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fishmike
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11/17/2006  3:43 PM
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Kurt Thomas was option to play center...The Knicks needed a warm body in the middle if yopu remember...I mean lets be fair here...He had to sign someone...Snacks just came off a monster playoff series...

you don't offer a guy who had a week long stretch of good games after an entire career of being a scrub a full MLE contract... if you need a warm body to play C, offer him a 2-3 yr deal at ~$3 mil per... if he wants more, tell him to go to Hell & sign another free agent or a kid out of the CBA or NBDL... Isiah found Jackie Butler w/no problem at all, & you're telling me Big Turd James at a full MLE contract was justified?

What difference does it make if he offers him 3 or 5 mil per....we are in salary hell....It doesn't matter if we signed him or not because his salary is of no consequence to anything...We needed a body...If it doesn't work out, so what...Only the fans and columnist are going to gripe about bad move but it means nothing to the ball club....You guys are acting like it's your money..

good thinking. Who cares that Layden gave took on Eisley and Anderson when they both had 5 year deals. I mean we needed a bench right?

We are only in salary cap hell because Isiah made us that way. If he was half the talent evaluator you want to give him credit for being, he would have built this team through the draft, and next year we would be looking at $20mm or more in cap space.

Seriously.. you guys cant even admit the obvious mistakes. Jerome James was a mistake from the minute Isiah made that offer. Anything less is denial.

If Calvin Booth had a great playoff series would you give him a 5 year $30mm deal?

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11/17/2006  4:09 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by holfresh:
Kurt Thomas was option to play center...The Knicks needed a warm body in the middle if yopu remember...I mean lets be fair here...He had to sign someone...Snacks just came off a monster playoff series...

you don't offer a guy who had a week long stretch of good games after an entire career of being a scrub a full MLE contract... if you need a warm body to play C, offer him a 2-3 yr deal at ~$3 mil per... if he wants more, tell him to go to Hell & sign another free agent or a kid out of the CBA or NBDL... Isiah found Jackie Butler w/no problem at all, & you're telling me Big Turd James at a full MLE contract was justified?

What difference does it make if he offers him 3 or 5 mil per....we are in salary hell....It doesn't matter if we signed him or not because his salary is of no consequence to anything...We needed a body...If it doesn't work out, so what...Only the fans and columnist are going to gripe about bad move but it means nothing to the ball club....You guys are acting like it's your money..

good thinking. Who cares that Layden gave took on Eisley and Anderson when they both had 5 year deals. I mean we needed a bench right?

We are only in salary cap hell because Isiah made us that way. If he was half the talent evaluator you want to give him credit for being, he would have built this team through the draft, and next year we would be looking at $20mm or more in cap space.

Seriously.. you guys cant even admit the obvious mistakes. Jerome James was a mistake from the minute Isiah made that offer. Anything less is denial.

If Calvin Booth had a great playoff series would you give him a 5 year $30mm deal?

and let's put this into perspective. The dude had 3 and a half good games.
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11/17/2006  4:46 PM
The year messiah signed him to a five year deal mind you, ****ing idiot!

16.6 minutes a game, about his career average (14.3min) he averaged
4.9pts 3.0rbs 1.4blk (IF THATS NOT POOR JUDGEMENT, LETS JUST DOUBLE HIS AVERAGE AND MINUTES WHICH had to be what isiah did)

33minuts 10pts 6rbs 2.8blks (wow!)
Playoff Average which was under 8 games 12.5pts 6.8rbs 1.8blks

Career totals 4.6pts 3.3rbs 1.1blks.......
Career high 22pts 12rbs 6blks

Please anyone that said isiah doesn't have bad judgment go **** yourself, the girl that wins an NCAA office pool would have not signed him

This was his Weatherspoon signing however he averaged 11.3 9.7rbs 1stl 1.28 blks in 33.8 the season before Laydumb signed him. Terrible move but you see what we are dealing with
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11/17/2006  4:57 PM
Spoon played hard and was productive for us. I believe he was the best rebounder in the NBA off the bench one year. Spoon was a good player, just not the right fit. We already had too many short guys.

