Posted by oohah:

Posted by martin:

hol, I think you should separate out bad defenders (Curry) from not getting it defenders (Frye) to lack of experience defenders (Lee).

Lee ain't perfect but he aint that bad either. The other 2 leave a LOT to be desired.

So Frye (3 blocks last night) "doesn't get it" but David Lee has "lack of experience"? That my friend, is spin.

Lee is a slightly better man-to-man defensive player than Frye, when Lee is actually playing his man instead of looking for the rebound. However, Frye does much more ona team defense level, stepping over to shut down lanes with his length when we inevitably get beat outside, challenging shots, etc.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 04-01-2007 1:47 PM]

How can you site one statistical category on one night for Frye and think it disputes an argument? How about the night before when Lee almost out-rebounded the entire starting 5 and Frye had like 2 rebounds in 31 minutes and 0 blocked shots?

I see Frye doing less on a rotation, team defensive side of things than Lee. Plus, Lee's rebounding increase over last year leads me to believe that he is learning faster than Frye. Oh, Lee has a better steal rate too. And he gives up less points to his own man per game then Frye. Oh, and his on court/off court differential is MUCH better than Frye's.

Damn man, you look at 1 game stat and reply with that?

Posted by martin:

Damn man, you look at 1 game stat and reply with that?

martin gettin' gangsta...

Holfresh if you think IT is so great then how is he making such a brutal mistake in playing Lee more than Frye when Frye is a better defender? Guess it shows IT doenst know that much and I never played basketball and I have no idea what I am talking about

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

how did the Knicks win the game last night when all their players cancel out their offensive contributions w/their lack of defense? i guess Portland's players cancelled out their positives just a little more than the Knicks did? who contributed to the win last night if Curry didn't in your eyes Bonn? just curious.

I didn't see yesterday's game but I don't find sample sizes of 1 impressive anyway.

i'll try to answer your non-reply with this:

watching the games helps... but then again you think the Knicks would be better off trading Curry for a veteran defensive role playing C & a draft pick... i wonder if the Nets would be willing to part with Jason Collins & their 1st rounder for Curry? that would certainly vault this franchise to championship contention.

If the Blazers have a top 3 lotto pic, hell yeah I'm making that Magloire and their lotto pic for Curry trade. The Nets on the other hand, no.

a top 3 lottery pick is a long ways away from a "decent 1st round pick" i think... regardless, the simple point of this discussion is that people need to start appreciating these players for what they CAN do instead of constantly harping about what they CAN'T do.

we have a great young C w/unlimited offensive potential who's shown some good improvement this year... the logical move going forward is to surround him w/defensive minded front court players to help offset some of his defensive weaknesses... to consistently harp about the lack of defensive skills in our C & downplay his offensive strengths is just nitpicking at its finest... i'm willing to bet at least 3/4 of the teams in the NBA would love to have a young C like Curry to help form the nucleus of their future franchise.

Posted by King1:

Holfresh just want to let you know I won my 5th grade free throw shooting contest, so dont ever doubt my basketball knowledge

But did you win that contest in 8th grade again? If not, your posts mean nothing.

Posted by King1:

Then why is Frye time getting reduced and Lee is getting his minutes if his defense is better? the 3rd quarter run was on defense.

Lee has played better than anyone else on the team this year, so I would say that is why he is getting more minutes than Frye.

As for the third quarter vs. Portland, Curry, Marbury and Crawford were scoring very well, so better they should be playing with a rebounder rather than another scorer.

Lee positive does not have to equal Frye negative. As a matter of fact, I think they play great together.

oohah

Posted by King1:

I agree with you on that. I love Channing I jut know he can do better than what he is doing. I will always stand by this statement that either Lee or frye has to get traded to balance out the team. Trade one of them you can package with a bad contract and get a very good player

I agree with this fully.

Personally, I want to keep Lee and trade Frye, thats just me though. Package Frye and get back a really nice young wing who can shoot and defend his position and I think this team looks ALOT better. I said it last night, if you put Brandon Roy on this team right now, I have a absolutely different perception of the future because he is going to be an absolute keeper.

Posted by TMS:

Package Frye and get back a really nice young wing who can shoot and defend his position and I think this team looks ALOT better.

would you trade Frye & CHI's pick unprotected for Danny Granger?

I'd offer Frye for Granger straight up, but I bet Indy wants to keep Granger and move SJax.