Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by PhilinLA:

Boy, I guess no one else ever experienced the first day of suicides.

I was in basketball for 10 years and I don't have the ideal body for a basketball player (more like a squat running back) and I NEVER had to be helped to finish them.

I guess being a squat running back doing suicides compared to a 6 feet 11 inches and 285 pounds basketball player is credible comparison.

[Edited by - buddapaw on 10-04-2006 4:16 PM]

As is a guy that plays rec basketball, compares to a guy who-as Martin said-is paid 10 mil, has a nutritionist and can spend as many hours as he wants in the gym. Get real, it isn't like he works a 9 to 5.

Gimme a break here. So any big professional athlete has a valid excuse for not finishing a running drill? The Jets put Justin McCairns on the physically unable to perform list the FIRST day of camp when he couldn't compelete a running drill.

The amount of slack you guys cut Curry is about as long as that bottomless pit that Luke Skywalker falls down after Vader kicks his ass.

Seats-Blue? Are you bizarro Blue-seats?

It's just real stupid on here, the season hasn't started yet and people are talking about us giving the Bulls Oden. Then you have the wide assortment of sunshiners, naysayers, optimists and pessimists. I just wish the season would start already and we can talk about basketball and less about the hardon some guys get when they speak ill of Marbury, Dolan, Curry, Thomas and (insert any other player or coach or official here). So put your grinding axes down and also chill with overkill of optimisum and wait for the season to start so we can either cheer on the team when they win and cut them to shreds when they lose like it's supposed to be.

Lets leave Shaq out of this. He came into the league and got right to work averaging close to 40 MPG and carrying his team to the post season and finals. Last year, at 34, he averaged by far his lowest minutes ever at 31 MPG, which still beats Eddy's best.

Are there better examples? I'm trying to think of heavy centers who really overcame it. I can't think of any. Trying NOT to think about Oliver Miller...

Posted by oohah:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Lets leave Shaq out of this. He came into the league and got right to work averaging close to 40 MPG and carrying his team to the post season and finals. Last year, at 34, he averaged by far his lowest minutes ever at 31 MPG, which still beats Eddy's best.

Are there better examples? I'm trying to think of heavy centers who really overcame it. I can't think of any. Trying NOT to think about Oliver Miller...

I don't think Shaq is a bad example as long as we are just talking body types. David Robinson used to beat EVERYBODY on his team in these kinds of drills, and I'll bet Olajuwan beat most guys too. On the other hand I'll bet Shaq has always been the last down the floor in suicides, except when he played with Dennis Scott. Scott was the fastest when they put a box of donuts at either end of the floor.

My point? They were/all greats and they have totally different body types and athletic abilities.

Melvin Ely was rumored to be a top-notch athlete for a center and Michael Olowokandi was serious track athlete. Ely is okay, and we all know about Kandi-ass.

But I digress...My point is that Curry will NEVER be the best at these drills, and will almost certainly be the slowest and the most winded, that is just the type of body he has.

Furthermore, I hope he pushes himself so hard that at the end of every stamina drill, his ass is falling down, so that Robinson, Frye, and Lee have to drag him to the finish line (Similar to dragging a beached whale back to the water), thereby increasing their strenth levels dramatically!

What is important is how Curry brings it on the court, don't you guys think? And if Curry is falling down at the end of these drills, he probably won't be when it is time to play.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 04-10-2006 10:56 PM]

Hey, it is most important that he brings it on the court, but if he is winded cause Isiah plays an up and down game like PHO, that ain't good, right?

I don't care that he was last, but he don't have to be winded nor does he have to be sooo winded that others help him down the court.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by PhilinLA:

Boy, I guess no one else ever experienced the first day of suicides.

I was in basketball for 10 years and I don't have the ideal body for a basketball player (more like a squat running back) and I NEVER had to be helped to finish them.

I guess being a squat running back doing suicides compared to a 6 feet 11 inches and 285 pounds basketball player is credible comparison.

[Edited by - buddapaw on 10-04-2006 4:16 PM]

As is a guy that plays rec basketball, compares to a guy who-as Martin said-is paid 10 mil, has a nutritionist and can spend as many hours as he wants in the gym. Get real, it isn't like he works a 9 to 5.

Gimme a break here. So any big professional athlete has a valid excuse for not finishing a running drill? The Jets put Justin McCairns on the physically unable to perform list the FIRST day of camp when he couldn't compelete a running drill.

The amount of slack you guys cut Curry is about as long as that bottomless pit that Luke Skywalker falls down after Vader kicks his ass.

The fact of the matter is that the guy is huge so of course he will have difficulty doing these drills at least he didn't quit. You guys are grasping for anything negative and parlaying it into assumptions of riduclous proportions. Do you guys know if the was doing another form of physical activity before the suicide? I sure as hell don't why because I was not there. These writers write articles to sell the paper and ad space, so taking their word as gosple and facts is rather foolish.

Posted by Masterplan:

screw JJ for getting injured and making eddy bring up the rear on those suicides all be himself

It's like a party thrown by a fat girl. The most important guest? The girl who is fatter than her!

oohah

Posted by BlueSeats:

Oohah, in one sense I understand the similarity in body types between Shaq and Curry. I don't have the vocabulary to describe them, but they are both large and thick. But early in Shaq's career he was admired for his extremely low body fat. He was considered freakish in his fitness for his size. Not so with Curry.

The point being, Shaq could play 40 MPG with a similar body type to Curry, while Curry has yet to play 30 MPG five years in. Later in his career, when his conditioning was slipping, Shaq would come into camp heavy and work his way into shape as the season progressed while Curry appears to slide backwards. They are certainly doing different things with their similar bodies, and so far Eddy more closely resemble the Shaq that nears retirement than the young Shaq.

Anyway, nobody's gonna care about Eddy's wind when he evidences that he's fulfilling his potential, but until then these indicators do more to confirm our fears than to put them to rest.

Hey man you're preaching to the choir about Shaq's uniqueness and it is amazing what he can do even today. His athleticism in his early days was ridiculous considering he pretty much has always been the biggest man in the game (Except for a couple of no-game freaks.).

Even today, he is more agile and can outjump the guy guarding him more often than not. And he still outbangs everbody.

My main point with Curry is "go til you drop". If he does that in practice and conditioning drills, I think his on court game will be damn good.

What do you think?

oohah

Posted by oohah:
My main point with Curry is "go til you drop". If he does that in practice and conditioning drills, I think his on court game will be damn good.

What do you think?

Seems most of us are close in our feelings about the theoretical potential of all these guys individually and as a unit. Seems most of what we discuss is how optimistic we are that they will fulfill it.

I think Eddy will always be a useful player, and will improve, but I don't expect him to fulfill his "franchise player" potential. I think having an able backup and rugged cohort in the front court will always be desirable. Otherwise one might just prefer to feature Frye in the offense and swap Eddy out for a better defender.

I think Knicks fans will forever argue over whether he's getting the right amount of minutes as his stats will be good, and his extended minute projections will always appear enticing, but his in-game inconsistencies will annoy us to no end. Eddy has a way of getting 18 points almost invisibly, and I'm not sure that's a good thing, because it often means they didn't come when you needed them most.

So there will be many of the same kinds of arguments we sometimes find with Steph. One guy says "he sucks and is killing the offense while playing no D", while the other guy thinks "what more can he do?" as he's putting up HOF stats.

Eddy will become a 34 MPG player with good numbers but he wont be clutch, smart or reliable, and while he will keep his size in check during his early prime years it will bedevil him in his 30's. We'll be glad we have him but our hopes and expectations will live more in Frye, and whoever else we may add.