Very Biased Poll there...

bottom line when judging isiah thomas:
do you feel this team is being built towards an nba title?

Not at this time I don't think they're building to win a title; but are building to try to get back to being an NBA elite. These things take time; especially dealing with the Knicks cap situation.



if the answer is yes - then he stays.

Doesn't this make this a two part selection then? Are you asking is he building a title; or do we want him to stay? two different situations; but one underline motive.




if the answer is no - then he goes.

Once again; it's a two part selection. I may not think he's building a title team right now; but do I want him to be gone right now? What do the two have to do with each other? Maybe in the near or not so far future something might turn around; and we want Isiah to be around. It's one thing to be a hater on somebody; but can we have an unbiased poll?


Why not just ask the question or poll of: do we want Isaih to stay or go? Why does there have to be stipulations that are geared to the most likely answer of "no". Every team in the NBA is not building to win a title; but are looking to build to be competitive "first" & foremost.




the ONLY objective should be building towards a title.

Tell that to the cellar dwellers that are down there year in and year out. You mean to tell me that every year the Hawks fans/organization/& players have the notion that they're building at the start of a season to win a title? Or are they first trying to get good enough to be in the hearts & minds of talented free agents and quality coaches.

So I guess it's on a different level with the Knicks and Isaih Thomas. That's not very unbiased.




not building to making the playoffs. not building to sell out the arena.

Most know very well that the Knicks initial goals are to build to make the playoffs. So if another GM comes in here to replace Thomas (and a new coach); then they should not be looked at initially to make this team improve; but build right from the start to win the title? definitely this is biased.



but legitimately building a team to win a title.

The upper echelon teams are "building" to win titles. There's only been a hand full of teams that have done so the past couple of years. The middle of the road teams are building to catch the elite teams; and the floundering teams are building to be competitive & reach the playoffs.

How do the woefull Knicks jump over all the other under achieving teams; and the middle of the road teams; and the NBA Elites, and contend for a title (or get rid of the GM/coach)?


BTW... I voted yes; just to help balance out this biased poll. While I don't think this team is currently being built to win a title; I don't think Isaih should be gone right away because some fans hate on him.

So yes... he stays (which is what this poll is really about... should he stay or should he go).

Go Knicks!!!


[Edited by - NJK on 01-12-2007 02:50 AM]

Posted by NJK:

Very Biased Poll there...

bottom line when judging isiah thomas:
do you feel this team is being built towards an nba title?

Not at this time I don't think they're building to win a title; but are building to try to get back to being an NBA elite. These things take time; especially dealing with the Knicks cap situation.



if the answer is yes - then he stays.

Doesn't this make this a two part selection then? Are you asking is he building a title; or do we want him to stay? two different situations; but one underline motive.




if the answer is no - then he goes.

Once again; it's a two part selection. I may not think he's building a title team right now; but do I want him to be gone right now? What do the two have to do with each other? Maybe in the near or not so far future something might turn around; and we want Isiah to be around. It's one thing to be a hater on somebody; but can we have an unbiased poll?


Why not just ask the question or poll of: do we want Isaih to stay or go? Why does there have to be stipulations that are geared to the most likely answer of "no". Every team in the NBA is not building to win a title; but are looking to build to be competitive "first" & foremost.




the ONLY objective should be building towards a title.

Tell that to the cellar dwellers that are down there year in and year out. You mean to tell me that every year the Hawks fans/organization/& players have the notion that they're building at the start of a season to win a title? Or are they first trying to get good enough to be in the hearts & minds of talented free agents and quality coaches.

So I guess it's on a different level with the Knicks and Isaih Thomas. That's not very unbiased.




not building to making the playoffs. not building to sell out the arena.

Most know very well that the Knicks initial goals are to build to make the playoffs. So if another GM comes in here to replace Thomas (and a new coach); then they should not be looked at initially to make this team improve; but build right from the start to win the title? definitely this is biased.



but legitimately building a team to win a title.

The upper echelon teams are "building" to win titles. There's only been a hand full of teams that have done so the past couple of years. The middle of the road teams are building to catch the elite teams; and the floundering teams are building to be competitive & reach the playoffs.

How do the woefull Knicks jump over all the other under achieving teams; and the middle of the road teams; and the NBA Elites, and contend for a title (or get rid of the GM/coach)?


BTW... I voted yes; just to help balance out this biased poll. While I don't think this team is currently being built to win a title; I don't think Isaih should be gone right away because some fans hate on him.

So yes... he stays (which is what this poll is really about... should he stay or should he go).

Go Knicks!!!


[Edited by - NJK on 01-12-2007 02:50 AM]

how is this a biased poll? shouldn't the objective of the gm of your favorite team be to win a title? and i ask whether he was on his way doing that?

look at the results? this is probably the most EVEN poll this board has ever seen.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Andrew:

By 22 / 10 rebs don't you mean 22 / 7 rebs?

Hater

Only a hater would be interested in the truth.

yes, that's what I mean.

