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12/4/2006  5:37 PM
I didn't know that was what you meant the first time. I agree to some extent but I also think Curry's instincts would look better (or at least wouldn't be as much of a liability) if he was in shape and quicker.
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12/4/2006  5:45 PM
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How many guys average 10-12 rebounds and 2-3 blocks? 2? 3?

People just set the bar too high on this guy in a way to bash him for not reaching these standards.
Compare Curry's gifted body to those who do average those #s. Now give me one legit reason Curry should not be in that same group?


Curry is no where close to the explosive leaper 1 of those guys is (Howard) nor is he 7 feet 6 inchs tall like the other guy (Yao).
There are plenty of guys as tall or taller than Curry who have atheltic bodies. You cant just look at somebodies build and decide they should put up xyz numbers. Thats really insane. There are 6-10 guys that are career 4 rebound players.

You don't have to be "explosive" to grab rebounds and block shots, although Curry would be much more explosive if he lost 20 pounds of fat anyway. Guys like Boozer, Randolph, Shaq are not explosive but are double digit reboundeers.


You said 10-12rebs and 2-3 blocks. None of the players you just mentioned are currently giving that combination

I'd gladly settle for one of the two with this guy although he should be getting both and don't come back with a rounding error like 9.4 RPG.


Why should he get both? There are 2-3 guys in the league with both. You bahs Curry left and right but then expect him to be at the very eliete of stats for big men? Thats just setting him up to fail. If he gets us 18-8-1 then thats a very solid center in this league
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/4/2006  6:57 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
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How many guys average 10-12 rebounds and 2-3 blocks? 2? 3?

People just set the bar too high on this guy in a way to bash him for not reaching these standards.
Compare Curry's gifted body to those who do average those #s. Now give me one legit reason Curry should not be in that same group?


Curry is no where close to the explosive leaper 1 of those guys is (Howard) nor is he 7 feet 6 inchs tall like the other guy (Yao).
There are plenty of guys as tall or taller than Curry who have atheltic bodies. You cant just look at somebodies build and decide they should put up xyz numbers. Thats really insane. There are 6-10 guys that are career 4 rebound players.

You don't have to be "explosive" to grab rebounds and block shots, although Curry would be much more explosive if he lost 20 pounds of fat anyway. Guys like Boozer, Randolph, Shaq are not explosive but are double digit reboundeers.


You said 10-12rebs and 2-3 blocks. None of the players you just mentioned are currently giving that combination

I'd gladly settle for one of the two with this guy although he should be getting both and don't come back with a rounding error like 9.4 RPG.


Why should he get both? There are 2-3 guys in the league with both. You bahs Curry left and right but then expect him to be at the very eliete of stats for big men? Thats just setting him up to fail. If he gets us 18-8-1 then thats a very solid center in this league
Then he'd be Stephon Marbury with one less field goal/game. I think you're overrating points and rebounds when they're just two out of many components of the game. If Curry gets 18 and 8 but still plays poor man-to-man and help defense, can't pass the ball and can't block shots, then he isn't a very solid center.



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Please do....and don't email them, post them right here. Expose me as a hypocrite. I know I never said anything like that because saying a player sucks is 5th grade stuff. When I post, I always say specifically what a player is good at and what a players is bad at. I NEVER generalize by saying a player "sucks". Please search away and post whatever posts you find where I specifically say Curry sucks, and post them here.
I will post it and show what a hypocrite you are. It was a game thread, I forget what game but since its only been 20 games, I should be able to find it. I wish there was a search feature to make my life easier. Its fine though. Just finding it still wont prove anything cause you will backpedal and say something like "i meant this" etc. You will still find something to be negative about with the Curry or Isiah. Fact is, you, me and every other Knick fan would kill for an offensive post player like Eddy.

