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5/8/2007  3:56 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
i wish i knew what IT was doing. are we building around curry and our youth? or are we still chasing stars on the market?

I'd guess we will know by the next trading deadline.

Or have you heard Isiah say he is pursuing JO?
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5/8/2007  4:00 PM
Posted by Masterplan:

Posted by sebstar:
its just interesting that the biggest pessimists on the board are practically bristling at the notion of this speculative trade. I guess thats just a coincidence.

it probably has to do with the amount of faith different posters have in IT making a smart trade and not getting fleeced.

Thats neither here nor there...We cant even come to a consensus that there is viability in the idea that J.O can be moved...Posters are acting like such an idea is preposterous and the Indy holds all the leverage. Its becoming a sky is blue, no its red type of thing around here were people are being needlessly argumentative.
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5/8/2007  4:48 PM
Yeah why are some people acting like O'Neal is on the same level as a LeBron, Wade, Shaq etc... like you gotta give up your first born to acquire him.

It is simple...

1 there is a risk involved with this guy (injuries)

2 he is paid like a superstar

3 wants out of his team

Now if you want to be a dumb schmuck and overlook all that and pay 90 cents on the dollar for this guy then go ahead and be a schmuck and make Bird look good.

Because time is actually working against Bird, the longer he waits the higher O'Neals contract increases every year, and what if he only plays 60 games again next season?

Ya'll also make it seem like every team in the league wants O'Neal... let's name ALL THE TEAMS that would actually take him, this isn't SHAQ O'NEAL making $20+ mil per year playing in 60 games a year, this is JERMAINE O'NEAL.

So tell me guys let's name every possible team willing to take on O'Neal.
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5/8/2007  7:52 PM
True Blue, you wouldn't trade 2 first round picks to get a guy averaging 20/8. Call me crazy...

the Knicks got value in those drafts anyway. Ariza was scooped up in 2004 and the other still hasn't even been exercised I don't believe.

you and isles act as if you're paying the checks. does it offend you that much that the knicks took on all this money? who gives a f-ck if they took on $200 million.

and true blue, WTF are you talking about "Uhhhhh you do realize that some of the best players that are competing right now for a championship are Euro or Non American.......Tim Duncan, Diaw, Barbosa, Ginobli, Parker, Biedrins, Memet Okur, Andre Kirelinko, Sasha Pavlovic, Anderson Varejo, Big Z, Nenad Kristic(would be if healthy), Andres Nocioni, Luol Deng, Ben Gordon if you count the fact he's British born.

LOL!"

WHAT DO THESE GUYS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING? we traded vujanic and lampe, they haven't done sh-t in the nba. and a bunch of contracts that would've yielded nothing anyway, to get the best player on our team in the last 3 years.

and then you keep refuting this steve francis claim when it says in the article at the beginning of this topic that the pacers would like to acquire him. did you watch pacers games this year? i'm guessing no. they got NO scoring from the outside, i'm sure they'd at least consider francis. i love how you just write all of it off as if we're insane. get a life brozeph.
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5/8/2007  11:06 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

True Blue, you wouldn't trade 2 first round picks to get a guy averaging 20/8. Call me crazy...

the Knicks got value in those drafts anyway. Ariza was scooped up in 2004 and the other still hasn't even been exercised I don't believe.

you and isles act as if you're paying the checks. does it offend you that much that the knicks took on all this money? who gives a f-ck if they took on $200 million.

and true blue, WTF are you talking about "Uhhhhh you do realize that some of the best players that are competing right now for a championship are Euro or Non American.......Tim Duncan, Diaw, Barbosa, Ginobli, Parker, Biedrins, Memet Okur, Andre Kirelinko, Sasha Pavlovic, Anderson Varejo, Big Z, Nenad Kristic(would be if healthy), Andres Nocioni, Luol Deng, Ben Gordon if you count the fact he's British born.

LOL!"

WHAT DO THESE GUYS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING? we traded vujanic and lampe, they haven't done sh-t in the nba. and a bunch of contracts that would've yielded nothing anyway, to get the best player on our team in the last 3 years.

and then you keep refuting this steve francis claim when it says in the article at the beginning of this topic that the pacers would like to acquire him. did you watch pacers games this year? i'm guessing no. they got NO scoring from the outside, i'm sure they'd at least consider francis. i love how you just write all of it off as if we're insane. get a life brozeph.

