind them and they now have young players to replace him. The guy was putting up his numbers in the West and that can't be overlooked. He has value, but he'll have even more as we progress and win games. We already could score, but now it's going to be even harder for teams to contain us. Our offensive efficiency will improve and I think the number of TO's will decrease. Teams scored a lot on us not only because we were terrible on D, but also due to the high TO's. We were easy to defend and we didn't always execute. I believe we'll be much improved in those areas.

I'm not gonna go into this with a negative outlook before anything even happens. He's just one guy and most of the players on this team are good guys.
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  10:38 PM
You're right to question the fit. Thats what the first reaction is to do. But lets dig deeper: Eddy likes the left block, Zach likes the right. Eddy is righty. Zack lefty. Eddy is pure post dominance, Zack is comfortable playing inside or out. Zach shoots from mid-range better than last year's PF. Zack gets to the line twice as much as last year's PF and hits them at an 80% clip. Eddy hurts you late in games with FT shooting...now you can take Eddy out and feed Zack in the post in late game situations. And if Curry gets in foul trouble, we don't have to stop feeding the post.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  10:39 PM
Posted by kam77:

How can you talk about Francis having all this value next year (or Jalen Rose) and then bemoan that we didn't just let them come off the cap?

Zach Randolph is not the player i would have used his expiring contract on... i would have preferred he let his contract expire than trade for Zach Randolph... sheesh, it's like i'm talking Arabic or something
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  10:44 PM
Eddy is a CENTER and Zacks a PF. They OUGHT to be able to work together, is they claim to be All-Stars etc... and the fact that Zack is a tireless worker hopefully rubs off on Eddy Curry.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  10:45 PM
Francis only value comes when his contract is over. Zack has value now. It's like i'm speaking yiddish or something.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  10:47 PM
Francis would be an expiring contract next season... you're saying he'd have less trade value than he did right now?
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  10:53 PM
You saying we could get MORE for his contract next year? Really? The last time that happened we didn't end up with anyone near as good. We ended up with Steve Francis and before that Jalen Rose. I thought you said you want him to expire?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  10:55 PM
see, you're just not listening to anything i've been saying all this time... nevermind, if you haven't gotten my point by now you probably never will.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
7/1/2007  11:00 PM
Zach won't take Eddy's shots and vice versa. The shots will come from other players who don't deserve to take as many shots. Honestly he's a PF and we needed a starting PF. He's like Frye on steroids. If we all expected and wanted Frye to work out how is it any different with Zach who is just a better version of Frye? The alternative is to have a PF who doesn't really have much of an offensive game and mostly just defends, but then when Curry is not in the game or is in foul trouble we have Zach there to more than fill in. It's a good problem to have.

We all may have had different ideas on what we thought would be best for this team, but seeing what Isiah has done I am on board with his choices. 20+/10 from Zach, some good young prospects and 2 expiring deals. Not bad.
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  11:06 PM
All this time you've said you want Francis to expire. Therefore i wouldn't expect you to concoct a rational defense around trading Franchise next year when he's even closer to being an expiring contract. Its inconsistent.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
arkrud
Posts: 32217
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 8/31/2005
Member: #995
USA
7/1/2007  11:07 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Zach won't take Eddy's shots and vice versa. The shots will come from other players who don't deserve to take as many shots. Honestly he's a PF and we needed a starting PF. He's like Frye on steroids. If we all expected and wanted Frye to work out how is it any different with Zach who is just a better version of Frye? The alternative is to have a PF who doesn't really have much of an offensive game and mostly just defends, but then when Curry is not in the game or is in foul trouble we have Zach there to more than fill in. It's a good problem to have.

We all may have had different ideas on what we thought would be best for this team, but seeing what Isiah has done I am on board with his choices. 20+/10 from Zach, some good young prospects and 2 expiring deals. Not bad.

So the Z-bo will get his 19 shots (his avarage last and his best season - 44% shooting)
from... Lee, Balkman, and ... Eddy. Only this 3 was getting any. Lee was about 57% with 8-9 shots, Balk was picking up only garbage points. So Eddy is the victim
Or you thing Marbs and Craf will sacrefise their shots. Comeon man - guards will shoot same and it is nothing to do with Zack
Yoo are a DREAMER...



"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
7/1/2007  11:09 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Zach won't take Eddy's shots and vice versa. The shots will come from other players who don't deserve to take as many shots. Honestly he's a PF and we needed a starting PF. He's like Frye on steroids. If we all expected and wanted Frye to work out how is it any different with Zach who is just a better version of Frye? The alternative is to have a PF who doesn't really have much of an offensive game and mostly just defends, but then when Curry is not in the game or is in foul trouble we have Zach there to more than fill in. It's a good problem to have.