Plus remember Spoon dunking on Yao? Worth the contract alone!
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11/17/2006  5:03 PM
nba titles are won with superstars.

we don't have any real options to acquire one.

hence it can be argued that we're not in the business of building towards a title.
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11/17/2006  5:09 PM
which is why you need to look at certain options that include unloading players like crawford and curry, two players that have deals that are locked in.

Think Chris Bosh might be tired of being a superstar without endoresments, a player as good as Duncan at the present time and no one even knowing he exists? I wonder if he may want to leave Toronto a team that isn;t really going anywhere.

Might be nice to go to a team and play pf with a big man that can stroke it at the 5 and allow you to operate, and have two energy guys coming off the bench that can defend and rebound

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11/17/2006  5:10 PM
This thread is very confusing.................
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11/17/2006  6:04 PM
thats a stupid question. KMart was a good player, and that was a good signing. They overpaid a tad but even Rod Thorn admitted letting him go was a mistake, and they clearly took a step backward. The fact that KMart is hurt now has ZERO impact on fact that Denver signed a hell of a good player, one of the top defenders in the game, a winner, a tough competitor and a guy who had been very durable after his rookie year when he broke his wrist or whatever.

Kenyon Martin was injury-prone and a risk when Kiki signed him. Martin broke his leg as a senior in college, and it was not his wrist that he broke as a rookie, it a leg fracture. I think he may have broken his wrist later on down the line if indeed broke his wrist.

Kenyon Martin: A history of injury problems.

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11/17/2006  6:05 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

We don't know what happened the Larry year?? How about we went 23 and fifty f'in nine. I don't care how bad Larry was, Isiah gets just as much the credit as Larry does for last year.
It MAY have legitimately been a 23 win team. Like I said, we'll find out a lot about last year *this* year because it's a different coach with basically the same roster.

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11/17/2006  10:06 PM
21 assists and six cats in double figures

Is there anyone looking forward to Jared Jeffries on The NEW York Knicks?

Or id Isiah Thomas still the Debbil?
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11/17/2006  10:37 PM
Posted by misterearl:

21 assists and six cats in double figures

Is there anyone looking forward to Jared Jeffries on The NEW York Knicks?

Or id Isiah Thomas still the Debbil?

No Doubt, IT is the Debbil with some of these cats. Two quality wins in a row means nothing to them. They are distinctly anti Knicks becasue IT is GM and Coach of this team, so let them do them and I'll continue to root for this team wholeheartedly and enjoy the moment..

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11/17/2006  11:06 PM
Posted by tapseer:
Posted by misterearl:

21 assists and six cats in double figures

Is there anyone looking forward to Jared Jeffries on The NEW York Knicks?

Or id Isiah Thomas still the Debbil?

No Doubt, IT is the Debbil with some of these cats. Two quality wins in a row means nothing to them. They are distinctly anti Knicks becasue IT is GM and Coach of this team, so let them do them and I'll continue to root for this team wholeheartedly and enjoy the moment..

Knicks win, and you barely see a post. Knicks lose, there are 10 new threads about how everything they are doing is bad, how the offense can't possibly be good, how everything Isiah does is bad (While seemingly contradicting themselves with their love of Lee and Q) any PG you can name is better than Marbury, Frye is getting traded to Lampe.

I guess this team of these players doing well with THAT MAN Isiah Thomas, is depressing to some of our fellow fans.

Seatsblue, where are you? Please tell us why this win shouldn't count!

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11/17/2006  11:13 PM
You're right about it being quiet around here win the team wins. You're absolutely correct when you pointed out how some people contradict themselves with how all of IT's moves are dumb, while slobbering over themselves with Nate Rob, Q Rich, DLee and Crawford. When I post, it's to shout you guys out, not the those who see nothing right with this team...
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1/8/2007  9:22 AM
Dumb Moves - Kelvin Cato

"...man, we talkin' bout practice...not the game... not the game... practice..."

"Zeke brought me in here to make him a better player," Cato said. "Not just physically by beating on him every day but giving him a few of the things I've learned playing against the better players at the center spot when I first got in the league."

