Posted by newyorknewyork:

You guys went from talking about Eddie Curry being in shape. To bringing up Marburys track record. What a suprise.

Eddie Curry one on one post up is not the best thing for Eddie Curry or the Knicks. Eddie Curry is best off the guards penitration. Curry is T.O & foul prone when he post up without establishing deep position which he either takes to long or fails to do. Which drives guards nuts. And he isn't a great passer out of the post either. So how does running an offense through Eddie Curry help Curry or the Knicks.

Eddie Curry played his best when we went on the 6 game win streak when Marbury & Crawford & Nate were doing there thing and opening up the offense for Curry & Frye & Lee & Taylor.

Curry right now is a role player. Who has the size and physical tools to do damage without plays being called for him. He isn't a great rebounder or shotblocker either. Until Curry develops a consistant go to post move. And learns to pass out of the post. During games he should just be a role player to gets 11-12 attempts. Mostly off the guards, & broken plays, & offensive rebs a game scoring at a high % giving you 16-18pts and 6rebs.

Same with Frye. He needs to work his ass off on the other aspect of his game in practice & the offseason. But during games he needs to stick with his bread and butter. Hit jumpers, jump hooks, run the floor, put backs, finish on the break.

WHOOOA guys lets back up a second, cuz this was the BEST POST in this thread so far. This is EXACTLY what this team needs. I felt the same way about the offense last year. I assumed that we would allow our guards to do what they're best at and let the bigs THRIVE off of what they create. This is why we won during the streak. When teams are so preocuppied with the motion and attack of our guards, they can't focus on our bigs who will be open time and time again for easy layups, dunks and shots.

The thing is Curry as well as all of our bigs are going to be progressively improving, but force feeding them is not the answer. We have to be smart about how we attack teams and right now our guards are WAY ahead of our bigs in terms of development. So let them carry the action.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

You guys went from talking about Eddie Curry being in shape. To bringing up Marburys track record. What a suprise.

Eddie Curry one on one post up is not the best thing for Eddie Curry or the Knicks. Eddie Curry is best off the guards penitration. Curry is T.O & foul prone when he post up without establishing deep position which he either takes to long or fails to do. Which drives guards nuts. And he isn't a great passer out of the post either. So how does running an offense through Eddie Curry help Curry or the Knicks.

Eddie Curry played his best when we went on the 6 game win streak when Marbury & Crawford & Nate were doing there thing and opening up the offense for Curry & Frye & Lee & Taylor.

Curry right now is a role player. Who has the size and physical tools to do damage without plays being called for him. He isn't a great rebounder or shotblocker either. Until Curry develops a consistant go to post move. And learns to pass out of the post. During games he should just be a role player to gets 11-12 attempts. Mostly off the guards, & broken plays, & offensive rebs a game scoring at a high % giving you 16-18pts and 6rebs.

Same with Frye. He needs to work his ass off on the other aspect of his game in practice & the offseason. But during games he needs to stick with his bread and butter. Hit jumpers, jump hooks, run the floor, put backs, finish on the break.

Why would you give up 2 first rounders for a role player?

Because you just hired the best coach on earth and thought you were locked into at least a 42 win season with this genius on the sidelines..


[Edited by - holfresh on 07-11-2006 6:57 PM]

yeah he hired a coach not Merlin or the Ghini from the Lamp. try again.

need a starting point: Isiah believes he is smarter than the other GM's and coaches so he took a stupid and unnecessary gamble which he prayed up on top Mt. Sinai Larry Brown would be able to rectify. However once again he failed to do his homework. Most Brown centers were DEFENDERS with the exception of Smits but at least Smits was a very smart offensive player who could PASS along with his ability to make shots posting or facing. <feel free to add on>

Posted by Bippity10:

Still doesn't answer why you would give up two first rounders for a role player. If Curry is our franchise guy and we are truly about developing our future doesn't it make sense to force feed him? If force feeding rookies minutes is the right thing because they are your future isn't forcefeeding your franchise guy a very similar philosophy?

But if we are just looking to win today let's desing an offense that makes sure that Francis and Marbs get theirs.

cha-ching. And that's why Dolan's 1 year demand is not so good for the team or Isiah. Just doesn't make sense.

Posted by Bippity10:

Still doesn't answer why you would give up two first rounders for a role player. If Curry is our franchise guy and we are truly about developing our future doesn't it make sense to force feed him? If force feeding rookies minutes is the right thing because they are your future isn't forcefeeding your franchise guy a very similar philosophy?

But if we are just looking to win today let's desing an offense that makes sure that Francis and Marbs get theirs.

Curry can develop in practice. When he shows consistantly that he can be a go to guy in practice then thats when they could start running the offense through him. Not that Franics & Marbs should look specifically to get theres. But they should be the creaters. Not Curry, until he develops that ability through practice.

Apparently Aguirre is going to be working with Curry on his post Game and mental approach. He'll be teaching Curry how Isiah wants him to play the position. I'm very optimistic that he can make the minor adjustments to his game that will allow him to be successful. You see so many of you seem to think he's far away from being a VERY good Center in this league, but in reality he's not that far off. He simply needs to change his approach. He already does things that show he's got the talent its a matter of refining his game to be more of a team player and to do the things that a center does. It amazes me how many guys have pretty much written him off at 23 FREAKIN YEARS OLD.
MY GOD! What's wrong with you people? Frye, Lee and Curry are all the same AGE!!!! Curry has PLENTY of time to refine his game. Don't go putting any artificial deadlines on this guys career. He came out too early and now he's paying for it, but don't be so quick to assume he won't get it. He's still just a kid in NBA terms.

