Posted by Rich:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Rich:

Really? I guess you aren't aware that Cash didn't make most of the player personnel decisions over the last few years. He was only granted that power in his last contract that he signed in October.

It was the Tampa faction, led by George, who has been unduly influenced by Emslie and Connors, that made the stupid decisions.

there's a lot he's not aware of. Dont let that get in the way of healthy debate involving a variety of facts based on his opinions.

Kinda funny... last I checked Yanks were a half a game out of first and currently the wild card leader. That with 75 HRs and 250 RBIs in their corner outfielders out for most of the year. I guess the pitching must really stink.

And Cano and Dotel could be activated within 10 days. The arrow is pointing up.

yea... its always entertaining when fans who live in Canada harp off on the Yankees situation. Its also all relative. I was arguing with a guy in my office about the Yank's pitching. This staff isn't as good as 96,98 or 99, but neither is MLB. Right now the Twins have the best 1-2 punch as far as starters. After that its a wash. If you want to give a *slight* edge to Becket/Schilling over Wang/Mussina fine, but after that its a wash. The only thing I can knock the Yanks for is getting beat to Josh Becket. That was a tough pill to swallow, but if the Marlins wanted Philip Hughes I'm glad we didnt make that trade.

Hey Rich, sorry I gave you such a hard time yesterday. It was probably a combination of having a fever and a broken air-conditioner. You did post solid circumstantial evidence that Cashman has been overruled. All I have is circumstantial evidence that Cablevision cares about profits and nothing more, but that doesn't stop me from believing it. So I can see where you're coming from. I still don't like the moves the Yankees made from 2001 to 2005 overall but it looks like they're headed in the right direction now. Peace!

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Rich:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Rich:

Really? I guess you aren't aware that Cash didn't make most of the player personnel decisions over the last few years. He was only granted that power in his last contract that he signed in October.

It was the Tampa faction, led by George, who has been unduly influenced by Emslie and Connors, that made the stupid decisions.

there's a lot he's not aware of. Dont let that get in the way of healthy debate involving a variety of facts based on his opinions.

Kinda funny... last I checked Yanks were a half a game out of first and currently the wild card leader. That with 75 HRs and 250 RBIs in their corner outfielders out for most of the year. I guess the pitching must really stink.

And Cano and Dotel could be activated within 10 days. The arrow is pointing up.

yea... its always entertaining when fans who live in Canada harp off on the Yankees situation.

Coming from someone who lives in New Jersey that's a bit lame. I bet I spent more years in NY than you did, but I don't see the relevance of that anyway.

why is it lame? I'm a season ticket holder of all 81 games. I split them with a couple of guys but see them live 10-20 times a year, depending on my mood. Do Canadian newspapers talk about Philip Hughes? Do the dissect the details of the trades? Do they talk about Arod's $60mm being paid by Texas or the $15mm option that Phili will have to pay on Abreu? Or is it just "Yanks aquire more expensive talent" like ESPN and the rest of the national media spout out?

You may be a Yankee fan, but your not a very knowledgeable one. Instead you have taken this media created perception that there is no rhyme or reason to the Yanks and they just pour gazillions of dollars into the team, and that's why they succeed and the only reason they succeed. People that follow the team and pay attention to all the between the lines information (like Rich posted) know differently.

Does the $$$ give them an advantage? Obviously, but its only a part of what they do. Also, they weren't a monster payroll team in 96 when they won. What they did was continually put the huge amount of money their popularity was bringing in right back into the team. Its resulted in 10 straight division titles, 6 pennants, and 4 championships.

Your welcome for the discussion

Posted by Allanfan20:

Now now fish, I am sure he's heard of Phillip Hughes and Eric Duncan, but who's that guy Cox?

he's a pitcher in AA right now. I went to see a Trenton Thunder game to see some of the prospects down there, and came away very impressed. Cox is a righty with fantastic controll and has been unhittable this year. I believe he's also been asked to participate w/ the national team. He's a righty reliever, so he's a bit under the radar, but he got shelled the other night for like 5 runs and it balooned his ERA up to 1.92
He's 5-2 with a 1.89 ERA in 35 games. 66 innings, 46 hits 21 walks and 53 SOs. Just another guy in our "bankrupt" farm system. These ESPN guys wouldnt know a Yankee prospect if they found one dogging their wife.

