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10/9/2006  9:37 AM
Posted by nixluva:

The only thing is that LB wasn't that warm and cuddly grandpa, more like the drunk old uncle that kept accidently burning you with his cigarettes and scratching you with his unshaven face hairs. You want to love him but he's just so messed up. It's easy for Isiah to get the troops to say hey that guy thinks you're loser's and should just be tossed out with the trash. The Knicks players have so much dislike for LB that it just might add a little something to their effort level.

I also wouldn't be too sure that Isiah isn't looking to have this team pick up it's defensive intensity. Isiah has always believed in Defense, but he likes the offensive side of the ball better. He's not the only Coach like that. Whether or not he can get this team to win like that is what we'll have to find out, but I think it's unfair to think he's not gonna have this team playing harder on D.

I really think you should actually do the research as to what you are disagreeing with instead of letting your personal feeling about LB cloud the reality of the situation-

Relationship with Larry Brown

For most of the early portion of Iverson's career, his head coach with the Sixers was Larry Brown. Iverson often praised Brown, saying that he would not have achieved so much in the sport without Brown's guidance. Iverson had a love-hate relationship with Brown; however, and the two frequently clashed, most famously after the 76ers were defeated in the first round of the 2002 NBA Playoffs. Brown criticized Iverson for missing team practices and Iverson defended himself with what would become a famous and oft-quoted monologue which some observers felt indicated a lack of appreciation by Iverson for the importance of practice.

I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we're in here talking about practice. I mean listen, we're talking about practice. Not a game . . . We're talking about practice. Not a game . . . that I go out there and die for, and play every game like it's my last. Not the game. We're talking about practice, man. I mean, how silly is that? We're talking about practice. I know I'm supposed to be there. I know I'm supposed to lead by example . . . I know it's important . . . I honestly do. But we're talking about practice, man. What are we talking about? Practice? We're talking about practice, man . . . We're talking about practice. We're talking about practice. We ain't talking about the game, we're talking about practice, man. When you come into the arena, and you see me play . . . you see me give everything I got, right? But we're talking about practice right now. We're talking about practice . . . We're not even talking about the game, the actual game, when it matters. We're talking about practice.

— Allen Iverson at a press conference on May 8, 2002


He said "practice" more times than he's actually practiced.

— Larry Brown speaking to reporters the next day

Nonetheless, when Brown left the 76ers in 2003, both he and Iverson indicated that the two were on good terms and genuinely fond of one another. Iverson later reunited with Brown when Iverson became a member and co-captain of the 2004 United States Olympic men's basketball team.

In 2005, on Stephen A. Smith's ESPN talkshow Quite Frankly, Iverson was asked to outline his problems with Brown. Iverson declared that he was privileged and honored to have had Brown as his coach, without any qualms, reservations or criticism; he described Brown as an overwhelmingly positive influence on his basketall career and in his personal life. Smith then played a clip of Brown describing "The Answer" as an ideal role-model for American children, and Iverson wept
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson#Relationship_with_Larry_Brown


AUBURN HILLS, Mich., June 15 -- Larry Brown had accomplished almost everything anyone can accomplish in the game of basketball.

Almost.

His résumé is as deep as the Pistons' bench. Yet, even after winning an Olympic gold medal in 1964, winning an ABA title as a member of the Oakland Oaks in 1969, leading the University of Kansas to an NCAA title in 1988 and entering the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 2002, people scanned Brown's extensive dossier and noted that it had a hole in it.

A huge hole.

In 22 years as an NBA coach, Brown's been the consummate teacher. Even Rasheed Wallace calls Brown "Pound-for-Pound" as in the best coach pound-for-pound. But Brown, who had made six previous stops in the NBA before landing in Detroit this season, has never placed an NBA championship ring on his finger.

Until tonight.

Brown added the crown jewel to his considerable collection when his Detroit Pistons trounced the Los Angeles Lakers 100-87 in Game 5 of The Finals for his historic first NBA title.

Larry Brown, NBA champion. Has a nice ring to it.

"I haven't been through 48 minutes like that," Brown said of his first taste of an NBA title. "You know, I've always enjoyed the moment. The bigger the game, the more I enjoyed it, but the way this group came together, you know, with Rasheed [Wallace] coming late and losing quality people, this was a strange night. I had no idea what it would feel like. "

By winning the NBA title, Brown becomes the only head coach to win an NCAA title and NBA title. At age 62, Brown is the oldest coach to win an NBA title. Brown also took longer than any coach in NBA history, 22 years, to capture a crown, easily outpacing Red Auerbach (1957) and Bill Fitch (1981).

