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nyk4ever
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In the wake of all the threads that have been created recently about Eddy's scoring(which has been fantastic of late) is it enough for you that he scores points but doesn't do other things that centers are supposed to do? Things such as rebound, block shots, provide man to man defense as well as help defense, which is absolutely killing the Knicks. Although Eddy is scoring a ton of points, his presence on the court seems to be nullified because of his poor defensive habits and lack of effort on the defensive end. This is not a poll to bring down Eddy Curry, I'm just curious of the results, since it has been a hot topic on this forum lately and it's been widely debated by all who have participated.
Eddy's scoring is enough for me and his defense does not worry me
I don't care how many points Eddy scores, if he's not playing defense it's worthless
Who cares we're still losing games
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Silverfuel
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12/6/2006  1:05 AM
hahahahaha...
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12/6/2006  1:09 AM
You just finished saying you dont want me to interpret what you are saying because I can take it to mean any different thing. Just last night we left it with you telling me to stay literal with your posts. You just finished telling me to stop being figurative. You want me to stop putting words in your mouth until I find the exact same words right? So how can you, right after saying that want me to pick up on the sarcasm? I'm being literal remember?
Silver, if you would like to hold me to the standard where I can not exaggerate or joke around fine. As such, I will hold you to the exact same standard. That is cool with me.
Ok fine, I am nitpicking here but I have a reason. You made a quote and I spun it in a weird way. Isiah made a quote and you spin it any which way. What I am telling you is to stop losing your mind over a quote and letting it spin in your head cause being literal is dangerous.
Silver in case you missed it I was quite positive about the only Isiah quote I posted. I had nothing negative to say. It started going to crap when Anji decides to bring up that UK mafia crap. At which point I was concise that it is not only my opinion or the "UK Mafia's" opinion of Curry, that is just what Curry is right now. This thread doesn't even have to do with an Isiah quote.
How about something like, how will jeffries improve curry's defense? Will curry ever develop help D instincts?

I don't think Jefferies will have a sizeable impact on Curry's D because he is a good man defender on his own. I don't know about his help D, but I think Jefferies will be alot more comfortable on 2's through 4's than against 5's.

Will Curry ever develop his defense-Sure. If we get him the right coach I don't see why not. I still don't think a 6-6 undersized PF/SF can teach a big manlike Curry how to play big man D, but stranger things have happened.

BTW, I also think that is why Aguirre was so successful so quickly with Sweetney and it took a longer time with Curry.


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12/6/2006  1:10 AM
Posted by eViL:

Don't bother searching, Silver. I've found your evidence.
Posted by joec32033:

Every player on the Knicks sucks. Mark that down. Take it to the bank. I mean no innuendos here. They are all bona fide masters of sucktitude. Eddy Curry sucks worse that getting kicked in the balls + catching genital herpes x permanent dysentery. Make no mistake -- he sucks!!! Chisel this statement in stone and save it in the record books in case anyone ever calls me on it. If I deny it, may I be ridiculed on this board forever.

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12/6/2006  1:14 AM
oh man! joe, we are gonna do this over and over for many more years. Its a good thing we can do this but lemme tell you, its not possible to do this in Japan. Over there, everything is about Anime and Vending machines. Over there, they shock you with prods and stun guns if you talk basketball! Its a fact! You can google it.
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12/6/2006  1:15 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by eViL:

Don't bother searching, Silver. I've found your evidence.
Posted by joec32033:

Every player on the Knicks sucks. Mark that down. Take it to the bank. I mean no innuendos here. They are all bona fide masters of sucktitude. Eddy Curry sucks worse that getting kicked in the balls + catching genital herpes x permanent dysentery. Make no mistake -- he sucks!!! Chisel this statement in stone and save it in the record books in case anyone ever calls me on it. If I deny it, may I be ridiculed on this board forever.

Et tu, Brutus, Et tu?

HAHA!! Bro, I'm an equal-opportunity jokester.

