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holfresh
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7/29/2006  1:39 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is just a great signing. I've been begging and pleading to make a run at Jared since December of last year. The Knicks need players who are defensive minded and Jared is certainly that. He can guard 4 out of the 5 positions on the floor man to man and he's a damn good help defender. His offense is nothing to write home about but I think in this offense, where its based on alot of motion, cutting and passing that I think you will see Jared's offensive numbers go up a bit. In my mind, this is Isiah's best move since becoming GM of the Knicks, without a doubt in my mind. Jared does alot of little things that other NBA players don't want to do and I think you will really take to this guy after you see him play a bit.



You post crap like this then say I am the one who makes no sense...
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7/29/2006  1:41 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is just a great signing. I've been begging and pleading to make a run at Jared since December of last year. The Knicks need players who are defensive minded and Jared is certainly that. He can guard 4 out of the 5 positions on the floor man to man and he's a damn good help defender. His offense is nothing to write home about but I think in this offense, where its based on alot of motion, cutting and passing that I think you will see Jared's offensive numbers go up a bit. In my mind, this is Isiah's best move since becoming GM of the Knicks, without a doubt in my mind. Jared does alot of little things that other NBA players don't want to do and I think you will really take to this guy after you see him play a bit.



You post crap like this then say I am the one who makes no sense...


LOL! Good one Holfresh, you REALLY got me.

I would keel over and die if I ever saw you post something that didn't include alot of rhetoric and some "..." "..." "..." sprinkled all over the post. You would kill for posts like mine



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-29-2006 1:45 PM]
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7/29/2006  1:59 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is just a great signing. I've been begging and pleading to make a run at Jared since December of last year. The Knicks need players who are defensive minded and Jared is certainly that. He can guard 4 out of the 5 positions on the floor man to man and he's a damn good help defender. His offense is nothing to write home about but I think in this offense, where its based on alot of motion, cutting and passing that I think you will see Jared's offensive numbers go up a bit. In my mind, this is Isiah's best move since becoming GM of the Knicks, without a doubt in my mind. Jared does alot of little things that other NBA players don't want to do and I think you will really take to this guy after you see him play a bit.



You post crap like this then say I am the one who makes no sense...


And you make crap comments like that, less and less people are gonna read what you post, whether they make sense or not.
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7/29/2006  2:04 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Yeah I am...This guy will be taking valuable mins from guys like Frye, Lee and Balkman...Does he really have that much of an upside....I think all 3 of our current players have bigger upsides...They all can rebound better than this guy and is better offensively....He is all hustle which is a good thing but I thought we we building something with our young guys...Like is said, he is energy and chases down the loose ball but I think Isiah is being short sighted...He could have resisted this signing....

Don't get me wrong..Can Jeffries help, the answer is yes...But I think this hurts Lee alot....





[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 12:28 PM]
I don't he will take inutes from Lee or Frye. I think he and balkman should be spiltin time by the end of the year.
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7/29/2006  2:24 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This is just a great signing. I've been begging and pleading to make a run at Jared since December of last year. The Knicks need players who are defensive minded and Jared is certainly that. He can guard 4 out of the 5 positions on the floor man to man and he's a damn good help defender. His offense is nothing to write home about but I think in this offense, where its based on alot of motion, cutting and passing that I think you will see Jared's offensive numbers go up a bit. In my mind, this is Isiah's best move since becoming GM of the Knicks, without a doubt in my mind. Jared does alot of little things that other NBA players don't want to do and I think you will really take to this guy after you see him play a bit.



You post crap like this then say I am the one who makes no sense...


And you make crap comments like that, less and less people are gonna read what you post, whether they make sense or not.


Please Allan stay far from this one....NYK and I have a history and have been going like this for some time....Please stand aside as you intrusion is not welcomed...You and I can have a go on a more meaningfull topic...I really don't have the energy to partake in useless jabs at this moment...I hope that makes sense to you somehow....



[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 2:29 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 2:30 PM]
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7/29/2006  2:27 PM
Posted by tomverve:

Weird how it seems every single Wizards fan is so lukewarm on Jeffries. From what I've seen, I don't exactly get the hype either. Giving him the full MLE certainly seems like a case of overpaying in order to prevent a match from Washington. If we do land Jeffries I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the people waving his flag now end up complaining about his contract and the roster logjam he creates a few months into the season.

All told, I'd much rather have Qyntel Woods back.


yeah I don't know we're really overpaying I've yet to see a Wizards fan or knicks fan in the washington area say anything good about him. And the fact that they signed Songaila & rather 19yr old Blatche at sf in only his 2nd year makes you wonder. Never mind the logjam at SF. Isiah keeps saying he won't morgage the future but he jumps at every opportunity to sign a player and always overpays.
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7/29/2006  2:28 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by holfresh:

Yeah I am...This guy will be taking valuable mins from guys like Frye, Lee and Balkman...Does he really have that much of an upside....I think all 3 of our current players have bigger upsides...They all can rebound better than this guy and is better offensively....He is all hustle which is a good thing but I thought we we building something with our young guys...Like is said, he is energy and chases down the loose ball but I think Isiah is being short sighted...He could have resisted this signing....