Brown also became the ninth coach in NBA history to win a title in his first year with a team. The last to do so was the man and team Brown helped defeat tonight, Phil Jackson, who did it with the Lakers in 2000. The win tonight also moved Brown into second place behind Jackson for most playoff wins for a coach, with 85.

"I haven't in my life had disappointments too many times coaching this game," Brown said. "I told them, you know, before the game, it would be a great statement if we had an opportunity to win because we do play the right way, and we are truly a team."

All season long, Brown preached about playing "the right way": defense, hustle and teamwork. For the Pistons and Brown, it all paid off.

So, Brown's résumé , already full, is complete. Of course, winning one only whets the appetite and begs the question: Can you do it again?

But before that can happen, Brown could add another impressive first this summer when he will coach the Men's U.S. Olympic basketball team in Athens. He could become the first man to win an Olympic gold medal as a player and as a coach.

That would cap quite a year and quite a resume. Brown said he'll need time to let it all sink in.

"I remember Chuck Daly told me something one day," Brown said of the other Pistons coach to win an NBA title, "that when you finally do win one, you won't appreciate it until you're driving down the highway one day and you'll get a big grin on your face.

"I had that feeling when I coached Kansas later on. I'm sure I'm going to have it now. "
http://www.nba.com/finals2004/brown_040616.html

Billups doesn't know what reaction the fans will give Brown tonight, but he hopes they all do what he's going to do -- cheer the man.

"Look what he did for this city and this franchise," Billups said. "He brought a championship here, and we had a chance to win another last year. He deserves to be cheered."

Brown, whose rebuilding Knicks team is struggling to find its footing, has been thrilled with the Pistons' 11-2 start under new coach Flip Saunders.

"No matter what, I had two of the greatest years I've ever had there," Brown said. "I love that group of players. I am proud of what they did when I was there, and I am proud of what they are doing now. … I love that team. Why should I be disappointed that they are 11-2? They gave me everything they could for two years. I am proud of Flip. He was fired last year, and now he is showing everybody what a great coach he is."

Brown has heard the comments made by Billups and others that under Saunders, they have more freedom on offense than they were under Brown.

"I would say Chauncey is probably right," Brown said. "They are playing better than any other team in the league. If their scoring is up and all the things he's saying are there, then it's true. But look back, when I replaced Rick Carlisle, he was successful and I changed some things because I coach differently than Rick.

"Now you have Flip in there and he coaches differently than me, so he's changed some things. Chauncey Billups did everything I asked him to do, and we won a title and had a chance to win another. I am confident that Chauncey is now doing everything Flip is asking him to do and he's having success."
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Billups has gotten his best shot, thanks to Brown
By Roscoe Nance, USA TODAY
SAN ANTONIO — The game was on the line and the Detroit Pistons needed to make a play. In that situation, there's only one player they wanted to have the ball. That would be Chauncey Billups, their unflappable point guard who thrives in pressure situations.

"We put a lot of confidence in Chauncey," Pistons All-Star center Ben Wallace says. "Chauncey has a lot riding on his shoulders. Everybody on this team believes in what he can do. Everybody thinks he's going to make the right play. When he's got the ball in his hands, that's when we're at our best."

Billups, the MVP of last year's NBA Finals, was again superb in the championship series, though the Pistons fell 81-74 to the Spurs in Game 7.

Though he scored 13 points Thursday, he averaged 20.4 in the series and was the series leader in assists (6.3). In Game 5, he scored a series-high 34 points, 23 in the second half.

Billups' clutch shooting has earned him the nickname "Mr. Big Shot." But "Smooth," the moniker he picked up while growing up in Denver, is equally appropriate.

Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars, the 1989 Finals MVP, says that is the key to Billups' success.

"He does a pretty good job of not getting rattled," Dumars says. "That's a big thing. If you can just keep your composure in big games, you've got a chance. I talk to Chauncey about giving yourself a chance to be great. The only way you can do that is to keep your head in the game, stay focus, stay composed, look for your shot. ... He gives himself a chance to be great night in and night out."

