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djsunyc
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1/29/2007  7:30 PM
Posted by 4949:

If this isn't thought out logically and followed through, we will have to start all over again and even that's going to take another 7 or 8 years. You got to let this team grow and find the pieces in the right way and stop all of this rediculous spending and panicking.

that's if you believe in the pieces already here. i fear that we are going the way of indiana - perpetual 41-47 win team, make the playoffs, may make the 2nd round and then call it a season. aspirations of titles are completely out the window. at least not until we win the lotto and keep that pick and draft a superstar.
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1/29/2007  7:30 PM
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Posted by 4949:

We have to wait for some of these contracts to run out. That's why it's going to take a few more years to make us better then what we are right now. We can't build through the draft. Apparently, Zeke is not allowed to make anymore trades, and Dolan isn't dishing out anymore free bucks for injured or non-productive players anymore, so there is no other way to do it. Just wait.

What are we waiting for? We are never bad enough to get a good lotto pick and James Dolan has never let contracts run out. Are we waiting for the 2nd coming?

This goes to the GM's of this team. For instance, if we did not go after starbury, Curry, Crawford, Q, JJ, Francis, if we just held off for another year or so, we could have had a few superstars on this team. Every time we get a chance, the GM is either making a dopy azz pick up or forced to make moves to satisfy our impatience. We need to wait for the right time to make the right moves in the right situation. You can't continue to spend like this. We're getting nothing' in return on this team. We are the most expensive team in most sports put together and we can't even play .500 ball. That's what I'm talking about here.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/29/2007  7:33 PM
^ Ya so what's your point?


You're basically admitting we suck and have no franchise cornerstrone, yet you like Curry and back him at the same time?

Saying we need to "stay pat"?


Stay pat for WHAT???


So we can miss the playoffs in the worst division in basketball every year while Isiah shovels **** into our brains giving us false hope about our supposed "dominant" big man?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  7:35 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by 4949:

We have to wait for some of these contracts to run out. That's why it's going to take a few more years to make us better then what we are right now. We can't build through the draft. Apparently, Zeke is not allowed to make anymore trades, and Dolan isn't dishing out anymore free bucks for injured or non-productive players anymore, so there is no other way to do it. Just wait.

What are we waiting for? We are never bad enough to get a good lotto pick and James Dolan has never let contracts run out. Are we waiting for the 2nd coming?

This goes to the GM's of this team. For instance, if we did not go after starbury, Curry, Crawford, Q, JJ, Francis, if we just held off for another year or so, we could have had a few superstars on this team. Every time we get a chance, the GM is either making a dopy azz pick up or forced to make moves to satisfy our impatience. We need to wait for the right time to make the right moves in the right situation. You can't continue to spend like this. We're getting nothing' in return on this team. We are the most expensive team in most sports put together and we can't even play .500 ball. That's what I'm talking about here.

Just to be clear, I agree with you that is the way to go but it's never going to happen. I don't think its been dopy GM's that have made those trades, I believe they made them with Dolan's mandate.
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1/29/2007  7:36 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by 4949:

We have to wait for some of these contracts to run out. Just wait.

Wait?

Wait for what?

For Lebron to opt out of a max contract next time around?


That's so not happening it's not even funny.

But we'll never know either, unless we are in a position to offer a LeBron a big contract, right?! He's not going to come to New York, if guys like starbury are making something like 16 to 18 mil a year now is he? What is it you guys don't see in the mathematics here? It's so damn simple and no one seems to be able to figure it out. Look at other teams who struggle, waiting to put it all together with the right moves, at the right time. I hate to say it, but the bulls are a perfect example of wait and build properly. They don't go spending rediculous amounts of money on just anyone, do they?! No they don't!!! They wait and look at them, they have the second most wins in our conference, 1/2 game behind Detroit for the lead. They built through the draft, conserved they're money and made a few big pick-ups. But noooooooooo, not us! We just take anything that comes along and spend it all on them. We don't wait for a LeBron or a Bryant to make a pitch. We lock it all up and when the opportunities come, we have nothing to offer. It's so simple to figure out and you guys sit here asking me 'waiting for what'? Are you kidding!!!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/29/2007  7:38 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ Ya so what's your point?


You're basically admitting we suck and have no franchise cornerstrone, yet you like Curry and back him at the same time?

Saying we need to "stay pat"?


Stay pat for WHAT???


So we can miss the playoffs in the worst division in basketball every year while Isiah shovels **** into our brains giving us false hope about our supposed "dominant" big man?

I back him for certain reasons. And if they're is a better reason to let him go, then I'm willing to do that, if it makes the Knicks better.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/29/2007  7:39 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by bobs3304:

^ Ya so what's your point?


You're basically admitting we suck and have no franchise cornerstrone, yet you like Curry and back him at the same time?

Saying we need to "stay pat"?


Stay pat for WHAT???


So we can miss the playoffs in the worst division in basketball every year while Isiah shovels **** into our brains giving us false hope about our supposed "dominant" big man?