Posted by Andrew:

I hope he is. Did anyone else hear the annoucers say Frye was at 3-4% body fat? There is no way that is true.

It's true. there's about 3 to 4% of body fat in his facial cheeks.

Posted by nixluva:

Apparently Aguirre is going to be working with Curry on his post Game and mental approach. He'll be teaching Curry how Isiah wants him to play the position. I'm very optimistic that he can make the minor adjustments to his game that will allow him to be successful. You see so many of you seem to think he's far away from being a VERY good Center in this league, but in reality he's not that far off. He simply needs to change his approach. He already does things that show he's got the talent its a matter of refining his game to be more of a team player and to do the things that a center does. It amazes me how many guys have pretty much written him off at 23 FREAKIN YEARS OLD.
MY GOD! What's wrong with you people? Frye, Lee and Curry are all the same AGE!!!! Curry has PLENTY of time to refine his game. Don't go putting any artificial deadlines on this guys career. He came out too early and now he's paying for it, but don't be so quick to assume he won't get it. He's still just a kid in NBA terms.

you have it wrong... a lot of late bloomers, especially big men start late because their skills take longer to develop. Guys like Brad Miller and Ben Wallace went undrafted but became excellent players after floating around 3-4 years.

The issue with Curry isnt about his skill or talent, its about his effort. If he shows up fat its because basketball isnt the #1 priority in his life, and to be an NBA star it has to be.

Whats holding a guy like Bynum back is skills. He needs to develop them. Whats holding Curry back is between the ears. He's lazy. Can Aguire teach him to put the big mac down?

I will say this about Isiah. The more he talks and says stuff like "there are no saviors", "we need to change the atmosphere", "we need to get rid of the culture of losing", "We won't add anymore long-term contracts at the expense of our future" the more I begin to think that he has abandoned his original plan after reading my posts.

Actually I didn't say that. If you read my thousands and thousands of posts I talk about the atmosphere that we have created here that forces coaches and GM's to build around winning today and forego the future. Never did I say "Isiah is playing the vets" to save his job. I will however say that for the last two years he has "acquired vets and name coaches" in order to save his job. If we stuck to a plan Francis would not be here, Jalen would not be here but once again we got side tracked and forgot our plan, ignored building around the guy we gave up two draft picks for and instead grabbed more "me first", "shoot first" players that didn't fit a plan. Just because we are starting anew doesn't erase the past and our current position. Now once again for the 6th time in 5 or 6 years we are starting all over again and trying to see what we have and start with a new plan. This is why we end up in disarray.

Now there is no telling what Isiah will do as a coach. No telling how he will design the system. But judging by many of the posts on this board we seem to want to build an offense around Steph and Steve even though we gave up an awful lot to get Curry. So the fans once again with their wonderful patience want to abort the plan and re-adjust so we can make the playoffs. As Isiah's neck is on the line, will he think the same way? These are questions I ask constantly. Constantly because I ask these obvious questions I am lumped into categories of hating or liking certain players. People keep blasting me for making these points when I just keep asking the question as to why year after year after year after year we put coach's in this same position. Why should I believe that unlike Don and Lenny and Herb and Larry that Isiah will coach for tomorrow over protecting his career? Why should he be different?

[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-12-2006 12:08 PM]

Man I hope we can get rid of JRose and Francis ASAP...Isiah has invested too much in Curry to have Francis, JRose and Marbs pound the ball...I really don't see that happening...I really believe some vets will have their feelings hurt early and often...But I guess we will have to see..

Posted by holfresh:


Man I hope we can get rid of JRose and Francis ASAP...Isiah has invested too much in Curry to have Francis, JRose and Marbs pound the ball...I really don't see that happening...I really believe some vets will have their feelings hurt early and often...But I guess we will have to see..

agree with you. I guarantee that vets will have their feelings hurt. In the backcourt their are 96 minutes to divide between 4 guys who realistically can complain if they don't get 35 each. Someone is going to be unhappy. Someone's role is going to change constantly. Unfortunately with the excuse making the last few years(and especially last year) we have made it clear that it's okay for players to not play hard if their roles change and minutes are sporadic.

So since LB set the precedent with 42 line-ups and everyone saying they can understand why players quit, what's the difference this year when Isiah decides on 3 in the backcourt. Or takes minutes away from MoT or Jalen or anyone else. When those guys are asked to play because someone goes down to injury or poor play. Those guys minutes are sporadic, they won't know their roles, why should they play hard when called upon? This is the excuse making that I keep saying we have to erradicate. No matter how much as fans you may hate LB you can not lower your standards and say it's okay for a player to quit becuase they don't understand their role. Because that just sets a losing situation that could persist when you need it. Now for those that skim: I am not saying this has happened or will happen under Isiah(as far as I know eveyrthing is perfect now that LB is gone) but I am saying that winning organization's do not allow these losing mindset to exist. So far we are still saying that this way of thinking is okay. You won't win a title that way.


[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-12-2006 12:31 PM]