They have some VERY young players there. But rather than rely on internet message boards or Yahoo sports I actually went to check it out for myself. I'm funny like that.

Here's an article mentioning Cox
http://www.nj.com/thunder/times/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1154146178273080.xml&coll=5

Posted by Allanfan20:

Mmmm, how about getting a lot of credit for winning those championships and being part of the organization known as the Yankees. Dunno about you, but sounds like a hell of a job for me.

In all fairness, Cashman inheritted a piece of gold. I don't pretend to know what happened from 2001-2005 when they did a lot of "starphucking"; maybe it was 100% Steinbrenner but I haven't seen proof of this. I'm just glad that that era appears to be over.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

why is it lame? I'm a season ticket holder of all 81 games. I split them with a couple of guys but see them live 10-20 times a year, depending on my mood. Do Canadian newspapers talk about Philip Hughes? Do the dissect the details of the trades? Do they talk about Arod's $60mm being paid by Texas or the $15mm option that Phili will have to pay on Abreu? Or is it just "Yanks aquire more expensive talent" like ESPN and the rest of the national media spout out?

You may be a Yankee fan, but your not a very knowledgeable one. Instead you have taken this media created perception that there is no rhyme or reason to the Yanks and they just pour gazillions of dollars into the team, and that's why they succeed and the only reason they succeed. People that follow the team and pay attention to all the between the lines information (like Rich posted) know differently.

Does the $$$ give them an advantage? Obviously, but its only a part of what they do. Also, they weren't a monster payroll team in 96 when they won. What they did was continually put the huge amount of money their popularity was bringing in right back into the team. Its resulted in 10 straight division titles, 6 pennants, and 4 championships.

Your welcome for the discussion

I watch nearly every Yankee game, read NY paper articles, post on a Yankee forum, and follow the team very closely. I also go to about 5 games a year between when I'm in NY or when the Yankees come to Toronto. I honestly don't know the answers to your questions about the Canadian media because I get my information from watching the team and following the NY media.

How come with the Knicks responsibility always ends with the GM (i.e., the Francis and Rose trades) despite strong circumstantial evidence to the contrary, whereas with the Yankees and Cashman this does not apply? I keep an open mind on both and just admit that I don't know what degree of decision making can be attributed to the GM in either circumstance. You pretend to know more than you do if you believe you can determine who to attribute responsibility to for every decision.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08-01-2006 12:04 PM]

Do you organize the ticket stubs of the games you attended by color? Decending date to which you went to the games? Or what you wore that day?

Doesn't Cashman constantly rate as one of the most overrated GMs in sports. Look at like this, Cashman's glory has been 3 championships (everyone forgets that Watson was GM during 96). As been pointed out, the 98-2000 championship teams for the most part have been Gene Micheals' influence (drafting of Jeter, Williams, Posada,Pettitte and Rivera). I think Cashman's biggest claim to fame is still the Scott Brosius acquistion. The Boss has actually had a better track record with his FA suggestions then Cashman. How great would David Ortiz look in a Yankee uniform, Cashman against the Boss' desires didn't pursue him when he was with the Twins, Cashman made the trade for Vazquez, was against the pursuit of both Gary Sheffield and Matsui. Cashman glory includes Jeff Weaver, he traded Mike Lowell for Ed Yarnall who he predicted would be one of the best young pitchers (yeah don't kill yourself trying to find Ed Yarnall in the MLB), he signed Jarret Wright, he was behind the Drew Henson saga (its sad the amount of prospects that the Yankees had to give up to get him back only to have to release him). As for as the farm system being poor, well it the lack of Stick's input that has been the other significant factor. Put this guy in the NBA and he is the only guy that I would have confidence that Isiah could get the best of any deal.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 08-01-2006 12:52 PM]

