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oohah
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10/26/2006  12:36 AM
Posted by tomverve:

I'm outraged myself that Isiah didn't use the midseason draft and midseason free agent pool to get LB defensive help. No, he had to wait for the *summer* draft and the *summer* free agent pool. Really shows you how two-faced the guy is. And he didn't do LB any favors by getting scrappy, hard-nosed players like David Lee and Nate Robinson the summer before LB arrived either.


Haw!

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10/26/2006  12:38 AM
Posted by oohah:
Ok. So when LB coaches and he wants Defense, he got to deal wih what he got. But when Isiah needs defense to save his job he can go out and get 4 defensive role players?

Remember a post ago when you told me that a GM remaking an entire team in one season is ridiculous? Like Nixluva wrote, if LB hadn't forced himself out, he would have had these improved defensive players. Only, since he personally did not like so many of the players, he probably would have carried on his sabotage until he had Eric Snow and Ratliff!

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[Edited by - oohah on 26-10-2006 12:31 AM]

That makes absolutely no sense. Do we not remember that at the famed "meeting" with Dolan, Larry was told "This is your team"? So they were lying to him and were gonna give him an early birthday gift? Come on man. It seriously does not make sense.
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10/26/2006  12:49 AM
That makes absolutely no sense. Do we not remember that at the famed "meeting" with Dolan, Larry was told "This is your team"? So they were lying to him and were gonna give him an early birthday gift? Come on man. It seriously does not make sense.

It makes no semse that LB would have to wait until the off-season before adding defense to the team?

It makes sense to me. Check out Tomverve's post above.

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[Edited by - oohah on 26-10-2006 12:52 AM]
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10/26/2006  12:58 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by joec32033:
It's probably very likely that Isiah never planned on adding defensive players. He only decided that defensive players were worthwhile the moment after LB was fired. Bad Boys?

Come on, do you actually believe that? No offense, but do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? He only realized defense was the way to go when it was HIS job on the line? Well, when I put it that way.....

One way or another it is a serious indictment on his abilities as a full time GM.
Furthermore, it only makes sense that he remakes an entire team before a coaches first season is over. All good GM's turn over a nearly entirely new team during the course of the regular season. Happens all the time.
That sounds sarcastic. Tell me that's sarcastic.

Don't worry buddy. The whole things was sarcastic. To suggest that Isiah was not going to make moves to improve the team defensively is patently absurd. That is the point I was making.

I think many of us around here forget that Isiah was the best player and captain of the best defensive team in the past 30 years. I am not saying IT was the best defensive player (Some say Rodaman, I say Dumars was hands down.), but he weren't no slouch.

oohah

Is that why it took him 3 1/2 years to start acquiring defensive minded players?

Oh wait, I forgot he's only in his first year.
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10/26/2006  1:06 AM
Is that why it took him 3 1/2 years to start acquiring defensive minded players?

Oh wait, I forgot he's only in his first year.

I thought you were saying that Isiah was only picking up defensive players because now LB is gone, and that he should have gone out and gotten them mid-season.

It appears now that you are changing your point entirely.

Why not just say, "I don't like Isiah, and I will find fault with whatever he does"?

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[Edited by - oohah on 26-10-2006 01:07 AM]
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10/26/2006  1:18 AM
Is that why it took him 3 1/2 years to start acquiring defensive minded players?

Oh wait, I forgot he's only in his first year.

Where did he pick up the extra year from? Are you sure it is 3.5 seasons? I thought it was 5-8 seasons.

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10/26/2006  4:15 AM
Signing Cato can't hurt. He's probably as good as anyone available for the 15th spot and if Frye's going to stay at forward, it's nice to have another center on the roster for injury protection.
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10/26/2006  8:25 AM
Ha Ha
Posted by islesFaT:

Is that why it took him 3 1/2 years to start acquiring defensive minded players?

Oh wait, I forgot he's only in his first year.