We all may have had different ideas on what we thought would be best for this team, but seeing what Isiah has done I am on board with his choices. 20+/10 from Zach, some good young prospects and 2 expiring deals. Not bad.

it seems like alot of players on this team have to make some serious sacrifices to make this work. let's see if not only are they willing, but whether they can do it.

i wonder what eddy feels about this deal. he was told he was the franchise player last year, and he got the ball in the post every time down the court. now he has to share the ball and his role is somewhat changed (after only 1 season of establishing as the main focus).
newyorknewyork
Posts: 30367
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
7/1/2007  11:11 PM
I would be happy with this trade if we traded Curry for a young defensive Center. Moved Crawford for a pure SG. Looked for Marburys replacement with a playmaking PG next offseason. Bought out Jerome James. And if Balkman & Chandler both developed into very good defensive SFs who could hit the 3.
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172
7/1/2007  11:12 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nixluva:

Zach won't take Eddy's shots and vice versa. The shots will come from other players who don't deserve to take as many shots. Honestly he's a PF and we needed a starting PF. He's like Frye on steroids. If we all expected and wanted Frye to work out how is it any different with Zach who is just a better version of Frye? The alternative is to have a PF who doesn't really have much of an offensive game and mostly just defends, but then when Curry is not in the game or is in foul trouble we have Zach there to more than fill in. It's a good problem to have.

We all may have had different ideas on what we thought would be best for this team, but seeing what Isiah has done I am on board with his choices. 20+/10 from Zach, some good young prospects and 2 expiring deals. Not bad.

it seems like alot of players on this team have to make some serious sacrifices to make this work. let's see if not only are they willing, but whether they can do it.

i wonder what eddy feels about this deal. he was told he was the franchise player last year, and he got the ball in the post every time down the court. now he has to share the ball and his role is somewhat changed (after only 1 season of establishing as the main focus).


Good point and what happens if Zach proves to be a better black hole than Eddy? Eddy provides absolutely nothing else on this team. I also wonder how Zach and Eddy will get a consistent amount of touches while at the same time giving out perimeter players enough shots to have rhythm from game-to-game.
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/1/2007  11:19 PM
IMO, Curry's going to regress with Zach demanding half the touches on offense... just watch... you guys love the trade now, but that's going to quickly fade once you notice Curry not knowing what to do or where to be on the floor when he's sharing the floor w/Zach... there's only so much room in the post to maneuver... a much better way to clear the post & free up Curry from all the double teams would have been to trade for a perimeter shooter... a guy like Rasheed Wallace even would have made infinitely more sense for the Knicks than Zach Randolph, because he plays interior D, blocks shots, & can play on the perimeter out of the PF position, which pretty much addresses most of the team's needs coming out of last season... plus his contract would be infinitely more manageable to boot.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
7/1/2007  11:23 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nixluva:

Zach won't take Eddy's shots and vice versa. The shots will come from other players who don't deserve to take as many shots. Honestly he's a PF and we needed a starting PF. He's like Frye on steroids. If we all expected and wanted Frye to work out how is it any different with Zach who is just a better version of Frye? The alternative is to have a PF who doesn't really have much of an offensive game and mostly just defends, but then when Curry is not in the game or is in foul trouble we have Zach there to more than fill in. It's a good problem to have.

We all may have had different ideas on what we thought would be best for this team, but seeing what Isiah has done I am on board with his choices. 20+/10 from Zach, some good young prospects and 2 expiring deals. Not bad.

it seems like alot of players on this team have to make some serious sacrifices to make this work. let's see if not only are they willing, but whether they can do it.

i wonder what eddy feels about this deal. he was told he was the franchise player last year, and he got the ball in the post every time down the court. now he has to share the ball and his role is somewhat changed (after only 1 season of establishing as the main focus).


Good point and what happens if Zach proves to be a better black hole than Eddy? Eddy provides absolutely nothing else on this team. I also wonder how Zach and Eddy will get a consistent amount of touches while at the same time giving out perimeter players enough shots to have rhythm from game-to-game.

isiah said nothing bad about curry's defense or rebounding last season.

the minute he got zach, he finally says curry could improve in those areas.

i'm also curious to see how isiah uses the media this season and whether or not he falls out of love with some of his guys.
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
7/1/2007  11:26 PM
you guys love the trade now

Just about 33% of us like it, 33% are undecided, and 33% don't like it. Who is this straw man you are arguing with? I'm in the lets wait and see camp. You're in the 'already decided' camp. Thats cool.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
Page 5 of 6 « First‹ Previous 3  4  5  6 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
kosmovitelli masterpiece: A typical Isiah trade
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy