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4/19/2007  11:36 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by DJMUSIC:

building around Curry OR Marbury, means you dont want a winning team in new york.
A winning team around these two will never ever exist.

The first line looks like your serious.
The second line looks like your using a double edged sword.

What is it your saying?


In plain old english if you think New York Knickerbockers can build a successful winning team with
Curry and Marbury as their #1 and #2 best top 1-2 punch, Then I dont know what to believe here anymore.

Next season the combined yrs of Steph and Curry will be nearly 16 yrs between them in NBA. Steph seem to have got it and may be some #2 star to a real go to guy. That #1 guy cannot be Eddy Curry.

At least Marbury scores, passes for assists and now plays some defense something the rest of roster
doesnt do outside of David Lee, Balkman and perhaps QRich.

Curry is a good kid who is a lost post scoring threat and that is all. He doesnt pass & he doesnt even rebound well for a big man, cannot shoot free throws and his primary issue he doesnt play defense and wont. Marbury is NY's best skilled knick period.

For folks who does think Knicks can build a winner around Marbury and Curry, thats good. Best of Luck!


[Edited by - DJMUSIC on 04-20-2007 12:02 AM]
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4/19/2007  11:37 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by nixluva:

The focus of the offense is GOING to be CURRY! I don't know why this should put so much fear in people. As for the defense it's more a matter of improving the TEAM defensive prowess. Adding another SG/SF who can defend and score and also a shotblocking/rebounding PF, would do wonders for this team. We already have a few players who CAN DEFEND. Steph, Lee, Q, Jared, Balkman, Collins and Malik are all decent enough defenders. There's enough here to start to improve this team defensively while still having Curry as the focus of things in the middle. I expect that Curry will be able to come back even better next year.

Nix still got a little hope in his heart. Good for you man, my heart has turned black. My lungs are next and then my feet will start turning green soon also.

What is it your saying?
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4/19/2007  11:40 PM
Posted by MS:

How about just get a center that doesn't need to be catered to at every position? If Isiah knew we needed someone that can make the entry pass he should have taken the past passing point in the draft, if he knew we needed a shooter why not sign one in the offseason....

to many things need to be catered to for eddy to make up for his lack of overal game

Makes alot of sense, I agree w/you 150%

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4/19/2007  11:41 PM
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Posted by MS:

How about just get a center that doesn't need to be catered to at every position?
Bingo! If you find out that the player you're trying to build around is so limited that he has to be catered to at every position, then it's a sign to ditch the plan and start all over!


Bonn makes brings up a valid point as always.
agreed 200%

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4/19/2007  11:47 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ Iverson needed to be catered to.


Dont think we should ever mention Curry (being catered) to Iverson. Iverson at least went to finals and had few conference title runs and is AllStar since he came into league.

We're catering to Curry already and he hasnt catered to knicks fans by playing some Defense.
If you can't teach a guy in 7 yrs how to pass Or play some nba defense and rebound better
then what's the use of his scoring ? Eddy made some decent strides this season and we cannot
expect to see this child peak too much more in the future. Next yr will be 7th yr in NBA?

Lets see what happens, I dont believe he will learn NBA defense in NY. He may learn it someplace
else but wont ever learn to pass Or defend cause he hasnt done it already. He's a scorer. A 1 way player. That's it.

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4/19/2007  11:50 PM
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If he wasn't a franchise player, he was at least showing he was well rounded, didn't have any severe limitations, and could become one. He wasn't an F'n ***** girl player like Eddy.


Oh really, you so sure of that?

Yao could BARELY play 33 minutes just a few years ago, he was (and still is) a mediocre rebounder for his size (as is Curry but even worse), and he was constantly KILLED on switches.

Yao used to get posterized and crossed tons, atleast Curry is quicker on his feet.


You wanna talk soft -- Yao was arguably every bit as soft, and probly softer, than Curry is now.
...

That is why Rockets and Yao KICKED Knicks butts nationally the last 2 yrs and 4 games played in a row.

Now I've heard it all.
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4/20/2007  12:00 AM
Posted by misterearl:

why is a 24 year old guy who went for 19 and 7 treated like a criminal?

Eddy Curry is three years away from his prime years

sheesh

[Edited by - misterearl on 04-19-2007 7:54 PM]

He aint being treated like a criminal. 3 yrs away from his prime?
Kids are coming into NBA younger and younger, from H.S and college. The NBA is young. Its ok to love Eddy Curry cause he's a good kid who dont get into trouble and he's capable of scoring.
That's it!

The upside to his game has to improve. If you dont see signals in it, then it aint there.
You cant teach a guy who rebounds 7 reb ppg to be a 10 rebound guy if the guy doesnt want to work
at it. You cant teach a guy to not back away from a short guard driving to hoop but to challenge
that player in the paint and protect the post, if the guy doesnt want to work at that.

Eddy Curry is not a hard worker at anything else besides offense. NY Team identity is DEFENSE 1st last and always. We're not going to win with marshmellows playing a front line defense where guys
like Nate Robinson and Francis combined gets more rebounds than your bigs. Curry doesnt want the other parts of da game bad enough is why he wont succeed in Knick uniform to rise knicks to greener pastures.