Plus, if I can get on Silver's nice side, the Mafia will be able to infiltrate the Po Po...
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12/6/2006  1:16 AM
But please, in all seriousness, do not let me interfere with you guys' discussion. I'm just trying to add some laughs to all the serious talk.
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12/6/2006  1:17 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

oh man! joe, we are gonna do this over and over for many more years. Its a good thing we can do this but lemme tell you, its not possible to do this in Japan. Over there, everything is about Anime and Vending machines. Over there, they shock you with prods and stun guns if you talk basketball! Its a fact! You can google it.

LOL.....bro, I'm Sicilian, arguing is in my blood. However, I am really not ure I want to dig any deeper into how you know about the stun guns and cattle prod thing, but I'll take your word for it!
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12/6/2006  1:19 AM
The humor much appreciated eViL, especially the part where you found the quote. thats was clutch. I'm bookmarking it joe! I'll have it engraved on a medallion and send it to you as a holiday gift. In return, I will accept anything that says Allan Houston on it.
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12/6/2006  1:30 AM
Silver, I'ma send you an autographed flip book:

Allan hustles:

Allan plays D:

Allan rebounds:

and an autograph:
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12/6/2006  6:38 AM
None of the above on the poll. He's scoring well and I'd like to see him playing better d, but he's not worthless. He's just not a top player, in spite of his numbers, until he plays good d.
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12/6/2006  7:55 AM
Posted by Ira:

None of the above on the poll. He's scoring well and I'd like to see him playing better d, but he's not worthless. He's just not a top player, in spite of his numbers, until he plays good d.
agreed
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12/6/2006  9:43 AM
we have to face the reality of the situation, eddy curry is being featured and he's scoring the ball. he still provides nothing in the way of defense. so if we're committed to eddy, then we must find another interior defender to make up for his ineffectiveness in the paint. if eddy is going to be primarily a scorer, then find a complimentary piece.
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12/6/2006  10:10 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Eddy is coming on strong and his newfound confidence on offense is actually helping him to be more aggressive on D as well.

.35 blocks per game is apparently called "more aggressive on D". WOW.
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12/6/2006  10:11 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

we have to face the reality of the situation, eddy curry is being featured and he's scoring the ball. he still provides nothing in the way of defense. so if we're committed to eddy, then we must find another interior defender to make up for his ineffectiveness in the paint. if eddy is going to be primarily a scorer, then find a complimentary piece.

Building around a center who can't pass or play defense is not a smart way to build a team, though. You can get plenty of scoring from gaurds and SFs in this league. You really need tough defensive frontcourt players.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-06-2006 10:12 AM]
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12/6/2006  10:13 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

we have to face the reality of the situation, eddy curry is being featured and he's scoring the ball. he still provides nothing in the way of defense. so if we're committed to eddy, then we must find another interior defender to make up for his ineffectiveness in the paint. if eddy is going to be primarily a scorer, then find a complimentary piece.

Building around a center who can't pass or play defense is not a smart way to build a team, though. You can get plenty of scoring from gaurds and SFs in this league. You really need frontcourt players who aren't liabilities on defense.

Yep. That's why I say, gut the team, use our assets to get under the cap quick, and start a real plan. Our "best" players are Marbury, Francis and Curry. Look at that and you know why we need to start over. Get some good draft picks, have a shot at drafting a top college talent and signing a top free agent. Then there will be hope. The players past our top three are good, but not good enough to make us any better than a .500 team. That's a problem. We need a real star, not these phonies.
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12/6/2006  11:14 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

we have to face the reality of the situation, eddy curry is being featured and he's scoring the ball. he still provides nothing in the way of defense. so if we're committed to eddy, then we must find another interior defender to make up for his ineffectiveness in the paint. if eddy is going to be primarily a scorer, then find a complimentary piece.

