i'll admit i do like MW's big shot hitting potential... from the limited games i've watched him play, he's shown that he has big game value... but i've also seen some big defensive plays from Balkman in crunchtime that give me high hopes for him also.
i personally feel this is about personal preference... i wanted a hustle, dirty work type player that could make an impact on games w/o even showing up on the statsheet & that would electrify the garden, & i think we got one in Balkman... i think he's got a good future here w/the Knicks, & that's not something i really expected to get out of a #20 overall pick in the draft to be honest... whether MW would've had a big future here or not is debateable considering the fact that Marbury's IT's boy & that we already had Jamal, Francis & Nate here competing for minutes as well... if Isiah were gone & we had gotten rid of Marbury & Francis, the obvious choice would be to take MW... but again, that's all dealing w/the what ifs & woulda shouldas... the reality of the situation is that we needed a player like Balkman in a bad way, & Isiah went out & got one.
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Deron's rookie yr hmmm.... I would say Marcus Williams is better.
Marcus Williams is not even close to being as good as Deron Williams in his rookie year: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3929/gamelog;_ylt=AuXXUynJ7gDlnQ9aRU1mYsekvLYF?year=2005
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are their situation similar? Do they get the same minutes? Do they have similar teammates? Are their roles similar?
Actually Martin, per 48 minutes Marcus averages more points, rebs and assists than Deron did in his rookie year. Based on those numbers I'm not sure how one could say that Marcus wasn't even close to being as good as Deron last year. Of course Deron wasn't behind a future Hall of Fame PG, so there were more minutes available to him.
If you base Marcus' numbers on the 35 minutes per game that Deron is getting this year, I'm sure Marcus would offer very similar production.
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Actually Martin, per 48 minutes Marcus averages more points, rebs and assists than Deron did in his rookie year. Based on those numbers I'm not sure how one could say that Marcus wasn't even close to being as good as Deron last year. Of course Deron wasn't behind a future Hall of Fame PG, so there were more minutes available to him.
If you base Marcus' numbers on the 35 minutes per game that Deron is getting this year, I'm sure Marcus would offer very similar production.
it never ceases to amaze me how upbeat & positive you can be about making these types of speculative comments about players on other teams & yet so completely & utterly negative about similar comments if made about our own players.
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Actually Martin, per 48 minutes Marcus averages more points, rebs and assists than Deron did in his rookie year. Based on those numbers I'm not sure how one could say that Marcus wasn't even close to being as good as Deron last year. Of course Deron wasn't behind a future Hall of Fame PG, so there were more minutes available to him.
If you base Marcus' numbers on the 35 minutes per game that Deron is getting this year, I'm sure Marcus would offer very similar production.
it never ceases to amaze me how upbeat & positive you can be about making these types of speculative comments about players on other teams & yet so completely & utterly negative about similar comments if made about our own players.
Kind of makes you think huh...
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Actually Martin, per 48 minutes Marcus averages more points, rebs and assists than Deron did in his rookie year. Based on those numbers I'm not sure how one could say that Marcus wasn't even close to being as good as Deron last year. Of course Deron wasn't behind a future Hall of Fame PG, so there were more minutes available to him.
If you base Marcus' numbers on the 35 minutes per game that Deron is getting this year, I'm sure Marcus would offer very similar production.
it never ceases to amaze me how upbeat & positive you can be about making these types of speculative comments about players on other teams & yet so completely & utterly negative about similar comments if made about our own players.
Wait, you mean it doesn't necessarily work this way???
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Williams is more talented than Balkman, Williams has more potential than Balkman. Williams was considerd a lottery talent pick in a weak draft up top. While Balkman wasn't even consider for the first rd though the back end of the draft was supposed to be solid.
Williams will probably end up being the better player.
But I don't know if he is worthy of being cried over. Rondo, Lowery both seem like they can be good PGs down the road to. And Mardy Collins as a 6'6 PG can end up being just as dangerous and any of them. If he would just get his confidence up.
As for Balkman there is no reason to limit this rookies development potential. He probably won't ever be able to shoot good. But whos to say he doesn't become a master of what he is already good at. Like rebounds, stls, blks, hustle plays, intangibles, dirty work, and a positive attitude.
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I continue to believe that Isiah never expected Williams to be available and that Balkman was his pick to let the world know what a draft guru he is. That being said I think he made a big mistake passing on Williams. The player he is most often compared to because of his court vision is Mark Jackson. Having a player of that caliber is a huge boost for any team and would have been great for the Knicks. I don't think it is fair to look at either of these guys based on their stats so far. Balkman is fighting for minutes in a very crowded front court while Williams backs up a future hall of famer. I think this will especially benefit Williams. He also reminds me of Jamaal Tinsley. I think Tinsley could have had a much more productive career if he wasn't thrust into a starting role so early.
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I continue to believe that Isiah never expected Williams to be available and that Balkman was his pick to let the world know what a draft guru he is. That being said I think he made a big mistake passing on Williams. The player he is most often compared to because of his court vision is Mark Jackson. Having a player of that caliber is a huge boost for any team and would have been great for the Knicks. I don't think it is fair to look at either of these guys based on their stats so far. Balkman is fighting for minutes in a very crowded front court while Williams backs up a future hall of famer. I think this will especially benefit Williams. He also reminds me of Jamaal Tinsley. I think Tinsley could have had a much more productive career if he wasn't thrust into a starting role so early.
I agree with that. Playing behind Kidd has to be a great education for him.