What's the vote so far?

[Edited by - babyknicks on 01-12-2007 10:29 AM]

Posted by babyKnicks:

Posted by kam77:

Thick-headed? OK. I accept that. But its also hard to have a conversation when so many here are just so jaded (minds were made up before the season even began) and beyond reasonable discourse.

If i sound thick-headed its cuz i feel like most everyone here is as well. The level of name-calling is ridiculous. Someone disagreeing with me is fine, but the personal attacks lead to a combative environment.

see responses to my posts from the one poster that seems to continue to confuse me with someone else.

STFU already

Posted by babyKnicks:

why are you hating on me, what did I do?

You created a name and started posting here.

Again

And again

And again

And again

Posted by Bippity10:

DJ don't sweat it. Some are just very sensitive to anything that could possibly have a negative answer. Good poll.

sensitive is a good word.

i'm actually pleasantly surprised by the poll. more people actually do believe in what's going on here. i think that's a good thing. it means we'll have some good back and forth here for a while. i just wish all the "believers" would be more vocal.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Bippity10:

DJ don't sweat it. Some are just very sensitive to anything that could possibly have a negative answer. Good poll.

sensitive is a good word.

i'm actually pleasantly surprised by the poll. more people actually do believe in what's going on here. i think that's a good thing. it means we'll have some good back and forth here for a while. i just wish all the "believers" would be more vocal.

Don't count on it. The "yes" total was inflated by a bunch of deaf, dumb, mute and blind people. It's the only possible explanation.

we try, but it's tough.

Thinking about how long it takes to become a contender, I'm extremely encouraged by the knicks current offense/defense balance.
I was reading the Detroit web site and seeing how they were able to put together their back to back titles and there were a few parallels...

http://www.nba.com/pistons/history/1980s.html

It is often said that building championships takes time. For the Pistons, it had been 30 years, when William Davidson handed the reigns of the franchise to Jack McCloskey in December 1979. The team would hit rock bottom during the 1979-80 season, with a franchise worst 16-66 record. The season culminated with the Pistons trading the franchise’s all-time leading scorer and rebounder, Bob Lanier to Milwaukee for Kent Benson and a first round draft pick.

how long has it been since the knicks won a title...and last year was the worst ever.

Though the road would be long, McCloskey began laying a foundation for success. After being turned down by Sixers assistant coach Chuck Daly, the team hired Scotty Robertson as head coach. The season was marred by injuries to Bob McAdoo, John Long and Kent Benson. The team finished the season with a record of 21-61, but the most important outcome of the season was the Pistons number two pick in the 1981 NBA Draft.

In a span of nine months, “Trader Jack” would change the future of the franchise. He drafted All-American Isiah Thomas from Indiana and Kelly Tripucka out of Notre Dame. He also traded for two players underutilized on their rosters, Bill Laimbeer and Vinnie Johnson. The team would finish with a record of 39-43, two more wins than the previous two years combined. Attendance set a new record of 406,317 fans and Thomas and Tripucka would highlight their rookie seasons with trips to the All-Star Game.

Trader Jack...trader Zeke. Crawford/Curry anyone?
I'd take an 18 game improvement. btw...did anyone see pardon the interruption yesterday? Kornheiser, "the knicks have 0% chance of finishing .500, if they do, Isiah is HANDS DOWN coach of the year".

The Pistons now had the offensive firepower to become a contender, but the 1982-83 season showed that even in the NBA, you have to play defense. The Pistons gave up an average of 113.1 points per game, sealing the fate of coach Scotty Robertson. The team finished with a record of 37-45, but optimism filled the locker room.

there is no doubt we have enough offense and the defensive pieces added in the last year are slowly filling in the cracks.

The 1983-84 Pistons would turn another corner on their championship drive. McCloskey hired a relatively inexperienced head coach from Cleveland named Chuck Daly.

isiah anyone, or maybe who get's hired next...

...

The Pistons would begin the 1986-87 season with four new players: John Salley, a 6’11” center from Georgia tech, Dennis Rodman, a 6’8” forward from tiny Southeast Oklahoma State, two-time NBA scoring champion Adrian Dantley, and rebounder Sidney Green. Though the roster would take time to develop

Insert Frye, Balkman, Lee and QRich (I know qrich is a stretch...oh well, the comparisons kind of end here, to read more see the link

http://www.nba.com/pistons/history/1980s.html

But what I'm saying is that this was happening in the 3rd or 4th year of rebuilding and Isiah saw it happening.
He knows that there is no way to build a contender over night, but he also knows what pieces are needed and how it can be done.

Just a thought. (and my opinion)

just trying to be more vocal.


[Edited by - babyknicks on 01-12-2007 11:14 AM]

you get a bigger response screaming FIRE than you would screaming HOORAY.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by babyKnicks:

you get a bigger response screaming FIRE than you would screaming HOORAY.

Interesting point.

I still think this pool was rigged, though.

Honestly, I had the same thought today as well...I was SHOCKED at the results.