Because we were'nt trying to build around Lampe, that was a striking blow at air post. He was a project pick and there have been plenty made by every other team in the NBA. And even if we were trying to build around Euros or made them a focal part of a rebuilding process that doesn't make it worthless or any less important than any other rebuild process. As if Curry and Jamal Crawford aren't overhyped. So in essence what you're saying is we moved away from a faulty rebuild plan only to replace it with another faulty rebuild plan. I still don't see this "REAL FUTURE". The correct way to rebuild is to suck, get rid of high priced assets/diminishing overrated talent for draft picks, lower payroll, and build through the draft by selecting premium talent. When the iron is hot, strike the right FA available. It would help to have the right coach in place during this process.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-08-2007 10:07 PM]
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5/8/2007  11:48 PM
Bryant told me he was serious about going to the Bulls before he re-signed with the Lakers, and highly regards the Bulls' organization and the way the team is being built. He's one player who has no fear of stepping into the Jordan legacy. In fact, he'd likely embrace it.

"I hate to even think about me going someplace else," Bryant said.

But he could, if all else fails.

This is news to me. If this is true, then Kobe suks!
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5/9/2007  12:03 AM
Right now we have a young group of players and we're only 2 years away from being able to look at the FA market. We've got talent at every position and we'll likely add another player to fill the need at SG/SF or maybe a Shotblocking PF. We just need for our players to continue to develop and gain experience. I fail to see how we don't have a future or a plan here. We have a dominant offensive Center and we have good young developing players at every other position.

I think in the end Isiah will probably pass on any JO deal, unless it's favorable to the Knicks. WE aren't in desparation mode anymore. If we only give up Francis and Frye, then I think it's all worth it. I personally would prefer we stand pat, cuz I don't think we need to do anything drastic at this point. We can continue the process of developing our young players and fill in the roster with the Shooter and shotblocker we need via the draft and maybe a young guy that falls thru the cracks. JO will likely still be there later and by then maybe the Pacers are a bit more desparate. OR MAYBE we find out we don't even need him.
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5/9/2007  7:00 AM
Now that IT has someone he trusts helping him with the GM duties, I think his future actions will be wiser.

Is O' Neal avaiable? In the NBA, if your superstar asks to leave, teams general try to oblige them. NBA teams don't like guys on the squad who don't want to be there. O' Neal likely is not going to make any big public announcement, but if he went to Bird and said I want out, Bird is going to try to move him if he can find a decent deal.

Should we get O' Neal? I like O' Neal and think that he can help the team, but we should not get fleeced on this deal. Make a fair offer and stand pat. We have solid young prospects and a draft pick this year. If we don't get O' Neal, this team will still be in decent shape if our young guys develop. IT needs to make a wise decision on this one.
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5/9/2007  9:59 AM
Posted by TheGame:

Now that IT has someone he trusts helping him with the GM duties, I think his future actions will be wiser.

Is O' Neal avaiable? In the NBA, if your superstar asks to leave, teams general try to oblige them. NBA teams don't like guys on the squad who don't want to be there. O' Neal likely is not going to make any big public announcement, but if he went to Bird and said I want out, Bird is going to try to move him if he can find a decent deal.

Should we get O' Neal? I like O' Neal and think that he can help the team, but we should not get fleeced on this deal. Make a fair offer and stand pat. We have solid young prospects and a draft pick this year. If we don't get O' Neal, this team will still be in decent shape if our young guys develop. IT needs to make a wise decision on this one.

I agree, I have no problem with Isiah making a bold move for a "star" or an actual star like KG. But at the same time he has to be smarter than he has been in the past. O'neal is a risk so the offer should takt that into account. Don't take back bad salaries and don't offer unprotected picks. KG's age makes his situation similar. We aren't in a desperate situation(Isiah may be, but the Knicks aren't) so we need to be more conservative.
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5/9/2007  12:53 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TheGame:

Now that IT has someone he trusts helping him with the GM duties, I think his future actions will be wiser.

Is O' Neal avaiable? In the NBA, if your superstar asks to leave, teams general try to oblige them. NBA teams don't like guys on the squad who don't want to be there. O' Neal likely is not going to make any big public announcement, but if he went to Bird and said I want out, Bird is going to try to move him if he can find a decent deal.

