Posted by rvhoss:

just got back, I'm not saying his concepts were outdated, I think his attempting to make marbury something marbury is not is what was rigid and outdated.

We've had this conversation over and over.

With respect to nash being pass first, he seems to score a lot of points and chuck up a awful lot of 3's...and as I continue to reiterate, not get to the finals.

Are we talking stats (20/8) or are we talking championships?

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Posted by rvhoss:

just got back, I'm not saying his concepts were outdated, I think his attempting to make marbury something marbury is not is what was rigid and outdated.

We've had this conversation over and over.

With respect to nash being pass first, he seems to score a lot of points and chuck up a awful lot of 3's...and as I continue to reiterate, not get to the finals.

Are we talking stats (20/8) or are we talking championships?

Only 1 pg a year get to win the championship. Why dont we look at who gets furthur in the playoffs? Or who gets voted MVP of the league twice? Or who gets voted in to all star games or gets voted on to the all nba team or who guys who have played with both prefer playing with?

Posted by Rich:

I think Craw should be the starting PG. If and when that happens, then he can be considered for the captaincy.

Posted by martin:

Posted by wsdm:

Posted by Rich:

I think Craw should be the starting PG. If and when that happens, then he can be considered for the captaincy.

Crawford cannot run an offense. You don't want your PG to be your team's worst decision-maker.

He's definitely the best passer though. And who are the better decision-makers? Franbury?

Thanks. That's my point.

New York Knicks

Posted by Stephon Marbury on Oct. 2, 2006 at 4:15 p.m. ET

Video: Marbury discusses his expectations for the upcoming season

This summer has been a real busy one for me as most people know with the Starbury clothing line that came out. We’ve been touring all around the country. It has been great. It has definitely been a life-gratifying experience. I think once you get the people on your side, and people understand that you are down with the people and you’re not above them, I think they have a different perspective about you as a person. Because a lot of people in the places that we’ve been, they never even heard of Stephon Marbury or Starbury, so being around those people was more gratifying for myself just as a person than being somewhere where everyone knows you.

But now with the season starting soon, the focus will become basketball. We want to win. Isiah has an ultimatum to turn things around and we are want to play better, no question.

Posted by Jamal Crawford on Oct. 2, 2006 at 4:24 p.m. ET

This offseason, I made a point of trying to get stronger, and I did. I was lifting weights, working on my game, watching a lot of film, and just seeing how I could get better. A lot of times you see athletes with all kinds of crazy routines, and I incorporated some of that. I ran bleachers, ran steps. I had to pull a person while I dribbled the ball to improve my explosiveness and quickness. There were alot of different things that made up my offseason workouts.

I wanted to improve my ability to go to the hole. I could always do it, but I would settle for jumpers a lot. Now, I don’t want to let anybody off the hook. The goal is to get as many easy jumpers as possible. I have been working on some different things to complement my crossover, so I am excited. When Opening Night comes around, it will be a chance for me to show the hard work that I put in over the summer. I look forward to putting our 23-win season behind us and trying to win as many games as possible. For me, it isn't going to be about personal goals. If we win, everything else will fall into place.

But before the season, there are more important matters, and that is for Nate to win the NBA.com Photo of the Year contest. I saw the shot and I am going for Nate. I’m pulling for him. The little guy is the people’s champ. A lot of people can relate to him because he is so small, but that’s our guy. He's taking the crown.

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Posted by MS:

Crawford is an articulate guy and always says the same ****, why does this garner any respect? He has an absurd contract hasn't accomplished anything in the nba and wants to get better. Every good player works on his game, now its time to produce, if he does that than he has earned respect as of right now he is the same old guy

He has the respect of most the fans, the coachs and his teammates with good reason. Also I would say his contract is the best contract the Knicks have among players in the nba longer than 2 years.

He led our team with 16.7ppg in the games he started. He gave us 14.3ppg-3rpg-4apg in 32 minutes last season for 7 mill. What vet on the Knicks was more productive per dollar last season?
This year

Jcraw will make 7.2 mill
Francis will make 15.1 mill
Marbs will make 17.3 mill

Looks to me that Jcraw is the bargain of the bunch

Why would you compare Jamal to Marbury and Francis to prove that he's a bargain? That's like comparing a 5'5" guy to two midgets: It doesn't mean that 5'3" guy is tall! Now, Jamal's not a max contract player but he's paid much more than any other team would pay him. If he were an FA, I doubt any team would give him more than even the MLE, but he's making about almost double it ($56 mil vs. $30 mil).

I agree with MS. Jamal's been a great speaker for a long time. It's time for him to finally put together a good season.


[Edited by - wsdm on 10-10-2006 6:32 PM]

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

The MLE is around 5-6 mill isnt it? Jcraw is above an average player and only around 1-1.5 mill over the MLE this year. The reason I brought up the other contracts is because Jcraws contract was called absurd and you have to look at things in context. On this NY Knicks team Jcraws contract is probably the most reasonable vet contract we have in terms of production per dollar.