Curry says all the right things and problems with knicks is not all his fault. However lets not make any
excuses for Eddy Curry or his teammates. You have to seize the moment "The big stage".

If you're supposedly best #2 or #1 best player in Curry can't get it done in your own Gym against the
76ers (iverson-less), the hornets, the sonics, the celtics (spanked NY twice), and all the weak nba
teams who came in without BIG centers and took it to Knicks, then I cannot be impressed with Eddy Curry being our best knick.






[Edited by - DJMUSIC on 04-20-2007 12:07 AM]
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4/20/2007  7:09 AM
DJMUSIC - Eddy Curry does require the designation of "best" Knick.

Both his rebounding and scoring improved just a year removed from the heart scare.

This offseason he can work in more confidence. I really don't see a problem with Eddy Curry.

The problem is deciding on the 3 and 4 spots.
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4/20/2007  7:19 AM
DJ - does this chatter about Eddy not being willling to work come from anyone who has ever attended a Knicks practice?



[Edited by - misterearl on 04-20-2007 07:28 AM]
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4/20/2007  8:01 AM
Well it's promising that Zeke is saying no more MLE. I think Dolan, though he's boys with Isiah, is feeling the heat from the press and fans and is making a point to spend more responsibly.

See that's the problem in itself -- Dolan runs the orginization like a business, yet he buddies around with GM's he LIKES, rather than who would do the best job.



Anyway, you have Curry starting, and that's a given. Just like Joe Johnson is a given for the Hawk's future.

When you give up the type of assets you gave up for both guys, you can pretty much bet on a big backlash if you turned around and traded the guy for anything less than a superstar (and most teams won't view Eddy as worthy of that so that probly wouldn't happen anyway, he has health risks)


What MisterEarl said is right - WE DEFINITELY need crisper ball movement. There's no doubt.

The other thing I noticed we need is better outside shooting; we need to try to rid ourselves of the bad shooters (Francis), while bringing in better shooters (draft, trade).


Next step is to guage what Lee's value is now, b/c let's be honest, he COULD have a Frye-like slump, or not improve. So if we can maximize his value, it's worth looking into.


Since Francis will be cut or traded, if we don't trade Frye or Lee with the pick for an upgrade at PF via the draft (Noah/Horford/Wright), then we should just draft a shooter (Almond, Rush, Affolo, Byars, Belinini, etc.).


After that I might try to boost the media interest by nabbing Ewing from the Rockets to mentor Eddy, and probly call it a summer.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/20/2007  9:34 AM
Misterearl: Once again, I'm assuming since you are a Knick fan that you understand NY. No way in hell you are bringing in a center that doesn't block shots, doesn't play d, and doesn't rebound and expect him not to get criticized. No one is treating him like a criminal. Get over yourself. They are questioning the idea of using him as the franchises key player. Why is that not okay?

Should our criticism be limited to Steve Francis and Jerome James?
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4/20/2007  10:09 AM
Here is the thing about Eddy Curry that posters like misteral fail to bring up, if he was our draft pick we wouldn't be inclinded to be so upset with his perforamce, but he is our supposed franchise player, and if we didn't have him where would we be? In the same position.

Next year we don't have much room for improvement, because Isiah is the king of spin, Channing, Jamal, Eddy, Lee all had great summers?

Crawford? Did he add a little more muscle, work out in the weight room, be more patient with the ball, all i heard was you work on stuff in the rucker for the upcoming season, as usual mister 34 wins was true to form....

Frye was awful in summer league, but did work on his body...

Lee is Lee

Eddy? He was applauded for being able to finish a suicide in practice, came in overweight and out of shape.....


So here we are, passed on two potential allstars in back to back drafts. Brandon Roye is better than any guard on our team and has a good attitude, Ty Thomas next to David Lee would yield the same results as Curry. And we pass on a pg of the future Conely Jr. this year or even Corey Brewer a lockdown sf.

But we are paying Eddy 10 million a year, he won't play for anyone but Isiah....lol.....then we have jamal who is allowed to shoot the ball from half court, because he is wearing number 11 and nate whose joy has been restored because he can be selfish not pass the ball and fire away
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4/20/2007  2:06 PM
^ Hey man, Randolph is the Blazers "franchise player"; Kirilenko is Utah's; Okafor Charlotte's; I could go on and on.


All incomplete, non-elite players that will probly never lead their respective team to a championship, or even the Finals.


There are really only 10 or so teams that can really say they have a superstar franchise player.

The 20 other teams just have to try that much harder to build a competitive team...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/20/2007  2:08 PM
Utah also has Carlos Boozer, Okur and Deron Williams, Charlotte has Felton, Okafur, Wallce, another lottery pick, etc. The blazers have roye, a lottery selection to go with larmucs, and cap room coming
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4/20/2007  2:09 PM
And for his third season in the league i will take 15pts 11rbs 3blks from a center that doesn't need the ball to score.....
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4/20/2007  2:34 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Misterearl: Once again, I'm assuming since you are a Knick fan that you understand NY. No way in hell you are bringing in a center that doesn't block shots, doesn't play d, and doesn't rebound and expect him not to get criticized. No one is treating him like a criminal. Get over yourself. They are questioning the idea of using him as the franchises key player. Why is that not okay?