I back him for certain reasons. And if they're is a better reason to let him go, then I'm willing to do that, if it makes the Knicks better.

what if we move him and crawford in salary dump deals so we can make a pitch to lebron/wade/bosh/melo in 2010? curry and crawford are on the books for $10+ mil a piece that year.
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1/29/2007  7:39 PM
I would keep Curry for the time being. A running team doesn't run on every posession - a majority of possessions are still half-court. And Curry would be useful there.

Lewis would make our offense very good, with improvements both in half-court sets and on the break. A deal involving Crawford, Nate, and the Bull's pick would be interesting for both teams. Probably more interesting for ours.

Alternatively, Tyson Chandler would be a good pick-up, although I'm not sure how attainable he'd be for a scrum package of Q, Frye and a future 1st rounder.

A fantasy line-up below where we get both:

Marbury Francis
Balkman Q
Lewis
Chandler Lee
Curry

I'd say that team is a legitimate contender.
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1/29/2007  7:39 PM
What exactly is your "certain reasons"?


And guy --- youre not as ingenius as you let on.


EVERYONE and their mother on this site understands the payroll like the back of their head, me included.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  7:41 PM
Just to be clear, I agree with you that is the way to go but it's never going to happen. I don't think its been dopy GM's that have made those trades, I believe they made them with Dolan's mandate.

It never happens because no one ever makes it happen, no one seems to believe it can happen, no one says anything about it, like I'm trying to do, so we create this viscious circle and live by it. What do you' think?
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1/29/2007  7:42 PM
^ You mean this "vicious circle" created by James Dolan and perpetuated by Scotty Layden, Steve Mills, Isiah Thomas, and Dane Cook?


Ya dude, we know.

It's OLD news.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 01-29-2007 7:43 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  7:43 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by bobs3304:

^ Ya so what's your point?


You're basically admitting we suck and have no franchise cornerstrone, yet you like Curry and back him at the same time?

Saying we need to "stay pat"?


Stay pat for WHAT???


So we can miss the playoffs in the worst division in basketball every year while Isiah shovels **** into our brains giving us false hope about our supposed "dominant" big man?

I back him for certain reasons. And if they're is a better reason to let him go, then I'm willing to do that, if it makes the Knicks better.

what if we move him and crawford in salary dump deals so we can make a pitch to lebron/wade/bosh/melo in 2010? curry and crawford are on the books for $10+ mil a piece that year.

Dude' I would take that deal in a second. It hits right on what I'm trying to say about waiting. 2010 is three season's away. PERFECT!!! That's sounds like one senario that I am trying to point out, by just simply waiting for these contracts to either end or end, to be able to make that kind of deal.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/29/2007  7:45 PM
^ That's horse****.

James Dolan will NEVER EVER let us tank like that.

He didn't do it 6 years ago, and he won't let us now.


I thought you knew this?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  7:45 PM
please stop quoting me people's PER ratings and go watch some games.

Lewis isnt helping
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1/29/2007  7:47 PM
Posted by fishmike:

please stop quoting me people's PER ratings and go watch some games.

Lewis isnt helping

Dude PER is a good way of measuring a players efficiency and usefullness to a team.


The better players in the league have a higher PER, it's not shocking.


Lewis WOULD help. He's an amazing shooter. We're one of the worst teams from 3-PT.


And for all of Curry's "dominance" down low.....he's only scoring 19 ppg, and his FT % sucks.


Add to that his turnovers, fouls, and non-existance on defense in the most important area of the court (the paint), and you have a problem...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  7:48 PM
I agree we shouldn't do a straight up trade, I'd love to get 1 of their draft picks.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  7:50 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

What exactly is your "certain reasons"?


And guy --- youre not as ingenius as you let on.


EVERYONE and their mother on this site understands the payroll like the back of their head, me included.

The fact that Curry is the best we are going to have right now in the center. He's the best we have to support that. His rise is a big part of us having a better season this year, I know it's not the best and probably never will be, but as long as he's our center, he's it for now. And if we can keep him, he could be a good compliment.

I never said I was ingenius. I'm just trying to make a point. I been through this three times and can see that time is important and not to rush to judgement on the way we build this team. I been there, before Ewing came along, I been there when Houston years came along and now we are going through it again, with this team that is so young, but still struggling, wondering if it is' going to get any better. If there is a new team coming in about two or three years, I'd gladly wait, but we can't make any big sigings as of yet. One is, we cannot anyway, because the money is tied up and if we do, it has to be legit. I want legit on this team from now on. Legit or nothing. I'll wait. Save the money and wait. Very simple math. I don't mean to sound like I'm some kind of braino guy, but come on man' you got to agree with that? Let's all keep it together and stay on the same page.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/29/2007  7:51 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ You mean this "vicious circle" created by James Dolan and perpetuated by Scotty Layden, Steve Mills, Isiah Thomas, and Dane Cook?


Ya dude, we know.

It's OLD news.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 01-29-2007 7:43 PM]

It's old news? Then what's your' point?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/29/2007  7:53 PM
^ What's yours?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  7:53 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ That's horse****.

James Dolan will NEVER EVER let us tank like that.

He didn't do it 6 years ago, and he won't let us now.


I thought you knew this?

I really don't know what to say about you, other than you seem to lost any faith in the development of this team. Am I right or am I wrong?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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