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11/20/2006  12:29 AM

That's pretty damn funny that you're taking such offense to the word "nonsensical".

If you don't see that any game is not over when you're only down 6 with more than 2 minutes to play and the ball, then I really don't know what to tell you.

They had just scored on 5 of their last 6 possessions but apparently they were done and couldn't execute anymore.

This is like arguing with someone who thinks the sky isn't blue.

But you take offense to my saying that your main point here is to be anit-Isiah? Now who is being sensitive?

And your facts are off. AT the point IT got the techs the Knicks had missed 4 shots in a row and had fouled the Celtics 3 times.

The problem is you are looking at a game where we were up 1 with 4:22 left, then down 6 with 2:15 left before the techs and you see a blue sky. Looks overcast to me.

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11/20/2006  12:29 AM
Posted by oohah:


Who is an optimist?I deal with reality.

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11/20/2006  12:30 AM
Posted by oohah:
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when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

oohah


Well I'm called a hater by someone or another every day and I deal in the same reality, and the reality is a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go should give hope to any NBA team, regardless of the opponent, let alone the Celts.

To suggest we had no chance to win has no basis in reality, it's purely a subjective (and pessimistic) opinion. That's the reality of it.
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11/20/2006  12:31 AM
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when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

oohah

Jesus, so now you admit that they did have a chance to come back, regardless of how likely you think it was, and not just OVER like you said at the beginning of this argument.

So unlikely to come back that it was over. But you go ahead and put your money on the comeback, I'll put mine on the loss, and I will win 499 times out of 500.

That's what over means.

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11/20/2006  12:33 AM
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Posted by oohah:
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when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

oohah


Well I'm called a hater by someone or another every day and I deal in the same reality, and the reality is a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go should give hope to any NBA team, regardless of the opponent, let alone the Celts.

To suggest we had no chance to win has no basis in reality, it's purely a subjective (and pessimistic) opinion. That's the reality of it.

Thje reality is the Kicks went from 1 up to 6 down in 2 minutes. That does not bode well for a comeback. You want to call that pessimism go ahead. I think that is realistic. You're talking about any NBA team, but I am talking about that game.

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11/20/2006  12:33 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:

when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

oohah

Jesus, so now you admit that they did have a chance to come back, regardless of how likely you think it was, and not just OVER like you said at the beginning of this argument.

So unlikely to come back that it was over. But you go ahead and put your money on the comeback, I'll put mine on the loss, and I will win 499 times out of 500.

That's what over means.

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11/20/2006  12:33 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by oohah:


Who is an optimist?I deal with reality.

oohah

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It'll come. He had a rough start but he will come around. Easy to poke fun when you never hang it.

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11/20/2006  12:34 AM
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
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when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

oohah

Jesus, so now you admit that they did have a chance to come back, regardless of how likely you think it was, and not just OVER like you said at the beginning of this argument.



Maybe he'll edit and eliminate that post REALGM Moderator style. Oops too late you have it in Quotated form. Nevermind.

Seriously. Nobody said that the Knicks were definitely going to come back. Nobody even said that they thought that the Knicks had a great chance of coming back. I think everybody thought that they were definite underdogs at that point. But to say that a 2 possession game with over 2 minutes left is definitively "OVER" isn't making much sense.
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11/20/2006  12:34 AM
It was a nice truce we had there.

Until you broke it.

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11/20/2006  12:36 AM
Posted by oohah:
It was a nice truce we had there.

Until you broke it.

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11/20/2006  12:37 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
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Posted by oohah:
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when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

oohah

Jesus, so now you admit that they did have a chance to come back, regardless of how likely you think it was, and not just OVER like you said at the beginning of this argument.



Maybe he'll edit and eliminate that post REALGM Moderator style. Oops too late you have it in Quotated form. Nevermind.

Seriously. Nobody said that the Knicks were definitely going to come back. Nobody even said that they thought that the Knicks had a great chance of coming back. I think everybody thought that they were definite underdogs at that point. But to say that a 2 possession game with over 2 minutes left is definitively "OVER" isn't making much sense.

A 2 possesion game? Not any 2 possession game. No, I am talking about the game played on Saturday!! The Knicks went up one the they were down 6 in 2 minutes. They were done! Nobody was executing for them! They could not stop Pierce and they had to foul anyway!

Come on already!

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11/20/2006  12:39 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:
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when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

oohah


Well I'm called a hater by someone or another every day and I deal in the same reality, and the reality is a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go should give hope to any NBA team, regardless of the opponent, let alone the Celts.

To suggest we had no chance to win has no basis in reality, it's purely a subjective (and pessimistic) opinion. That's the reality of it.

Thje reality is the Kicks went from 1 up to 6 down in 2 minutes. That does not bode well for a comeback. You want to call that pessimism go ahead. I think that is realistic. You're talking about any NBA team, but I am talking about that game.

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11/20/2006  12:39 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:

when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

oohah


Well I'm called a hater by someone or another every day and I deal in the same reality, and the reality is a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go should give hope to any NBA team, regardless of the opponent, let alone the Celts.

To suggest we had no chance to win has no basis in reality, it's purely a subjective (and pessimistic) opinion. That's the reality of it.