Should we get O' Neal? I like O' Neal and think that he can help the team, but we should not get fleeced on this deal. Make a fair offer and stand pat. We have solid young prospects and a draft pick this year. If we don't get O' Neal, this team will still be in decent shape if our young guys develop. IT needs to make a wise decision on this one.

I agree, I have no problem with Isiah making a bold move for a "star" or an actual star like KG. But at the same time he has to be smarter than he has been in the past. O'neal is a risk so the offer should takt that into account. Don't take back bad salaries and don't offer unprotected picks. KG's age makes his situation similar. We aren't in a desperate situation(Isiah may be, but the Knicks aren't) so we need to be more conservative.

Absolutely agree while Francis isn't going to be the centerpiece of a trade for O'Neal for any other reason than the value of his contract-JO is not worth the Knicks selling their soul for.
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5/9/2007  3:00 PM
If you think about it... Francis is 2 or 3 seasons removed from being one of the 10 players in the NBA, regardless of position.
And Marbury, he's a season or two removed from declaring he was the best PG in the NBA. :)

If Francis can get over his tendonitis (I think giving him 35mpg and 18 shots/game will cure him), I'm convinced he'll get his mojo back. I think after seeing him explode toward the end of the season (witness the game against the Wizards in DC where he willed the team to victory and literally won it singlehandedly), other GMs see that he's still got "it" if/when he's motivated.

I think we're just letting our resources melt away by letting them age. Either give 'em a chance to play or trade 'em. You can't just stockpile 30 year olds. They need to be playing or be gone.

Indiana needs a PG. I'm sure they'd insist on us taking Tinsley away, who IMHO is a very good PG. He's a lot different from any of our current PGs, so he'd actually come in handy. (imho he's a starting quality PG on most teams) Of course, if they trade away Jermaine O'Neal and blow things up, they'd certainly need a big man too.

If it costs us David Lee and one of our other young bigs (Frye) to get Jermaine O'Neal, so be it. Given their proximity to Kentucky, it's possible that they've done extensive scouting on Morris and see something in him too.

As far as the Knicks go, we need to be smart. We need to consider trading our duplicate big men and guards.
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5/9/2007  3:05 PM
I've never liked Steve Francis. Not sure he knows how to play the game.
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5/9/2007  3:07 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I've never liked Steve Francis. Not sure he knows how to play the game.

you're a nets fan.
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5/9/2007  3:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

I've never liked Steve Francis. Not sure he knows how to play the game.

you're a nets fan.

that Richard Jefferson, now that boy can play.
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5/9/2007  3:13 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

I've never liked Steve Francis. Not sure he knows how to play the game.

you're a nets fan.

that Richard Jefferson, now that boy can play.

I think Bobo once said the same thing. I mean he is better than Tim Duncan, who is complete garbage.
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5/9/2007  3:19 PM
You don't trade for a declining player because you hope he can be what he was 3yrs ago and no Steve has never in his career been a Top 10 player. 3yrs ago players that were better than Steve


Tim Duncan
K.G.
Kobe
Shaq
Kidd
Dirk
Nash
Billups
J.O.
Pierce
A.I.
T-Mac
Ray Allen
Artest
Ben Wallace
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5/9/2007  3:29 PM
Steve looked good because he played in an isolation offense that allowed him and Cuttino to dribble around and do their thing for 22 seconds before shooting. Never was he a Top player. He was simply a product of a generation of players that were deemed franchise players if they could dribble between their legs or jump real high. In terms of winning basketball his flaws are the same as they were a few years ago. The only difference is that now he has lost a step. He like Marbury, wasted a lot of time not listening to coaches and now he doesn't know what to do.

In the end though, it's not his fault.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 09-05-2007 3:30 PM]
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Posted by Bippity10:

Steve looked good because he played in an isolation offense that allowed him and Cuttino to dribble around and do their thing for 22 seconds before shooting. Never was he a Top player. He was simply a product of a generation of players that were deemed franchise players if they could dribble between their legs or jump real high. In terms of winning basketball his flaws are the same as they were a few years ago. The only difference is that now he has lost a step. He like Marbury, wasted a lot of time not listening to coaches and now he doesn't know what to do.

In the end though, it's not his fault.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 09-05-2007 3:30 PM]


Agreed, the fact that anyone would even remotely consider him being a former Top 10 player in his career is disturbing.
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