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2/27/2007  2:07 PM
Posted by Solace:
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This is terrible. Now the apologists will have another excuse for why we're a terrible team.

i'm not trying to make excuses for Jamal, but i'm surprised he was able to be as effective as he's been playing w/a stress fracture in his ankle.

I'm not knocking Jamal, but in theory, this team has gotten many props from the posters on this board for its 'depth'. If we have such depth, we should still be able to make the playoffs without Jamal... yet, many of the optimists admitted defeat. And one even suggested Latrell '$27 mil' Sprewell. LOL.

you can't say that about this team while still making excuses for the Nets w/o RJ, or the Heat w/o D Wade for not making the playoffs if they should fall out of the race.
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2/27/2007  2:07 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

I agree, no excuse.

This is worst than Wade

You violated your statement in the next sentence. How is the Knicks losing Chuckford worse than the Heat losing finals MVP Dwayne Wade???
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2/27/2007  2:08 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:

This is terrible. Now the apologists will have another excuse for why we're a terrible team.

i'm not trying to make excuses for Jamal, but i'm surprised he was able to be as effective as he's been playing w/a stress fracture in his ankle.

I'm not knocking Jamal, but in theory, this team has gotten many props from the posters on this board for its 'depth'. If we have such depth, we should still be able to make the playoffs without Jamal... yet, many of the optimists admitted defeat. And one even suggested Latrell '$27 mil' Sprewell. LOL.

you can't say that about this team while still making excuses for the Nets w/o RJ, or the Heat w/o D Wade for not making the playoffs if they should fall out of the race.

But... those are GOOD players. It's not like David Lee went down.

[Edited by - Solace on Feb 27 2007 2:09 PM]
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2/27/2007  2:12 PM
And you are comparing our situation to the Heat.....

Curry, Lee, Frye, Q, Marbury, Nate, Jefferies
Shaq, Haslem, Posey, Williams, Payton, Mourning, Kapono

In the words of Stephen A. good bye, the Wade lose is so much more serious, Shaq is still playing into shape, they have little depth on their team and a few solid players, i think our team is much deeper especially now....

And the Nets may still have Kidd and Carter, but their backup sg is a journeyman, cliff robinson is older than julio franco, mikki moore? jason collins? Losing your starting power foward for the entire season and your sf for 75% of the season is a much bigger blow....


Isiah is going to spin it as a tough loss, we were just putting it together making a playoff charge and dolan will agree and everyone gets extended...
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2/27/2007  2:13 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Part of the NBA--good teams have to deal with it. I dont want to go over the many examples--like amare stoudemire out for a year and Phoenix still wins 60 games yada yada. Win or shut up.

Absolutely. I doubt this team has had more injuries than the average team.

this team has had Francis & Q Rich miss a big chunk of games this season, Marbury playing w/injury all year long, & now Craw is out for the rest of the year, & yet all i ever hear is people making excuses for teams like the Nets or Heat for not having a better record this year w/1 of their main guys out of the rotation.

i for one am not going to start making excuses for this team... they're not all that great to begin with, so if you're expecting them to win now & say there's no excuse for failure, you're just fooling yourself.
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2/27/2007  2:15 PM
I think you have to start Francis... Possibly even Nate we need a shooter to replace Jamal
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2/27/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by MS:

And you are comparing our situation to the Heat.....

Curry, Lee, Frye, Q, Marbury, Nate, Jefferies
Shaq, Haslem, Posey, Williams, Payton, Mourning, Kapono

In the words of Stephen A. good bye, the Wade lose is so much more serious, Shaq is still playing into shape, they have little depth on their team and a few solid players, i think our team is much deeper especially now....

And the Nets may still have Kidd and Carter, but their backup sg is a journeyman, cliff robinson is older than julio franco, mikki moore? jason collins? Losing your starting power foward for the entire season and your sf for 75% of the season is a much bigger blow....


Isiah is going to spin it as a tough loss, we were just putting it together making a playoff charge and dolan will agree and everyone gets extended...

so in other words, in your mind the Knicks have a much deeper team than those other teams do & you expect a lot more than what you've been getting this season out of them... why are you always ragging on this team because all our players suck on every other thread? a little consistency would be nice.
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2/27/2007  2:17 PM
I am just stunned

Games played

Shaq 17
Nenad 26
Cliff Robinson 33
RJ 34
Williams 36
Wade 46
Crawford 58

And mind you they are still ahead of us in the standings, i think some people don't ever watch they just post.
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2/27/2007  2:18 PM
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2/27/2007  2:19 PM
first of all, sorry to hear that about Jamal. I like that kid a lot and the injury makes some of his recent play more understandable. I hope he heals right.

Dang, this puts a damper on any playoff chances though. We need to play Balkman and Lee a lot more, but I have a bad feeling it means more Francis and Jefferies.
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2/27/2007  2:20 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Pharzeone:

I agree, no excuse.

This is worst than Wade

You violated your statement in the next sentence. How is the Knicks losing Chuckford worse than the Heat losing finals MVP Dwayne Wade???