Should our criticism be limited to Steve Francis and Jerome James?


Bip, I dont disagree with what your saying, but as a New Yorker, my problem is with the New York fans in general.

Ewing played D, blocked shots, rebounded and even scored 25-plus for more than a few seasons and still, Most (not all) but a heck of a lot still found room to unfairlry criticize him for taking too many jumpers, for not winning a championship, for not being clutch etc.....Never mind that he was the anchor on the teams that went to 2 finals. Never mind that he never had a chance to play with another perennial (sp) allstar while in his prime.

Houston was ripped unmercifully. He was one of the best shooters to ever wear a Knicks uni...as soon as he signed that 100 million dollar contract (dont blame Houston for signing) alll of a sudden, he's soft, he didn't look like he cared enough because he wasn't pounding his chest and running around like a maniac like Spree etc......The same with ARod, booed during his MVP yr.....Piazza, booed before he even had a chance to prove himself.....I know i'm getting a bit off topic but its about time NY fans get over themselves.

MS said that it would be different if Curry was a draft pick. Really! Why take out our anger and frustration on Curry for Isiahs blunder. For all of his faults, to quote the the great street poet Nas "it aint hard to tell" that Curry is by far the best prospect we've at manning the middle since #33. at 24, Curry improved tremendously for last yr to this, why cant I believe that he will continue to improve on some of his weak areas? In other words, its about time NYers stop trying to tear anything down that doesn't fit their perceptions or ideologies of what certain players should be and learn to adjust to what we have and build from there. Theres more than one way.


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4/20/2007  2:41 PM
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Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Bippity10:

Misterearl: Once again, I'm assuming since you are a Knick fan that you understand NY. No way in hell you are bringing in a center that doesn't block shots, doesn't play d, and doesn't rebound and expect him not to get criticized. No one is treating him like a criminal. Get over yourself. They are questioning the idea of using him as the franchises key player. Why is that not okay?

Should our criticism be limited to Steve Francis and Jerome James?


Bip, I dont disagree with what your saying, but as a New Yorker, my problem is with the New York fans in general.

Ewing played D, blocked shots, rebounded and even scored 25-plus for more than a few seasons and still, Most (not all) but a heck of a lot still found room to unfairlry criticize him for taking too many jumpers, for not winning a championship, for not being clutch etc.....Never mind that he was the anchor on the teams that went to 2 finals. Never mind that he never had a chance to play with another perennial (sp) allstar while in his prime.

Houston was ripped unmercifully. He was one of the best shooters to ever wear a Knicks uni...as soon as he signed that 100 million dollar contract (dont blame Houston for signing) alll of a sudden, he's soft, he didn't look like he cared enough because he wasn't pounding his chest and running around like a maniac like Spree etc......The same with ARod, booed during his MVP yr.....Piazza, booed before he even had a chance to prove himself.....I know i'm getting a bit off topic but its about time NY fans get over themselves.

MS said that it would be different if Curry was a draft pick. Really! Why take out our anger and frustration on Curry for Isiahs blunder. For all of his faults, to quote the the great street poet Nas "it aint hard to tell" that Curry is by far the best prospect we've at manning the middle since #33. at 24, Curry improved tremendously for last yr to this, why cant I believe that he will continue to improve on some of his weak areas? In other words, its about time NYers stop trying to tear anything down that doesn't fit their perceptions or ideologies of what certain players should be and learn to adjust to what we have and build from there. Theres more than one way.



lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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4/20/2007  3:10 PM
Posted by DJMUSIC:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MS:

How about just get a center that doesn't need to be catered to at every position?
Bingo! If you find out that the player you're trying to build around is so limited that he has to be catered to at every position, then it's a sign to ditch the plan and start all over!


Bonn makes brings up a valid point as always.
agreed 200%

Thanks! The key point is "as always"
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4/20/2007  3:11 PM
good post, i do think (my fellow) NYers can be pretty arrogant, i.e. the "championship or failure" mindset with the Yankees. but i'm not sold on curry and think there are reasonable, uh, reasons to doubt him...
Posted by bigbeast:

at 24, Curry improved tremendously for last yr to this, why cant I believe that he will continue to improve on some of his weak areas?

did he improve any of his weak areas this last season? maybe he cut back on offensive fouls. but he didn't improve noticeable in passing, dealing with double teams, or rebounding. his defense is arguably worse.

i think the "he'll work on those things next year" argument is ludicrous. it's his job, i would hope he can find in his busy day to multitask just a little and work on a few different aspects.
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4/20/2007  3:13 PM
Why do people mention 24 like it's young? He's a six year vet who's merely 1 year younger than the average NBA player. And he's progressed in most areas much slower than the average player.
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