Billups was the third player selected in the 1997 draft. He has bounced around the league during his eight-year career, having been with five teams before signing with the Pistons as a free agent three years ago. He gives coach Larry Brown much of the credit for the way his game has flourished. Billups came into the league with a scorer's mentality. Under Brown's tutelage, he plays more of a traditional point guard's game, looking to get his teammates involved first and then looking for his shot.

"I've learned so much from him about this game, about my game," Billups says. "It's priceless, really."

Brown has a reputation for being tough on point guards, having played that position. When he talks about Billups' development, there's pride in his voice. "He's done a remarkable job under difficult circumstances dealing with me," Brown says. "Anybody that's played for me (knows) I've put a lot of responsibility on the point guard. He's sacrificed as much as anybody I've ever coached for the benefit of the team."


The relationship between Billups and Brown had rocky moments in its early stages as they got to know each other. Game 7 of the Finals may well have been their last together. Brown might not return as coach of the Pistons next season because of health reasons. He is scheduled to go to Mayo Clinic after the NBA draft next week.

"I don't know anybody that loves the game like he does and cares about the integrity of the game like he does," Billups says. "I don't think he wants the game to change from when he played it. I don't anticipate it being over for him. But if it is, it's going to be a dark day in the NBA."
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10/9/2006  10:38 AM
Posted by bigbeast:

About a third of this board believed that Francis was brought in by Brown in hoopes of moving Marbury. Now Marbury sings the same tune you guys have been singing and he's an idiot. Unreal!

And now you guys believe he somehow took a shot at Francis with this comment. In what way exactly? And Blue, what exactly are they blamming on Francis? Sounds like Marbury is blamming LB for bringing Francis in. I don't see where Marbury is blamming anything on Francis.

Posted by oohah:

Did Marbury make a negative or derogatory comment about Francis that I missed?

He felt that Francis was brought in to ouster him, and that is probably true.

Francis doesn't like LB either that's obvious.

It seems that some are trying to cast this as a bad attitude of Marbury towards Francis, and I don't see that to be the case.


Gentlemen, it's not that Marbury is trying to diss Francis as a player, it's that they are dissing the move to bring him here. And what exactly does that accomplish? Well what it doesn't accomplish is making Steve feel like a welcome addition. It reads as if they know they have a struggle on their hands with him and they are distincing themeselves from the trade as if it already has doom written on it. It alientates Francis, and is the first step toward building in excuses for failure.

I thought this season was supposed to be free of that kind of stuff, but clearly it is not.
Posted by nixluva:

I think you guys are missing something. Isiah is ALLOWING this kind of talk. It's clear that he gave the OK, cuz the way MSG does things they won't let something like this happen unless its on purpose.


You're right, and that is what's so troubling about it all. It appears to be part of some sort of strategy, but what? If it's as you suggest, to bond the team in their dislike of Brown, I can't see it as effective because it casts Francis as a Brown guy, and therefor a misplaced outsider, and an undue burden that Isiah wishes he didn't have to deal with.

That's more Brown-like than anti-Brown, no?

And even if your assessment is correct, that it's motivational, why did this need to be aired publicly? Any motivation within the team should be handled behind closed doors, right? Wasn't that the charge against Larry, that he tried to motivate thru the press?

Brown is fired and gone, even the arbitration hearings are finished. If there were ever a time to put him behind us it should be now. But management chose NOT to. Why?

I suspect one or two things were intended to be accomplished by this:

1) An attempt to further sway public opinion against Brown before Stern gives his final ruling. Perhaps they feel Stern, who's from NY, is sensitive to the needs of the fans and will take pity action on their behlf if the fans want it bad enough.

That would be a cheap shot and set a poor precedent that would open the door for Brown to do the same. Larry may or may not counter before the ruling but they are almost surely setting up some sort of smear retaliation from him at some point along the way. We even saw the classy Wilken's get in his digs when the time was ripe.

2) To initiate a campaign of excuses; that whatever bad happens this year it's because of Brown. Everything Isiah seems to be doing seems to be to counter Larry: short practices, firm rotation (not a hallmark of isiah in Indy), bonding sessions, lots of praise, up-tempo, freedom for the backcourt, etc, etc. At the end of the day, if all that fails isiah can say those strategies wouldn't have been his first priority but he needed to undoing all that Brown had done.

The problem is that he's being more "Brown" about it than he'd like to admit.