Everyone and their mother wants Eddy to play defense so don't act like you are in a small group or something. Who wouldn't want the center to be defensive? Someone people are opposed to the idea of giving props for offensive consistency. Others are ready to wait and see with his defense. I'll find that quote and post it on this thread for you as soon as I find it. I wonder if it will do anything though. You still wont change your point of view.
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12/4/2006  8:40 PM
Who is opposed to the idea of giving Eddy props for offensive consistency? I think every person on this forum has said that they are happy with Eddy's offense this year. Some people are NOT willing to settle though. Just because Eddy is scoring a lot of points should not mask the fact that his defense has not been good and that he's giving back the points he's scoring.
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12/4/2006  8:48 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Who is opposed to the idea of giving Eddy props for offensive consistency? I think every person on this forum has said that they are happy with Eddy's offense this year. Some people are NOT willing to settle though. Just because Eddy is scoring a lot of points should not mask the fact that his defense has not been good and that he's giving back the points he's scoring.
I wish some people would look for positive signs in his game to see that he is improving. You have absolutely no patience in Eddy. Do you think he cannot improve his game at all? Don't you think he can become a better defensive player as the year goes on? Thats what everyone is saying. The "some" that are "not willing to settle" have to wait and see. There is a difference between settling and having patience.
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12/4/2006  8:52 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
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Who is opposed to the idea of giving Eddy props for offensive consistency? I think every person on this forum has said that they are happy with Eddy's offense this year. Some people are NOT willing to settle though. Just because Eddy is scoring a lot of points should not mask the fact that his defense has not been good and that he's giving back the points he's scoring.
I wish some people would look for positive signs in his game to see that he is improving. You have absolutely no patience in Eddy. Do you think he cannot improve his game at all? Don't you think he can become a better defensive player as the year goes on? Thats what everyone is saying. The "some" that are "not willing to settle" have to wait and see. There is a difference between settling and having patience.

Who isn't having patience? I don't know anyone who is throwing Curry overboard saying that he'll never improve and that they want him off this team. All people are saying is that they want to see improvement in his defense. How can you improve something if no one tells you that you are doing a poor job at it?
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12/4/2006  8:58 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Who isn't having patience? I don't know anyone who is throwing Curry overboard saying that he'll never improve and that they want him off this team. All people are saying is that they want to see improvement in his defense. How can you improve something if no one tells you that you are doing a poor job at it?
I distinctly recall you using the word "settle" which means no improvement. If you think Eddy's defense will improve, we are in agreement. If you think his defense will not improve we are in disagreement. If you are ready to give him a chance, you are doing what I am doing. Let me ask you this, Do you think his Defense will improve?
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12/4/2006  9:04 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
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Who isn't having patience? I don't know anyone who is throwing Curry overboard saying that he'll never improve and that they want him off this team. All people are saying is that they want to see improvement in his defense. How can you improve something if no one tells you that you are doing a poor job at it?
I distinctly recall you using the word "settle" which means no improvement. If you think Eddy's defense will improve, we are in agreement. If you think his defense will not improve we are in disagreement. If you are ready to give him a chance, you are doing what I am doing. Let me ask you this, Do you think his Defense will improve?

You are right I used the word "settle" I do not want to settle for Eddy being just an offensive player which is why I am being "tough" on him and saying that I want his defense to improve. I guess that would be known as "tough-love." Not like Eddy Curry cares if I am tough on him or not, but this is a forum and we are to talk Knicks. So I think it fits.

Do I think his defense will improve? I honestly don't know, I hope it improves but his defense has been the same as it is since the first year he came into the NBA. Offensively Eddy is getting the ball more from the guards and he's taking advantage of it and converting on his newfound opportunities.
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12/4/2006  9:07 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I honestly don't know, I hope it improves but his defense has been the same as it is since the first year he came into the NBA.
I bet his defense improves. I bet he will be a very good defensive player (Kurt Thomas like) on defense. If you surround him with hardcore tough defensive players (Balkman who will improve, Jeffries etc) he will feed off their game and get much better.
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12/4/2006  9:15 PM
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I honestly don't know, I hope it improves but his defense has been the same as it is since the first year he came into the NBA.
I bet his defense improves. I bet he will be a very good defensive player (Kurt Thomas like) on defense. If you surround him with hardcore tough defensive players (Balkman who will improve, Jeffries etc) he will feed off their game and get much better.