Building around a center who can't pass or play defense is not a smart way to build a team, though. You can get plenty of scoring from gaurds and SFs in this league. You really need tough defensive frontcourt players.

the alternative is to bring in some tough, defensive minded players to surround your franchise C with, so he can focus on carrying the load on offense.

if we can trade Frye & get a shotblocker/enforcer to play alongside Curry, & you throw in the already acquired defensive minded frontcourt players like David Lee, Jefferies, Balkman, Q Rich, Cato, it's a start... then you look for a second star player via the draft or trade to share the scoring load, & you may have yourself the makings of an upper echelon team... the problem is we have 2 of the weakest defending perimeter G's in the game in Marbury & Francis starting in the backcourt, who are no longer scoring at a consistent clip... get rid of those guys & replace them w/2 way players to tighten up the perimeter defense... Crawford & Nate are good players to have off the bench to provide a spark, but we still are lacking that 2nd consistent scoring threat to go between Curry as the #1 option & Q Rich as the #3 along w/that shotblocking enforcer to patrol the lanes off the weakside.
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12/6/2006  11:51 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

we have to face the reality of the situation, eddy curry is being featured and he's scoring the ball. he still provides nothing in the way of defense. so if we're committed to eddy, then we must find another interior defender to make up for his ineffectiveness in the paint. if eddy is going to be primarily a scorer, then find a complimentary piece.

Building around a center who can't pass or play defense is not a smart way to build a team, though. You can get plenty of scoring from gaurds and SFs in this league. You really need tough defensive frontcourt players.

the alternative is to bring in some tough, defensive minded players to surround your franchise C with, so he can focus on carrying the load on offense.

if we can trade Frye & get a shotblocker/enforcer to play alongside Curry, & you throw in the already acquired defensive minded frontcourt players like David Lee, Jefferies, Balkman, Q Rich, Cato, it's a start... then you look for a second star player via the draft or trade to share the scoring load, & you may have yourself the makings of an upper echelon team... the problem is we have 2 of the weakest defending perimeter G's in the game in Marbury & Francis starting in the backcourt, who are no longer scoring at a consistent clip... get rid of those guys & replace them w/2 way players to tighten up the perimeter defense... Crawford & Nate are good players to have off the bench to provide a spark, but we still are lacking that 2nd consistent scoring threat to go between Curry as the #1 option & Q Rich as the #3 along w/that shotblocking enforcer to patrol the lanes off the weakside.
So if you were given a team to start from scratch, you'd seriously consider starting the franchise with a center who could score a ton but was awful at everything else and you would just try to surround him with the right talent? If someone offered me the opportunity to build a team under that scenario, I'd say it's the wrong foundation and you need to start again. You're getting what's not so important from the C position (points) and nothing of what is important. It's like I wouldn't build a team around a PG who was good at one category that wasn't so important for a PG (maybe 9 RPG) if he was one of the worst passers in the league and was bad in all other categories.
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12/6/2006  11:53 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

So if you were given a team to start from scratch

but the Knicks weren't a team where u could start from scratch... it was a team full of horrible longterm contracts, aging players & no quality youth to develop... so the question is moot for our discussion.

if i could start a team from scratch, i'd want Lebron James & Dwight Howard... who wouldn't?
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12/6/2006  11:57 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

So if you were given a team to start from scratch

but the Knicks weren't a team where u could start from scratch... it was a team full of horrible longterm contracts, aging players & no quality youth to develop... so the question is moot for our discussion.

if i could start a team from scratch, i'd want Lebron James & Dwight Howard... who wouldn't?
Well what I would like to do is buy out players, trade vets, and build toward cap room and build through the draft, but that's obviously not realistic with this franchise, this ownership, this GM, etc.. You might have been starting from the assumption that you couldn't do a real rebuild with this franchise, while I was talking in more "fantasy land" ideas about what I would do (a real rebuild from scratch) if I owned the team.
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12/6/2006  12:50 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Building around a center who can't pass or play defense is not a smart way to build a team, though. You can get plenty of scoring from gaurds and SFs in this league. You really need tough defensive frontcourt players.

Yeah it reminds me a bit of Cleveland building around Ilgauskas. It was good for a lot of 30 win seasons, and eventually one so bad (17 wins) it netted them the #1 pick in Lebron. But for management that finds 30 wins intolerable, and who trade away most of their own picks, it's probably not the best way to go.
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