Posted by Anji:

^^^ Williams plays damn near most of game with the ball in his hand all the time, you can' compare him to balkman, because he has zero plays run for him.

The central point of the offense is to remove traditional positional roles from the players and to encourage them to use all of their skills. Rather than putting the ball in the point guard's hands and running set plays, the offense begins as soon as possession is obtained and extends the length of the court. There is no traditional point guard; rather there are several players designated as "push men," any of whom can bring the ball upcourt. On one side of the floor, triangle principles are used in conjunction with high-post shuffle cuts, commonly referred to as "UCLA." On the other side, the players run passing game concepts.

It is a marked and intentional departure from the two- and three-man isolation and pick-and-roll games so prevalent in the league. Thomas wants to involve all five players, keeping constant motion and flow and moving the ball from side to side in order to probe the defense.

"You want players to read and react," Thomas said. "You're asking them to think and be aware of who has the basketball. If Jermaine (O'Neal) is standing in one spot with the basketball it means something but, if Reggie (Miller) is standing there with the basketball, it means something totally different. You're asking them to read basketball situations and understand them."

Posted by nyballer:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Lets look at Marcus Williams 5 game total. Lets take out his worst game as they played b-b 5 times in a row---every player will have given into fatigue atleast one game.


in the other 4 games


9-15 24 points 12 assits 3 rebounds
4-12 16 points 9 assits 4 rebounds 2 steals
2-8 16points 12 assits 3 rebounds 2 steals
11-15 27 points 3 assits 3 rebounds 1 steal
---------------------------------------------
26-50==51%
21 points
9 assists
3.5 reb
1.75 steals

not a bad sample

how distorted!

let's take out his two best games instead:

4-12 16 points 9 assits 4 rebounds 2 steals
2-8 16points 12 assits 3 rebounds 2 steals
0-7 0 points 4 assists 4 rebounds 1 steal

6-27==22.2%
10.6 points
8.3 assists
3.6 reb
1.66 steals

stats mean nothing in summer league, it's about how you play. he's clearly got a mind for the game and can find his teammates, but he isn't a finished product and I think he needs to get in better shape.

How about we look at marcus williams minus his two best games vs. all of renaldo balkman's games

         ppg      apg      rpg     spg
mw       10.6     8.3      3.6    1.66 
rb       7.6      1.8      4.2    1.4  

So marcus williams playing at his worst is a better scorer than balkman, a much much better passer, better at stealing the ball, and only averages half a rebound less than our second coming of dennis rodman.

he's a nice pickup but since everyone wants to talk about how well he's been playing in summer league, which is encouraging, it's only fitting that people acknowledge that williams has been playing even better.

[Edited by - nyballer on 07-14-2006 4:49 PM]

Posted by Anji:

so, yeah. I know, the devil Isiah does it so you'll won't agree. [/blue]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Anji:

so, yeah. I know, the devil Isiah does it so you'll won't agree.

I've never seen a GM get more chances from the fans even after 3 years of service where each year his team has won less games then the year before. NEVER.

I can name couple, if you want. THe bigger point is you don't know them because Isiah is the devil and 3 years of gm'ing goes superPerfect ever where else. [/blue]

Posted by Anji:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Anji:

I don't know, the mavs looked great doing the samething.

This is the same, much like chairs and lobsters are the same.

When Cuban shelled out the money, he always was considered to have gotten the better end of the deal. How many times has that happened since Isiah has been here? He even traded a star that didn't fit his team (Jamison), got another very good player (Stackhouse) and a #5 pick (Harris). When has Isiah ever done such?

They're as alike as night and day.

^^ Yeah, Cuban(owner) = Isiah(GM)???? Who was talking about spending, I was talking about the fact that the mavs looked good with a point by committe back court.

[Edited by - Anji on 07-14-2006 5:21 PM]

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by nyballer:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Lets look at Marcus Williams 5 game total. Lets take out his worst game as they played b-b 5 times in a row---every player will have given into fatigue atleast one game.


in the other 4 games


9-15 24 points 12 assits 3 rebounds
4-12 16 points 9 assits 4 rebounds 2 steals
2-8 16points 12 assits 3 rebounds 2 steals
11-15 27 points 3 assits 3 rebounds 1 steal
---------------------------------------------
26-50==51%
21 points
9 assists
3.5 reb
1.75 steals

not a bad sample

how distorted!

let's take out his two best games instead:

4-12 16 points 9 assits 4 rebounds 2 steals
2-8 16points 12 assits 3 rebounds 2 steals
0-7 0 points 4 assists 4 rebounds 1 steal

6-27==22.2%
10.6 points
8.3 assists
3.6 reb
1.66 steals

stats mean nothing in summer league, it's about how you play. he's clearly got a mind for the game and can find his teammates, but he isn't a finished product and I think he needs to get in better shape.

How about we look at marcus williams minus his two best games vs. all of renaldo balkman's games

         ppg      apg      rpg     spg
mw       10.6     8.3      3.6    1.66 
rb       7.6      1.8      4.2    1.4  

So marcus williams playing at his worst is a better scorer than balkman, a much much better passer, better at stealing the ball, and only averages half a rebound less than our second coming of dennis rodman.

he's a nice pickup but since everyone wants to talk about how well he's been playing in summer league, which is encouraging, it's only fitting that people acknowledge that williams has been playing even better.

[Edited by - nyballer on 07-14-2006 4:49 PM]

except, Marcus shot 22% in those games and lost all of them and didn't play defense. And Balkman did things that didn't show up in the stat sheet and only lost in a game where the Knicks faced a top five player in the NBA. but, yeah, good comparison.

the entire point of drafting Balkman is that he does things away from the ball, moves without the ball, plays defense, creates turnovers, etc.

the new perimeter/zone rules favor a guy like Balkman. they also favor quick/fast PGs like Crawford, Nate and Devin Harris. I don't think they favor a guy like Marcus. maybe they do. I think Marcus at best ends up being Mark Jackson-lite. Balkman at best is our starting SF for the next 10 years who changes the game with his defense and fits perfectly next to Lee, Craw, Curry, Nate, Frye and the rest of our young players.

hey, if you're gonna point out marcus williams stats minus his two best games to make a point, i thought i'd show you how even in his worst performances he was better statistically than balkman. i like balkman, but i think we missed out big time by not getting williams too.

Posted by misterearl:

>>The Mavs team plays complimentary.

I agree - Marburty should give out more compliments to his teammates.

Nash high fives his dudes for everything.