So now Shaq is just a role player? The Heat is suppose to the be the better team with or without Wade. Correct? Knicks put together a bunch of guys who have low BB IQ. You can't have the Heat challenging for the Eastern Conference finals one moment then give them a built-in excuse the next because Wade goes down. As I mentioned you can't call Shaq an all-star one moment and then say without Wade they have an excuse. If there are no "superstars" on the Knicks then every contribution counts. Its either or. Either Shaq is a true Superstar/HOF player and can overcome not having the likes of Wade to win the 8th playoff spot in a weak conference. Remember Ewing did that in his sleep on a regular basis.
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2/27/2007  2:21 PM
& dude, the Heat won the championships last season w/this same team... even if you take D Wade out of their rotation you'd expect them to at least nab a #8 seed... i don't want to hear any excuses if they don't make it now if you're going to hold the Knicks to that type of standard.

same goes for the Nets... all i ever hear out of you & others is how much better J Kidd & Vince are than any other player we have... if those 2 are elite level talent, you'd expect them to carry that team to a playoff berth also... all your constant whining about how bad our talent is, & then you switch stance as soon as an injury happens to 1 of our guys, who you have gone on record as saying is the most inconsistent & maddening player on this team, & now all of a sudden this team is deep with talent & there's no excuse for them not making the playoffs.

in the words of TMS, STFU.
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2/27/2007  2:22 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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Tough break for Crawford. I like the kid and I feel sorry for him.

As for the Knicks, No Excuses.

They're supposed to be so deep and they still have their 3 best players which should be more than enough to get into the playoffs in this brutally bad conference.

This isn't like losing a Dwyane Wade.

I agree, no excuse. Although, I am also saying that the Heat has no excuse either. This is worst than Wade because that team is suppose to be so deep. Lets get the facts straight here and Shaq is suppose to be one of the 50 greatest centers. For once in his career he has to do what Ewing did his whole career and really carry his team as the only legit all-star. We shall see. The same with the Nets. I keep hearing how much Frank has it this year because of Kristic and RJ are out. Houston was out most of the 04 season and nobody wanted to give them a pass. Same should hold true for them. So I agree Isles no excuse for anyone.

You really want to compare losing your best player and one of the top 3 players in the game to losing Crawford?

How about a little perspective.
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2/27/2007  2:23 PM
I think if we were actually coached the right way all season the team would be at 500 but isiah has been using the wrong combinations all season long.

1. He really dropped the ball with Frye, and made him a lost soul to try to show dolan that eddy was worth all the trouble, Frye has floated around the perimeter and his rebounding has suffered as has his shooting percentage.
2. Starting Marbury and Francis
3. Not starting David Lee
4. Giving Crawford the eternal green light
5. Turnovers and technicals
6. No emphasis on defense
7. Starting Jerome James
8. Not playing Balkman over jefferies
9. Never using Q in the post

We have a deeper team than miami when one of their stars is down, they don't have that deep of a team and are slow and old, there is a reason their guards didn't embarras us.

I think in all of the excuse making (we can't play in front of a hostile crowd, the fans don't know what i know, give us time, etc), putting the blame in different places, and telling us how important jefferies was, Isiah forgot that he needs to focus on taking care of the ball, playing defense and using the right combination of players.....
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2/27/2007  2:23 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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Part of the NBA--good teams have to deal with it. I dont want to go over the many examples--like amare stoudemire out for a year and Phoenix still wins 60 games yada yada. Win or shut up.


How about when the Cavs lost Larry Hughes last yr for a huge chunk of games due to injuries and personal problems and still made the playoffs as a strong seed. How about this yr's Lakers losing Lamar Odom for 17gms while holding down the 5th and 6th seed in a very comeptitive Western Conference. What about the Rockets losing Yao Ming for 29gms while holding down 5th and 6th seed ditto Lakers. What about the Wizards losing Jamison 10gms and counting but still maintain the second best record in the Eastern Conference. What about the Nets losing Kristic and Jefferson a combined 55gms and counting staying within reach of an 8th to 7th seed. What about the Hornets losing Chris Paul, David West, Peja Stojacovich a combined 87gms and within 1 gm of a playoff spot. I won't bother to mention Miami.


I don't feel sympathy for the team losing Jamal vs feeling sympathy for Jamal personally.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-27-2007 1:04 PM]

Not making excuses, but who on the Knicks can carry a team for stretches like Kobe?

Who can carry this team like Lebron? TMac? Arenas? Kidd? Carter?

[Edited by - bigbeast on 02-27-2007 2:26 PM]
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2/27/2007  2:25 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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I agree, no excuse.

This is worst than Wade

You violated your statement in the next sentence. How is the Knicks losing Chuckford worse than the Heat losing finals MVP Dwayne Wade???