Thje reality is the Kicks went from 1 up to 6 down in 2 minutes. That does not bode well for a comeback. You want to call that pessimism go ahead. I think that is realistic. You're talking about any NBA team, but I am talking about that game.

oohah


basketball is a game of spurts. your evidence we were done is that the celtics outscored us 7 points in 2 mins, yet you consider us incapable of scoring 6 in the same period of time.

why do you consider this game so different than any NBA game, other than that you have no faith our team can win a two possession game with plenty of time?
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11/20/2006  12:39 AM
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:

when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

oohah

Jesus, so now you admit that they did have a chance to come back, regardless of how likely you think it was, and not just OVER like you said at the beginning of this argument.



Maybe he'll edit and eliminate that post REALGM Moderator style. Oops too late you have it in Quotated form. Nevermind.

Seriously. Nobody said that the Knicks were definitely going to come back. Nobody even said that they thought that the Knicks had a great chance of coming back. I think everybody thought that they were definite underdogs at that point. But to say that a 2 possession game with over 2 minutes left is definitively "OVER" isn't making much sense.

A 2 possesion game? Not any 2 possession game. No, I am talking about the game played on Saturday!! The Knicks went up one the they were down 6 in 2 minutes. They were done! Nobody was executing for them! They could not stop Pierce and they had to foul anyway!

Come on already!

oohah


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11/20/2006  12:40 AM
Hey guys, I gotta go. We are going in circles anyway. IT's technicals had nothing to do with the loss. The KNicks lost because they fell apart after they took the lead. Complaining about the Techs is just targeting IT because you don't like him.

Seatsblue, stop trying to rally people against others. Stand on your own like a big boy.

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basketball is a game of spurts. your evidence we were done is that the celtics outscored us 7 points in 2 mins, yet you consider us incapable of scoring 6 in the same period of time.

why do you consider this game so different than any NBA game, other than that you have no faith our team can win a two possession game with plenty of time?

Not incapable. It just wasn't happening in that game. The team fell apart.

The second part of your statement is just exaggeration. I am simply talking about Saturday's game and situation.

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11/20/2006  12:42 AM
Posted by oohah:

That's pretty damn funny that you're taking such offense to the word "nonsensical".

If you don't see that any game is not over when you're only down 6 with more than 2 minutes to play and the ball, then I really don't know what to tell you.

They had just scored on 5 of their last 6 possessions but apparently they were done and couldn't execute anymore.

This is like arguing with someone who thinks the sky isn't blue.

But you take offense to my saying that your main point here is to be anit-Isiah? Now who is being sensitive?

And your facts are off. AT the point IT got the techs the Knicks had missed 4 shots in a row and had fouled the Celtics 3 times.

The problem is you are looking at a game where we were up 1 with 4:22 left, then down 6 with 2:15 left before the techs and you see a blue sky. Looks overcast to me.

oohah

And they outscored the Celtics 16-12 in the last 2:15.

And notice I said possessions and not shots. They missed shots but got the offensive rebounds and never lost possession.
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11/20/2006  12:43 AM
Posted by oohah:

Hey guys, I gotta go. We are going in circles anyway. IT's technicals had nothing to do with the loss. The KNicks lost because they fell apart after they took the lead. Complaining about the Techs is just targeting IT because you don't like him.

Seatsblue, stop trying to rally people against others. Stand on your own like a big boy.

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11/20/2006  12:47 AM
Posted by oohah:
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when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

oohah

Jesus, so now you admit that they did have a chance to come back, regardless of how likely you think it was, and not just OVER like you said at the beginning of this argument.

So unlikely to come back that it was over. But you go ahead and put your money on the comeback, I'll put mine on the loss, and I will win 499 times out of 500.

That's what over means.

oohah

So now you've quantified it to a 1 in 500 shot?

Where do you come up with this stuff?

I'll try to make it simple for you.

Yes or no: Do you or do you not agree that the Knicks still had a chance to win that game?

If you think they had any chance, no matter how remote (1 in 500), then you agree that it wasn't "OVER".
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11/20/2006  1:08 AM
And they outscored the Celtics 16-12 in the last 2:15.

And notice I said possessions and not shots. They missed shots but got the offensive rebounds and never lost possession.

I just checked back in!

And then they missed the shot and/or turned it over. Your facts are wrong, they did not score in 5/6 possesions: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=261118018&period=4

Furthermmore, They scored 5 point in the last 16 seconds when the game was OVER, one a driving layup by NR when nobody was playing anymore and a 3 by Jamal as the4 clock ran down. As Trautwig said after the loss: "It wasn't that close.". I guess he saw the same game I did.
So now you've quantified it to a 1 in 500 shot?

Where do you come up with this stuff?

I'll try to make it simple for you.

Yes or no: Do you or do you not agree that the Knicks still had a chance to win that game?

If you think they had any chance, no matter how remote (1 in 500), then you agree that it wasn't "OVER".

You win on the technicality Isles! In any case, in that particular game, I say they had NO SHOT to win when IT got the T's. Why? Becuase they shot their load. They went up by 1 and then they had nothing left. They could not execute, they could not hold Pierce, and they had to foul. Do you get what I am saying or do you just want to be technical?

And you are being obnoxious again, just as you like you started to be first in this conversation. You just can't help it I guess...

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