Don't get me wrong..Can Jeffries help, the answer is yes...But I think this hurts Lee alot....





[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 12:28 PM]
I don't he will take inutes from Lee or Frye. I think he and balkman should be spiltin time by the end of the year.



Time will only tell...But that's alot of cash to pony up for a guy who is splitting time off the bench with a rook...I'm not really sure if he will be ahead ot Q1 or not....Gonna be interesting if he is signed..
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7/29/2006  2:35 PM
An MLE contract is really little cash by NBA standards. If you can get a talented role player who can make some positive things happen, you've done well with the MLE.
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7/29/2006  2:47 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

An MLE contract is really little cash by NBA standards. If you can get a talented role player who can make some positive things happen, you've done well with the MLE.


It's alot of cash in the sense that it make guys like Jerome James untradable...Not saying Jeffries is in that mold...but you can see how some teams may shy away if you wanted to move a player like that...
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7/29/2006  2:50 PM
An MLE contract is really little cash by NBA standards.
Knick fans can relax about Big Game then.

Anyways, I am all for Jeffries. Obviously something needs to be done with the roster. There simply isn't enough room for all the players we have, but I am not concerned about Balkman as others seem to be. From the little I've seen of the rookie, I love him, I wouldn't be surprised if he was my favorite Knick before the season is up (right now, have to go with D-Lee). Even with Jeffries, I'm confident Renaldo will get his minutes, even if he doesn't entirely earn them all, I'm convicned Zeke will put the kid out on the court to try and defend the pick he was torn apart for.
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7/29/2006  3:01 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:

An MLE contract is really little cash by NBA standards. If you can get a talented role player who can make some positive things happen, you've done well with the MLE.


It's alot of cash in the sense that it make guys like Jerome James untradable...Not saying Jeffries is in that mold...but you can see how some teams may shy away if you wanted to move a player like that...
Sure, it would be a lot of cash to give to my grandmother to play for the Knicks too. I'm talking about players who do something positive on the court. Jerome James and my grandma obviously don't count.

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7/29/2006  3:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:

An MLE contract is really little cash by NBA standards. If you can get a talented role player who can make some positive things happen, you've done well with the MLE.


It's alot of cash in the sense that it make guys like Jerome James untradable...Not saying Jeffries is in that mold...but you can see how some teams may shy away if you wanted to move a player like that...
Sure, it would be a lot of cash to give to my grandmother to play for the Knicks too. I'm talking about players who do something positive on the court. Jerome James and my grandma obviously don't count.

Just wait for a second.
...how tall's your grandma?
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7/29/2006  3:03 PM
Posted by TheGame:

To me this makes no sense. You have Woods, Richardson, and Rose who are all competent players at the 3. Plus you just draft Balkman to be your future starter at the 3.

Sorry dude, but we absolutely stink at the 3. We can't match up with most 3's in our division let alone the rest of the league. Now, I can't speak on how Jeffries might help that situation. But there is no question that Q1 and Rose leave a whole lot to be desired. Qyntel has the goods imo however we don't know if Isiah has it in mind to resign this kid. But the other two....Nope. Balkman looks like he might be alright but he's just a rookie.

Bottom line, at this point and time we stink at the 3.
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7/29/2006  3:08 PM

Sorry dude, but we absolutely stink at the 3. We can't match up with most 3's in our division let alone the rest of the league. Now, I can't speak on how Jeffries might help that situation. But there is no question that Q1 and Rose leave a whole lot to be desired.


but its scary that Wizard fans rather have Q1 than Jeffries
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7/29/2006  3:16 PM
Why are we worried about Wizards fans though? Why can't WE just watch him play. I've seen him play plenty of times.
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7/29/2006  3:28 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Why are we worried about Wizards fans though? Why can't WE just watch him play. I've seen him play plenty of times.


it's not that I don't think he's a solid player he is and overpaying for a player like that is fine but is he that much better than Q1 who rebounds better and might hit some 3's after Marbury penetrates and kicks. Every single person in the washington area said JJ's overrated defense and some actually think Q1 plays better D. Nevermind Balkman who's the next Ron Artest/Dennis Rodman. I really hope the Wizards sign & trade him elsewhere. We'll be fine without him

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07-29-2006 3:33 PM]
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7/29/2006  3:40 PM
Terrible signing. I can cry my eyes out right now over a move like this when we have other, much more sensible options. I mean WHAT THE FLYING F... is Zeke thinking??????????????? I'm not gonna get into this too much as I've already commented on Jeffries and his shortcomings at great length in the "Knicks want Jeffries" thread when we first heard about it a few weeks ago. I would 100% abosolutely, positively want Qyntel Woods back over this guy. I get the NBA package and I've seen this kid play quite a few times and trust me, this guy is nothing special. And if you don't believe me, listen to some of the comments by Wiz fans that have commented on this. Speaks volumes. Completely unremarkable player. Nice athlete with some nice size at 6'11" but a guy who does NOTHING with that size.