Posted by Panos:

Hmm... I have to refer this thread to the www.ultimatewhogivesa****.com

Then don't read it. If you got nothing to add to it than don't type stupid posts like the one you just did, other people would like talk about it. How selfish are you that just because you don't like a thread, means you think you can post something like that in a thread where people are having a conversation? Get over yourself.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Doesn't Cashman constantly rate as one of the most overrated GMs in sports. Look at like this, Cashman's glory has been 3 championships (everyone forgets that Watson was GM during 96). As been pointed out, the 98-2000 championship teams for the most part have been Gene Micheals' influence (drafting of Jeter, Williams, Posada,Pettitte and Rivera). I think Cashman's biggest claim to fame is still the Scott Brosius acquistion. The Boss has actually had a better track record with his FA suggestions then Cashman. How great would David Ortiz look in a Yankee uniform, Cashman against the Boss' desires didn't pursue him when he was with the Twins, Cashman made the trade for Vazquez, was against the pursuit of both Gary Sheffield and Matsui. Cashman glory includes Jeff Weaver, he traded Mike Lowell for Ed Yarnall who he predicted would be one of the best young pitchers (yeah don't kill yourself trying to find Ed Yarnall in the MLB), he signed Jarret Wright, he was behind the Drew Henson saga (its sad the amount of prospects that the Yankees had to give up to get him back only to have to release him). As for as the farm system being poor, well it the lack of Stick's input that has been the other significant factor. Put this guy in the NBA and he is the only guy that I would have confidence that Isiah could get the best of any deal.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 08-01-2006 12:52 PM]

You're correct. Fish will call you names now because you said something negative about his idol. Be prepared!

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

why is it lame? I'm a season ticket holder of all 81 games. I split them with a couple of guys but see them live 10-20 times a year, depending on my mood. Do Canadian newspapers talk about Philip Hughes? Do the dissect the details of the trades? Do they talk about Arod's $60mm being paid by Texas or the $15mm option that Phili will have to pay on Abreu? Or is it just "Yanks aquire more expensive talent" like ESPN and the rest of the national media spout out?

You may be a Yankee fan, but your not a very knowledgeable one. Instead you have taken this media created perception that there is no rhyme or reason to the Yanks and they just pour gazillions of dollars into the team, and that's why they succeed and the only reason they succeed. People that follow the team and pay attention to all the between the lines information (like Rich posted) know differently.

Does the $$$ give them an advantage? Obviously, but its only a part of what they do. Also, they weren't a monster payroll team in 96 when they won. What they did was continually put the huge amount of money their popularity was bringing in right back into the team. Its resulted in 10 straight division titles, 6 pennants, and 4 championships.

Your welcome for the discussion

I watch nearly every Yankee game, read NY paper articles, post on a Yankee forum, and follow the team very closely. I also go to about 5 games a year between when I'm in NY or when the Yankees come to Toronto. I honestly don't know the answers to your questions about the Canadian media because I get my information from watching the team and following the NY media.

How come with the Knicks responsibility always ends with the GM (i.e., the Francis and Rose trades) despite strong circumstantial evidence to the contrary, whereas with the Yankees and Cashman this does not apply? I keep an open mind on both and just admit that I don't know what degree of decision making can be attributed to the GM in either circumstance. You pretend to know more than you do if you believe you can determine who to attribute responsibility to for every decision. [Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08-01-2006 12:04 PM]

Still waiting for an answer!

Gee Bonn... I don't know. Maybe because MSG doesn't have a "braintrust."
The Knicks don't have a farm system.
The Yankees are owned by a passionate baseball fan dedicated to winning and having the best organization in the sport.
The Knicks are owned by rich kid who plays blues in bars, hires a GM to run his team and counts his pennies.
Its a dumb question... no offense.
As for the Canada stuff its because you talk like a guy that doesn't really know that much about what's going on in MLB and how the Yankees have run their business. It was just a guess.

Not I want part in the argument. Or that im choosing sides. But I think he attempted to answer your question with that. You must have missed it.