Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by wsdm:

Joe, that's just garbage media speculation. In contrast, Brown's has been directly quoted saying he asked Isiah to get Francis. (I'm not sure if he has been quoted about Rose too, though.)

Wsdm, have you ever heard of plausible deniability? This is the exact opposite.

For example.

I'm in a union and we are in the middle of elections. One of the guys says, "Well, the president of the union told me to run."
What he doesn't say is that he called the president of the union and actually asked "President X, I am thinking of running for the union rep job, but I am not sure.". To which president X says "Sure you should run, everyone who wants to try to be a union rep whould run.".

Two totally different scenarios in the context of what is said. The guys isn't lying. But he also isn't telling the truth.

If Isiah said to Larry "Look, this is the best I can do now, but these guys will not be here next year becauzse I am planning a big move. But I need you to endorse this trade, because Dolan is looking at me sideways because of all this money I added. I promise they won't be here next year and I will use them to get you players you want. Just please endorse this trade". Larry says, "Ok...I'll endorse it to the media, but you gotta promise me that they won't be here."

Technically they can say Larry endorsed it and it isn't a lie. It also isn't the whole truth.

And the last thing I am gonna believe is ANYTHING coming out of Dolan's or Isiah's mouth in an interview, given by, edited by, and aired by a company that Dolan owns and everyone associated with the interview works for him.

Oh my god. The lengths people willl go to, to protect Larry Brown are unbelievable. You have invented a wholly unsupported scenario, that has LB saying things he doesn't mean, so that you can absolve him from responsibility.

ok.....your right....I'll believe the interview given, aired, edited, and produced by Dolan's underlings and shown on the Network he owns that say Dolan believes everything Isiah tells him (the same Isiah that said he would outright LIE to the media if it served the team right(in his opnion)), and believe Larry will foresake 30 years of going after the same type players and tell Isiah to go after a player Isiah was chasing for 2 freakin' years, yet it was all LB's fault.

Not ONCE DID I ABSOLVE LB FROM ALL BLAME. I said he very well could have supported the Francis trade with the notion that the better Francis did, the easier it would be to ship out Steph. The Jalen thing I am not buyng one story that says anything other than Larry's "endorsement" was along the line of, "Well, if nothing better comes along I still need a passer. Getting him would be my last option, though".

Posted by BlueSeats:

I understand Isiah's "plan" pretty well, I think.

In the years we still have our (lottery) draft pick we are "rebuilding." In the years we don't we are not.

See, Marbury 1st year rebuilding couldn't be spoken. The next year we had our lottery pick (Frye) so we were. Next two years Chi gets our pick, so we're not. Perhaps in '08 we will be again, until we convey the 2nd Marbury pick, and then we wont.

Pretty simply when you understand "spin"

Posted by Nalod:

Now that Bonn is gone I have misdirected anger.

that's a very good line.

Posted by Marv:

Posted by nixluva:


Tell me what guarantee did we have that this team would be in better shape right now if we did things differently? Is the example of Chicago or Boston proof that you always turnout better if you just back up the truck and rebuild from scratch? That doesn't always work, as there are MANY teams in the NBA with cap room and many years of high draft picks and they STILL haven't won a championship.

imo we'd be way better off than we are now. isiah's a great drafter - i would much rather have had him picking the best of the drafts than the way we're going now. i trust him to have nailed the true star from last year, be it aldridge, thomas, morrison, foye, whomever. i would have really trusted him next year, a la oden, noah, horford, whomever. instead, he keeps bringing in rejects, guys who other teams took really high and discovered weren't what they wanted. the crawfords, currys, richardsons, marburys, francises, taylors, and dare i say it, jeffrieses. this is why we've have such crap seasons and why i predict we're stuck on crap gear for awhile.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Panos:

Posted by Nalod:

Its funny, but that team was not going to be frozen in time.


IN december, just the 2nd month of the season Isiah will have been here three seasons.

Look at the roster now and realize the future is here. Is this the rebuild? Cuz in 3 years it sure looks like we did it. As well as raise our salary from about 85 mil to 135mil!

Is our younger guys really that good? ON paper we look better, but in 3 years we are now on coach number 5, still paying shandon, and have a boat load of contracts.

Most of which Isiah won't be trading in on bigger ones.

This is the year. If eddy is going to be a player this is it. This will be his SIXTH season!

Marbury has yet to show any leadership skills, and our rookies are not exactly world beaters.

While Isiah has been president we are a shameful organization.

Phuch Isiah and the job he has done!

This koolaid crap don't work on me.

IM A FAN AND I DON'T LIKE WHAT IS GONING ON. THATS NOT HATE, THATS JUST BEING REAL! I DON'T CARE WHOSE FAULT IT IS, I JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN WITH THE TEAM. ITS SUPPOSE TO BE FUN.

This is a new, angrier Nalod than we knew before.

Tell me what guarantee did we have that this team would be in better shape right now if we did things differently? Is the example of Chicago or Boston proof that you always turnout better if you just back up the truck and rebuild from scratch? That doesn't always work, as there are MANY teams in the NBA with cap room and many years of high draft picks and they STILL haven't won a championship.

The number of trades isn't the issue. The number of coaches isn't the issue. The salary cap number isn't the issue. All that matters now is how this team plays from here on out. I'm actually SHOCKED that so many of us have such a dim view of this team and the players we have. I think you're letting the negativity of the last season really effect your judgement of how good this team can be. You CAN'T use the last 2.5 seasons to judge the potential success of THIS team. This team has far too many players who've only been here for 1 season or LESS. You have ELEVEN players on this team who haven't been here for the entire term Isiah's been here. This team is relatively NEW. We have allow them a better shot at developing chemistry than they had last year. No matter what the reasons, last year was a disaster, but I don't think that we have bad players. I think if most of you were being honest you'd have to admit that we have enough talent to be a VERY competitive team.

This IS THE YEAR that we'll start to see this team come together and start to play up to its potential. Those young players that Nalod wonders about, will have a bigger role and a much more defined role this year. Isiah has made VERY good draft picks. They are all smart and talented and LEADERS on their respective teams in college. Many of us tend to overlook that fact. Just look at how these players played in the NCAA and NIT and just in general and you'll see that they are players who rise up in the big situation and not shrink back. I think Isiah is the right coach for the job and this team will improve a LOT this year and the next.

The problem I see it is Isiah went off on two directions. Rebuild thru the draft AND collect overpriced rejects orphaned from other teams. While on paper its a good plan especially when your actually paying for almost two teams with the payroll.

Now I can't say I don't agree with you at all that tha only thing that counts is this moment going forward. That is unless your a MSG lawyer! And the until Eddy starts to play up to his price we paid he is going to get bashed. WE gave up alot for the kid and I really hope this is the year. This will be his sixth season and its time to see it.

I like frye alot as I do lee. LIttle nate seems like a saturday morning cartoon and while he posessed some freaky athletic ability I fear his child like persona might be the real deal. Seems like a "special ED" kinda guy with mad hops!

What we differ is your enthusiasm that it WILL happen and I want to SEE it happen. In the end we want the same thing.

I don't like the past performance and elements that are Franbury. This is hard to think will change when the chips are down and the pressure is on. Here I want to see a change.

What is important to me is integrity. This team has been preaching this "charactor" thing a few years now but the owner and Isiah is not living it. We are seeing the symptoms of a badly run house.

Anucha, Stock options and the 40 days of shame they showed larry was all an embarassment. The way Management handled the firing of Don Chaney, both the hiring and firing of Lenny, the Shandon incident, the promotion of Herb and blowing him off with the seduction of Larry, and the events of the last few months.