[Edited by - rvhoss on 10-26-2006 08:27 AM]
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10/26/2006  8:55 AM
The good thing about signing Cato and getting rid of the scrubs is that the team can now focus on playing the starters and getting ready for the season. No more need to see what the scrub players can do. I will be interested to see how the team plays tomorrow against NJ.
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10/26/2006  9:24 AM
Good move by the knicks. While you cant count on Cato for big minutes, he should fill in quite well for 7-12 minute stretches or can occasional fill in in case of injury.
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10/26/2006  9:54 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

does this mean that jerome is nowhere close to returning?


let's keep our fingers crossed on that one.
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10/26/2006  10:00 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by TMS:

funny how they can get a 6-11 backup C w/career averages below 6 & 6 for a veteran's minimum type deal, but they spent 5 years @ $30 mil for a 7-2 backup C w/career averages below 6 & 6 a year ago... i guess those extra 3 inches is worth the extra loot in Isiah's world.

It's called supply and demand...

in that case, i hope Isiah snatches up the rest of the 7 footer scrubs in the league this offseason & corners the market... that way, the demand out there grows even more & the Knicks can make a play for KG.

it's all about supply & demand.
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10/26/2006  11:06 AM
I thought you were saying that Isiah was only picking up defensive players because now LB is gone, and that he should have gone out and gotten them mid-season.

No, I was just commenting about what you said here:
To suggest that Isiah was not going to make moves to improve the team defensively is patently absurd. That is the point I was making.

The only patently absurd thing is that it took 3 1/2 years to start looking to improve the team defensively.

I think Isiah is only starting to address the defense because he was forced to coach and his cushy job is on the line. It has nothing to do with LB being gone. Isiah didn't do anything about it when Chaney was fired or when Lenny was fired or when Herb was demoted.

And it wasn't about midseason adjustments, it was about having 3 trading deadlines and 3 offseasons over 3 1/2 years to pick up defensive minded players but failing to do so. This is even more amazing when you consider how many player transactions Isiah has made since he's been here.
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10/26/2006  11:56 AM
I agree with you somewhat Islefat, but
Isiah Thomas was hired by the Knicks in December 2003.

doesn't that mean it took him a little UNDER 3 years?

Why do you keep saying 3 1/2 years when a few posters have pointed out that you are wrong.

Why do you keep saying 3 1/2 years?
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10/26/2006  12:03 PM
My bad. 2 years and 10 months.
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10/26/2006  12:08 PM
Isiah has 2 more months to get this team to a championship... after that, all bets are off!
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10/26/2006  12:10 PM
agreed.

if we don't win a championship THIS YEAR! I will put any quote Islesy wants in my footer for a week.

I mean, I won't post for that week, but either way, it's a win win for Islesy.

deal?
Posted by TMS:

Isiah has 2 more months to get this team to a championship... after that, all bets are off!

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10/26/2006  12:16 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

agreed.

if we don't win a championship THIS YEAR! I will put any quote Islesy wants in my footer for a week.

I mean, I won't post for that week, but either way, it's a win win for Islesy.

deal?
Posted by TMS:

Isiah has 2 more months to get this team to a championship... after that, all bets are off!

Wait, that means you'll still be here next year?

How about a loser leaves town match. If the Knicks win the championship I'll never post here again. If the Knicks don't win the championship, you promise to never post here again.

In lieu of that, I'll take what I can get. Martin, can you sticky this for the entire season?
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10/26/2006  12:22 PM
no need to sticky, if the knicks don't win a championship THIS YEAR, then my footer is all yours for a full week.

I'm confident in Isiah and Marbury's ability to deliver a championship this year.
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10/26/2006  12:29 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

no need to sticky, if the knicks don't win a championship THIS YEAR, then my footer is all yours for a full week.

I'm confident in Isiah and Marbury's ability to deliver a championship this year.

If you're that confident then agree to the loser leaves Ultimate Knicks. Forever. No coming back under another name.
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