So now Shaq is just a role player? The Heat is suppose to the be the better team with or without Wade. Correct? Knicks put together a bunch of guys who have low BB IQ. You can't have the Heat challenging for the Eastern Conference finals one moment then give them a built-in excuse the next because Wade goes down. As I mentioned you can't call Shaq an all-star one moment and then say without Wade they have an excuse. If there are no "superstars" on the Knicks then every contribution counts. Its either or. Either Shaq is a true Superstar/HOF player and can overcome not having the likes of Wade to win the 8th playoff spot in a weak conference. Remember Ewing did that in his sleep on a regular basis.

So you agree with me about how I've felt about the Knicks all this time, right?

Just say yes and explain how badly they have been put together, then we can continue this conversation.
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2/27/2007  2:26 PM
If you are listening to Mike and the Mad Dog they just summed up the Nets season. Even without RJ and Kristic. You have Kidd and Carter. You shouldn't be trying to hold off the Knicks for the 8th spot. No excuses for any team. Knicks, Nets and Heat. Hell I am going to throw in Orlando too. Another team that has gotten a pass too.
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2/27/2007  2:27 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Solace:
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I agree, no excuse.

This is worst than Wade

You violated your statement in the next sentence. How is the Knicks losing Chuckford worse than the Heat losing finals MVP Dwayne Wade???

So now Shaq is just a role player? The Heat is suppose to the be the better team with or without Wade. Correct? Knicks put together a bunch of guys who have low BB IQ. You can't have the Heat challenging for the Eastern Conference finals one moment then give them a built-in excuse the next because Wade goes down. As I mentioned you can't call Shaq an all-star one moment and then say without Wade they have an excuse. If there are no "superstars" on the Knicks then every contribution counts. Its either or. Either Shaq is a true Superstar/HOF player and can overcome not having the likes of Wade to win the 8th playoff spot in a weak conference. Remember Ewing did that in his sleep on a regular basis.

Wade is a SUPERSTAR. Yes, the Heat should make the playoffs. I never excused them from that, so if you think I did, you're getting me confused with someone else. But they are excused from doing much past that if they wind up missing their best player for any stretch of the playoffs.
& dude, the Heat won the championships last season w/this same team... even if you take D Wade out of their rotation you'd expect them to at least nab a #8 seed... i don't want to hear any excuses if they don't make it now if you're going to hold the Knicks to that type of standard.

same goes for the Nets... all i ever hear out of you & others is how much better J Kidd & Vince are than any other player we have... if those 2 are elite level talent, you'd expect them to carry that team to a playoff berth also... all your constant whining about how bad our talent is, & then you switch stance as soon as an injury happens to 1 of our guys, who you have gone on record as saying is the most inconsistent & maddening player on this team, & now all of a sudden this team is deep with talent & there's no excuse for them not making the playoffs.

in the words of TMS, STFU.

I mentioned the Heat above; I think there's been a misunderstanding, since I've rarely talked about the Heat, nor given them a pass. As for the Nets, they've been shorthanded all season, all of their injures have been among their top four players, and at times they've been missing two of their top four players. The equivalent of the injuries the Nets had this season would be David Lee going down for the season and various injuries among the others. Quite frankly, the Nets might not make the playoffs if they stayed healthy, as Toronto has been playing so well.. but I didn't anticipate Toronto advancing this quickly. Aside from Toronto's success, I felt the Nets were the best team in a very weak division.

The Nets clearly need to rebuild now, as they're getting older and are missing an essential piece that they won't be able to acquire without making some moves. However, that being said, it's not unreasonable, going into the season, to think that the Nets would be a 45-50 win team.
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2/27/2007  2:31 PM
bobs3304 - may you have someone wish you the same "good" on your next injury
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2/27/2007  2:31 PM
Listen everyone says how good eddy curry is show us, if the fat bastard tried like he did for the first three quarters there is not a center in the league that can stop him, but he goes to sleep for long stretches and doesn't give the effort, he had 0pts 1rb in the fourth and got owned by Mourning.

And if you have been watching the heat all season, they are in the playoffs right now and have played without shaq for more than half of the season and will play without wade for more than half of the season, jason williams missed a lot of time as well. Are they not making the playoffs? No they will but to say they won the championship with that team last year and discount the fact that payton is on his last legs, posey and walker came in out of shape and aren't that good to begin with is just making excuses. Shaq is just playing into shape and once he is at full stregnth i still see the heat advancing. They will not make excuses like Isiah......

If you want to compare the nets situation go ahead, but the fact that they bend the knicks over every time they play them is disgraceful. Kidd and Carter are allstars but outside of that they don't have a big on the team, we do, we have decent guards, they don't have decent bigs, collins is one of the worst starters in the league and cliff robinson has nothing in the tank and they still have more wins than us, using eddie house and nacbar off their bench.

THe knicks have underachieved all season and isiah and dolan have everyone thinking that making the playoffs is some huge accomplishment. Its not half the conference has been injured....

The Bucks, Celtics, Heat and Nets are all banged up and they were teams that were predicted to finish ahead of the Knicks this season so they have had their luck so far and still have not capitalized on it. The Magic are awful, and lets not act like the there are good teams in the east
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