Cato would like to see Curry attack double-teams by going to the middle more, but the righthander is more comfortable turning toward the baseline in the Knicks' offensive set, which usually has him posting up on the right side of the basket. Curry has started to show an ability to use his left hand, which he has been working on in practice against Cato and James.

"We don't double-team him in practice yet," Cato said, adding with a smile, "but we need to so I can get some help."
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1/8/2007  9:46 AM
Posted by tapseer:

You're right about it being quiet around here win the team wins. You're absolutely correct when you pointed out how some people contradict themselves with how all of IT's moves are dumb, while slobbering over themselves with Nate Rob, Q Rich, DLee and Crawford. When I post, it's to shout you guys out, not the those who see nothing right with this team...

Is it possible to like some things about someone and not like other things? Or must you like or hate everything about a person.

I guess I am one of the "contradictors" that you talk about. I love what Isiah has done with the draft. It is definitely a strenght and I give him all the credit in the world. I don't like the amount of players that he has bought out, let go, or signed that don't fit the team. I don't hate the guy whatsoever. I personally think he has done a solid job coaching the roster he has constructed. That being said, I think his strenght is the draft. But like all humans and GM's he has weaknesses. His weaknesses thus far are trades and free-agent signings. Since we don't have to many high picks over hte next year most of his improving moves will be via free-agency or trades. This makes me nervous.

Is this fair. Or must I hate or love every move he has made?
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1/8/2007  11:19 AM


According to NBADraft.net Knicks have the number 21 and 39 picks

I trust, based on the evidence of the last three drafts, the Knicks scouting staff, and Isiah Thomas, will uncover the appropriate talent from one of those selections.

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1/8/2007  11:23 AM
Posted by oohah:

Knicks win, and you barely see a post.

you guys need to step up your game then.

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1/8/2007  11:38 AM
We're back to bookmarking and bumping old threads? MisterEarl must have replaced my role then!
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1/8/2007  11:38 AM
Posted by fishmike:
thats a stupid question. KMart was a good player, and that was a good signing. They overpaid a tad but even Rod Thorn admitted letting him go was a mistake, and they clearly took a step backward. The fact that KMart is hurt now has ZERO impact on fact that Denver signed a hell of a good player, one of the top defenders in the game, a winner, a tough competitor and a guy who had been very durable after his rookie year when he broke his wrist or whatever.
U R CRAZY!!!!

K-Mart was a good player who looked better than he was playing in a system with a certain player (J.Kidd). He was severely limited offensively, and a good defensive player, that does not make a max player. He has never been the same since he left J. Kidd, he has struggled, and hes not even a good teamate. To suggest that signing K-Mart to Max dollars was a good signing is totally ridiculous.
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1/8/2007  11:43 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by fishmike:
thats a stupid question. KMart was a good player, and that was a good signing. They overpaid a tad but even Rod Thorn admitted letting him go was a mistake, and they clearly took a step backward. The fact that KMart is hurt now has ZERO impact on fact that Denver signed a hell of a good player, one of the top defenders in the game, a winner, a tough competitor and a guy who had been very durable after his rookie year when he broke his wrist or whatever.
U R CRAZY!!!!

K-Mart was a good player who looked better than he was playing in a system with a certain player (J.Kidd). He was severely limited offensively, and a good defensive player, that does not make a max player. He has never been the same since he left J. Kidd, he has struggled, and hes not even a good teamate. To suggest that signing K-Mart to Max dollars was a good signing is totally ridiculous.

to get kmart to leave nj, denver had to overpay.

so the choice was having kmart (preinjury) to play with a pretty good core of dre, melo and camby, or having no kmart and having to sign someone on the cheap.

$90 mil and 3 #1's is WAY overpaying for kmart. but it was the only way denver could've pryed him away from jersey. smaller markets like denver, new orleans, etc, need to not only want players to come there, but have to pay for their services.

nobody wants to play in atlanta. they have cap room year after year but have problems getting free agents. but for them to get joe johnson, they have to pay $60 mil + diaw + 2 #1's.

ny is another beast entirely. major cap room will have free agents lined up around the block to come here.
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