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10/9/2006  10:58 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:


And even if your assessment is correct, why did this need to be aired publicly. Any motivation within the team should be handled behind closed door, right? Wasn't that the charge against Larry, that he tried to motivate thru the press?

I don't think you quite get it - if I follow the logic of the company men, everything Isiah and Marbury are doing is fine because it is part of the company policy. You see, if the company wants to do it, it's okay. The company policy is to use collective hatred of Larry as a motivational tool.

Now when Larry did it, it wasn't company policy. If Dolan/Isiah had ordered Larry to diss the players in public, it would have been fine.

That's how I understand what the company men are saying.
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10/10/2006  6:10 AM
Exactly. =)
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by BlueSeats:


And even if your assessment is correct, why did this need to be aired publicly. Any motivation within the team should be handled behind closed door, right? Wasn't that the charge against Larry, that he tried to motivate thru the press?

I don't think you quite get it - if I follow the logic of the company men, everything Isiah and Marbury are doing is fine because it is part of the company policy. You see, if the company wants to do it, it's okay. The company policy is to use collective hatred of Larry as a motivational tool.

Now when Larry did it, it wasn't company policy. If Dolan/Isiah had ordered Larry to diss the players in public, it would have been fine.

That's how I understand what the company men are saying.

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10/10/2006  8:21 AM
Wait a minute. You guys wouldn't be calling the company men self-serving hypocrites, would you?

nah... not our company men...
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10/10/2006  11:50 AM
Gentlemen, it's not that Marbury is trying to diss Francis as a player, it's that they are dissing the move to bring him here. And what exactly does that accomplish? Well what it doesn't accomplish is making Steve feel like a welcome addition. It reads as if they know they have a struggle on their hands with him and they are distincing themeselves from the trade as if it already has doom written on it. It alientates Francis, and is the first step toward building in excuses for failure.

I thought this season was supposed to be free of that kind of stuff, but clearly it is not.

I think you are running with what has been said a little too much. Marbury was asked a question and he answered it. The whole Francis trade was funny business. Everybody knows it. So why pretend different?

Now if your point is that Francis is a little bitch and he will take offense and sulk, maybe you are right. But hopefully this team will be able to speak up and say what they feel like men.

That is what I will hope for.

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10/10/2006  12:09 PM
Posted by oohah:
Gentlemen, it's not that Marbury is trying to diss Francis as a player, it's that they are dissing the move to bring him here. And what exactly does that accomplish? Well what it doesn't accomplish is making Steve feel like a welcome addition. It reads as if they know they have a struggle on their hands with him and they are distincing themeselves from the trade as if it already has doom written on it. It alientates Francis, and is the first step toward building in excuses for failure.

I thought this season was supposed to be free of that kind of stuff, but clearly it is not.

I think you are running with what has been said a little too much. Marbury was asked a question and he answered it. The whole Francis trade was funny business. Everybody knows it. So why pretend different?

Now if your point is that Francis is a little bitch and he will take offense and sulk, maybe you are right. But hopefully this team will be able to speak up and say what they feel like men.

That is what I will hope for.

oohah

Oohah, I don't get it. We tell guys like Taylor(who said the team sucks), AD(who said the same thing), and LB(talking about how to get Marbury to play PG) to shut up, they don't know what they are talking about, but Steph can say whatever he wants because he was asked the question? He can basically say-the guy is only here to replace me- and it's ok. So now only Steph can nail teammates to the media, as long as he is "asked the question"?

This is my problem with Stephon-he has no accountability whatsoever.
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10/10/2006  1:28 PM
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apologies. But he did call my team the new york pricks.
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I am glad you aren't too. now a knick fan can use your ticket.
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I'm so glad I'm not buying tickets this year for the New York Pricks.

Ouch! That was brutally harsh!
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10/10/2006  1:31 PM
Posted by oohah:
I think you are running with what has been said a little too much. Marbury was asked a question and he answered it. The whole Francis trade was funny business. Everybody knows it. So why pretend different?
Isnt that what LB did? I'm sure you have another view but seriously

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10/10/2006  4:08 PM
Marbury's counterpart in the animal kingdom

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10/10/2006  4:31 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Steve must feel real welcome right about now.

And how about Isiah closing camp a day early? Great, back to the Lenny Wilkens days of wanting to be liked and catering to soft players.