Look, Isiah, dude, you went for defense at the 3 with Balkman who you went out of your way to compare to Dennis Rodman. Why make a move like this? It's like the guy has no friggin' plan at all sometimes, I swear.

Qyntel Woods is younger, more of a natural SF, has such a higher ceiling than this guy it isn't even funny (which hasn't even been close to being realized yet because of the off-the-court problems he's had that in turn has led to ZERO playing time in his career so far), is a better scorer and just as good an athlete as Jeffries is. Plus he would come cheaper. 30M over 5 years for Jared Jeffries???????? Somebody pinch me please! I gotta be dreaming.

I don't mean to kill this poor kid but he makes ZERO sense for us, a team that is in dire need of shedding payroll and making better financial commitments to the right players moving forward. Well, he's the wrong player. He'll come here and first off take Q2's spot on the roster. Mistake #1. Then he'll preceed to take playing time away from Frye, Lee, Q-Rich (who, if healthy, is a player I'd much rather have on the floor) and Balkman (the highly touted defensive specialist that Zeke already drafted for the same purpose he brought Balkman in here - DEFENSE). Bad day for the Knicks. I throw my hands up with disgust and bewilderment at his one, I'm not gonna lie. I'll say a prayer ever night for a week before I go to bed that the Wiz match this crazy offer.
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Posted by Finestrg:

Terrible signing. I can cry my eyes out right now over a move like this when we have other, much more sensible options. I mean WHAT THE FLYING F... is Zeke thinking??????????????? I'm not gonna get into this too much as I've already commented on Jeffries and his shortcomings at great length in the "Knicks want Jeffries" thread when we first heard about it a few weeks ago. I would 100% abosolutely, positively want Qyntel Woods back over this guy. I get the NBA package and I've seen this kid play quite a few times and trust me, this guy is nothing special. And if you don't believe me, listen to some of the comments by Wiz fans that have commented on this. Speaks volumes. Completely unremarkable player. Nice athlete with some nice size at 6'11" but a guy who does NOTHING with that size.

Look, Isiah, dude, you went for defense at the 3 with Balkman who you went out of your way to compare to Dennis Rodman. Why make a move like this? It's like the guy has no friggin' plan at all sometimes, I swear.

Qyntel Woods is younger, more of a natural SF, has such a higher ceiling than this guy it isn't even funny (which hasn't even been close to being realized yet because of the off-the-court problems he's had that in turn has led to ZERO playing time in his career so far), is a better scorer and just as good an athlete as Jeffries is. Plus he would come cheaper. 30M over 5 years for Jared Jeffries???????? Somebody pinch me please! I gotta be dreaming.

I don't mean to kill this poor kid but he makes ZERO sense for us, a team that is in dire need of shedding payroll and making better financial commitments to the right players moving forward. Well, he's the wrong player. He'll come here and first off take Q2's spot on the roster. Mistake #1. Then he'll preceed to take playing time away from Frye, Lee, Q-Rich (who, if healthy, is a player I'd much rather have on the floor) and Balkman (the highly touted defensive specialist that Zeke already drafted for the same purpose he brought Balkman in here - DEFENSE). Bad day for the Knicks. I throw my hands up with disgust and bewilderment at his one, I'm not gonna lie. I'll say a prayer ever night for a week before I go to bed that the Wiz match this crazy offer.

Sorry misprint: and Balkman (the highly touted defensive specialist that Zeke already drafted for the same purpose he brought Balkman in here - DEFENSE).

I meant to say "that he suddenly wants this kid Jeffries in here for"

Sorry, I don't always have an edit option for some reason.
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7/29/2006  4:17 PM
I wish the deal was 4 years. Assuming Frye, Robinson, Lee and Balkman stay, it seems like we're now starting to erase our FA options in 2010. Jeffries is not a talent that we should sacrifice future opportunities for - its not that his deal is huge as much as that, with a couple more contracts like his, we are out of the running for Lebron, Bosh or Wade.

In my opinion, Jeffries's defense was overrated on Lebron. I haven't seen much more of him so I'm not sure where ihis potential lies and if he's worth more than Woods (who might not settle for the minimum). Certainly the contract length is questionable if not the personnel decision.
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7/29/2006  4:26 PM
This is a pretty bad signing. Thomas is further proving to be foolish in his choices. I rather have Butler and Woods then Jefferies who has been a disappointment since he left Indiana.
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