Thats great and I hope so, the franchise is on his shoulders. Fact is, your guess is as good as mine.
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12/4/2006  10:16 PM
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I honestly don't know, I hope it improves but his defense has been the same as it is since the first year he came into the NBA.
I bet his defense improves. I bet he will be a very good defensive player (Kurt Thomas like) on defense. If you surround him with hardcore tough defensive players (Balkman who will improve, Jeffries etc) he will feed off their game and get much better.

Thats great and I hope so, the franchise is on his shoulders. Fact is, your guess is as good as mine.
Are you expecting his defense to improve? really? Put it in percentages. Do you think there is 30%/70%, 40/60, 50/50, 60/40, 70%/30% chance Eddy's defense will improve?
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12/4/2006  10:17 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
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I honestly don't know, I hope it improves but his defense has been the same as it is since the first year he came into the NBA.
I bet his defense improves. I bet he will be a very good defensive player (Kurt Thomas like) on defense. If you surround him with hardcore tough defensive players (Balkman who will improve, Jeffries etc) he will feed off their game and get much better.

Thats great and I hope so, the franchise is on his shoulders. Fact is, your guess is as good as mine.
Are you expecting his defense to improve? really? Put it in percentages. Do you think there is 30%/70%, 40/60, 50/50, 60/40, 70%/30% chance Eddy's defense will improve?

What the hell is that going to do? I DON'T KNOW. He's shown ZERO signs of defensive improvement since he came into this league so I really don't know.
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12/4/2006  10:18 PM
Can a mod change the title of this thread to H20 not spree? Thanks in advance. :)
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/4/2006  10:21 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

What the hell is that going to do? I DON'T KNOW.
You are being extremely unfair. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEN STOP SPECULATING IN COMPLETE PANIC!!
He's shown ZERO signs of defensive improvement since he came into this league so I really don't know.
He has shown improvement in every other part of his game. He rebounds more, he plays more minutes, scores more and draws more fouls. All signs point to improving every part of his game. You obviously just want to expect the worst. I can't believe you don't think there is a good chance he will improve his defense.
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12/4/2006  10:27 PM
Dirk Nowitzki was once known as a poor defender. So was Yao, as big men go. There is plenty of time for him to improve.

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Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by nyk4ever:

What the hell is that going to do? I DON'T KNOW.
You are being extremely unfair. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEN STOP SPECULATING IN COMPLETE PANIC!!
He's shown ZERO signs of defensive improvement since he came into this league so I really don't know.
He has shown improvement in every other part of his game. He rebounds more, he plays more minutes, scores more and draws more fouls. All signs point to improving every part of his game. You obviously just want to expect the worst. I can't believe you don't think there is a good chance he will improve his defense.

I don't get why it bothers you so much that I am worried about his defense. Just because you are absolutely convinced that he will improve his defense when you have no evidence he will(just like myself having no evidence he won't) shouldn't matter to you. I'm happy your convinced he will become a much better defender, I'm glad your certain of it and there are no questions in your mind about it.

I'm happy with Eddy's offense, I hope he keeps it up andI also hope he finds out how to play defense in this league.
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Posted by crzymdups:

Dirk Nowitzki was once known as a poor defender. So was Yao, as big men go. There is plenty of time for him to improve.
Thank you! I don't understand why its so hard to expect improvement. Some people are looking for blatant improvement right away. The guy is just starting to assert himself on offense. Defense comes next. I'll give him a year.
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Posted by crzymdups:

Dirk Nowitzki was once known as a poor defender. So was Yao, as big men go. There is plenty of time for him to improve.

No one is saying he won't. I'm just worried thats all. Is it a crime that I'm worried about Eddy as a defender when he's shown no signs of becoming one yet?
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12/4/2006  10:33 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I don't get why it bothers you so much that I am worried about his defense.
You come off as someone who is more than just "worried" about his defense. guns is worried about his defense, i expect his defense to improve, you don't know what to expect but have a bad premonition. Different and everyone is entitled to it but I cannot believe I have to fight so hard just to tell you why I think he will improve on defense.
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