I hope they're polishing up Steph's massage table at MSG as we speak.

I'm not gonna bash Marbury on his comments here. He stated what he thought was fact: he doesn't believe that Francis was brought here to team up with him, but rather to be his outright replacement. Hey, that's what he thinks and after the way Brown treated him last year, especially publically, who could blame him.

I don't think Francis feels unwelcome by these comments. They aren't really directed at him in a negative way. They are directed at Brown. No biggy for me. Everything considered, Brown did such a horrendous job around here last year that I don't blame anyone, especially our best player, if they don't want to just poo-poo any question from the media involving Larry Brown. You ask direct questions you're gonna get direct answers. And if those questions involve Larry Brown and his antics, intentions and possible hidden motivations of a season ago then the answers aren't gonna be pretty. Case closed. I think Steph and Steve are cool with each other. Look at the "photo of the day" on the Knicks website. Both guys are clowning around, laughing with that shopping cart full of drinks or whatever. Honestly guys no biggy here.

I actually like the Steph/Francis backcourt to start the game. It does have the chance to be special. Pluses far outweigh the minuses for me. You go with it to start, if both are red hot and playing well you milk it. Let the other team worry about stopping us. If they're not playing well together off the bat, Craw's in. Craw's gonna get his 30+ mins. regardless. And if you need more size in a particular matchup or more perimeter shooting to stretch the defense you go deeper with Q-Rich. If you're flat and need a spark, get the crowd fired up or you wanna push the tempo you go even deeper with Nate. And I'm not even mentioning Balkman and Collins at this point yet, two guys that have the chance to be real shut-down defenders down the line, maybe even sooner then that. Like those picks or not (and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't at the time), if there's a spot for guys like Eduardo Najera and Bruce Bowen in this league then Balkman and Collins won't have any problems. There's a ton of potential with our backcourt - it's the least of our worries.

[Edited by - finestrg on 10-10-2006 4:45 PM]
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Oohah, I don't get it. We tell guys like Taylor(who said the team sucks), AD(who said the same thing), and LB(talking about how to get Marbury to play PG) to shut up, they don't know what they are talking about, but Steph can say whatever he wants because he was asked the question? He can basically say-the guy is only here to replace me- and it's ok. So now only Steph can nail teammates to the media, as long as he is "asked the question"?

This is my problem with Stephon-he has no accountability whatsoever.

You're comparing apples to oranges. All Stephon did was state his opinion that LB only wanted Francis in order to ouster SM. Whether or not you agree with that assessment is one thing, but it sounds pretty on to me.

That is not the same as ripping into a team/player because you don't like them or are upset with your treatment.

Here is what you wrote:
He can basically say-the guy is only here to replace me

What he actually said:
Francis WAS only brought here to replace me.

There is a big difference in tose two statements. And don't you think Francis knows that too? So why would he take offense?

Are we just trying to find a way to set these two against each other?

I think many are digging too hard to find something wrong with everything SM says. It reminds me of when every word Ewing said was made into a headline controversy. Sometimes Ewing just made a comment and it was no big deal. S0metimes SM makes a comment and it is no big deal. Actually most of the time.


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I'm not gonna bash Marbury on his comments here. He stated what he thought was fact: he doesn't believe that Francis was brought here to team up with him, but rather to be his outright replacement. Hey, that's what he thinks and after the way Brown treated him last year, especially publically, who could blame him.

I don't think Francis feels unwelcome by these comments. They aren't really directed at him in a negative way. They are directed at Brown. No biggy for me. Everything considered, Brown did such a horrendous job around here last year that I don't blame anyone, especially our best player, if they don't want to just poo-poo any question from the media involving Larry Brown. You ask direct questions you're gonna get direct answers. And if those questions involve Larry Brown and his antics, intentions and possible hidden motivations of a season ago then the answers aren't gonna be pretty. Case closed. I think Steph and Steve are cool with each other. Look at the "photo of the day" on the Knicks website. Both guys are clowning around, laughing with that shopping cart full of drinks or whatever. Honestly guys no biggy here.

You said it better than I did.

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10/10/2006  10:00 PM
I am starting to think we have MSG moles who work to keep the tide of public opinion from getting out of hand.

The relentless deflection of fact into propaganda spin is amazing.

Isiah was the freaking GM. Isiah bought in Francis to placate Brown to replace PhuchBury, then its Isiah who did it! It may be Browns desire, but Isiah did it.

By all accounts, Marbury has not changed his stripes.
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10/10/2006  10:05 PM
I really like what Marbury has done under this new regime. He is Isiah's point man in forging team unity based upon shared values, namely a deep abiding hatred for Evil Larry Brown and fanatical love and devotion to James Dolan.
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10/10/2006  11:11 PM
Posted by Nalod:

I am starting to think we have MSG moles who work to keep the tide of public opinion from getting out of hand.

It sure feels like that...
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10/10/2006  11:28 PM
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Posted by Nalod:

I am starting to think we have MSG moles who work to keep the tide of public opinion from getting out of hand.

It sure feels like that...

I guess I'm busted.
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10/10/2006  11:32 PM
Posted by Nalod:

I am starting to think we have MSG moles who work to keep the tide of public opinion from getting out of hand.

The relentless deflection of fact into propaganda spin is amazing.

Isiah was the freaking GM. Isiah bought in Francis to placate Brown to replace PhuchBury, then its Isiah who did it! It may be Browns desire, but Isiah did it.

By all accounts, Marbury has not changed his stripes.

Marbury will never change his stripes. He has too much pride to be on a championship-calibur basketball team. Nalod, I don't think theres even a question if there are MSG moles on this forum. The amount of coddling Marbury and Isiah get on this forum when neither have done anything good for this franchise and have done quite the opposite is despicable.

I know what's coming, "you support larry brown!" Larry Brown is gone and no one should be mentioning him. Isiah and Marbles are still here and until they are run out of town, I will be voicing my opinion on them quite often.
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10/10/2006  11:41 PM
Allow me to commence the witch hunt. Who do you think are the MSG moles on this board?

I'll start.

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10/10/2006  11:44 PM
Posted by oohah:
Oohah, I don't get it. We tell guys like Taylor(who said the team sucks), AD(who said the same thing), and LB(talking about how to get Marbury to play PG) to shut up, they don't know what they are talking about, but Steph can say whatever he wants because he was asked the question? He can basically say-the guy is only here to replace me- and it's ok. So now only Steph can nail teammates to the media, as long as he is "asked the question"?

This is my problem with Stephon-he has no accountability whatsoever.

You're comparing apples to oranges. All Stephon did was state his opinion that LB only wanted Francis in order to ouster SM. Whether or not you agree with that assessment is one thing, but it sounds pretty on to me.

That is not the same as ripping into a team/player because you don't like them or are upset with your treatment.

Here is what you wrote:
He can basically say-the guy is only here to replace me

What he actually said:
Francis WAS only brought here to replace me.

There is a big difference in tose two statements. And don't you think Francis knows that too? So why would he take offense?

Are we just trying to find a way to set these two against each other?

I think many are digging too hard to find something wrong with everything SM says. It reminds me of when every word Ewing said was made into a headline controversy. Sometimes Ewing just made a comment and it was no big deal. S0metimes SM makes a comment and it is no big deal. Actually most of the time.


oohah

It's not apples to oranges, IMO. Marbury is saying Francis was only brought here to replace him. There is no difference between what I said and what Steph is saying. If Francis was brought here only to replace Stephon, than why is Francis here? What is his role? If Steph is still here, why should Francis be here?

I re-broached the idea of Francis coming here so LB could ship out Steph about a week before Steph said it. I said that it was the ONLY way I would have believed that LB was behind bringing Francis here. It looks likely. I understand why it was done. If it is the case, it is the case.

Stepho didn't say "Francis was brought here to help the team.". He said "Francis was only brought here to replace me.". Well guess what, Steph is still here. Francis came here as dead man walking. You could tell he didn't want to be here. Now, the mentally weak Francis show up in great shape and Steph comes out and says there is no role for him here. I can understand that, Steph being the public speaking genius that he is, maybe didn't mean to insult or whatever, but the way it came out has it sounding like he is saying there is no role for Francis here.

Just the fact that Isiah and Steph are still BLAMING LB for the trade instead of just accepting the trade happened and letting it rest can't be too encouraging to Francis.

Worst part of all? You can't believe anything Steph says through his media mouth piece because you never know if what he is saying is actually what he means and yutz's like us have to actually interpret statements instead of being able to take them at face value.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-10-2006 11:47 PM]
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