I find it funny how now the LB supporters, who hate the players and Isiah, want us to think that this team MUST be .500 or better just because the players are saying LB confused them and mismanaged them into 23 wins. Well for one thing lets go back and think for a minute. This team was never expected to just come bursting out of the gates last year. We ALL expected a slow start but that the team would show progress and eventually get it together. We had 8 NEW PLAYERS and a lot of young players, so its not like Isiah was touting this team as a title contender. All LB had to do was show progress with the team and instead the team regressed.

Don't now try to make this about the players saying things so now they have to prove how great they are. LB never allowed this team to go thru its NATURAL progression. Now you guys want the team to prove something and you seem to have some anger at the players which I can't understand. MOST of the guys on this team didn't do anything to deserve the kind of hatred that some of you are showing for them. You've TOTALLY bought into the LB propaganda. Just listen to these kids talk and you can tell that none of them are a problem child or selfish. All they did last year was try hard to do what LB wanted, so don't hand us this crap now just because they are speaking the TRUTH.

Do you guys want this team to succeed or fail so you can talk crap. That's what I want to know.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Its funny how last season a bunch of these crybabies tried to twist the meaning of a Frye's statement into something derogatory about Steph. Now that he has spoken out about the madness that was LB last year, guys are outraged, and indignant. LOL!! Could this get any crazier?!?!

They like to say "we all admit Larry sucked"...........but when a rookie brings to light exactly what it is he did that sucked, it makes you get your panties in a bunch???? Its called denial. You don't admit it, and thats why your collective faces must be rubbed in it.

Theres always a new different reason why they are outraged.

LBlovers: Well the rookies should be saying it.

Knicksfans: But Malik Rose said it too.

LBlovers: Well when has he won anything?

Knickfans: Huh? LOL! He has several rings and is very well respected around the league.

LBlovers: I don't like the back and forth in the media tho.

Knickfans: [dies from a laughter-induced respitory failure. Later has open-casket with permanent smile affixed to face.]

[Edited by - killa4luv on 07-06-2006 10:09 AM]

Killa get off it already. Take of the Isiah colored glasses and see everything for what it is. Try an objective look.

nixluva: Huh?

Why is it that everything has to be about LB? Move on. This is about the Knicks and what we need to do to be successful. We won 23 games last year. From all opinions the reason we won 23 games is because of LB. So now LB is gone. Now things are back to normal. Now they can just concentrate on playing basketball. If that's the case, that's what I want to see. LB is gone now, that should mean there is no more whining in the media, or complaining about roles right? That's my expectation. Not asking anyone to prove anything to me. That should be the norm because LB is gone.

The reason players have something to prove is because independent of Larry, guys like Stevie and Steph and Eddie and JJ and Mo and jamal have been question marks long before they got here. They've always made excuses for their inability to win games. Okay the final obstacle of LB has been removed so as a fan I am to expect that our team will now start winning.

Posted by djsunyc:

rv - i'm no more lost than you are.

my problem is why these things are being said now. lb is gone. the players said their piece in the exit interviews and he's gone b/c of it. so when asked about lb, they should just say something like "no comment or we moved on". but they didn't. they continued to push the "lb was the reason we lost last year" mantra. dolan, isiah, and now all the players are saying it. so they're completely holding lb accountable for everything and themselves for nothing.

alot of you think this is ok and some feel vindicated. to that i say "puh-leaze". is this some sort of war of words or "who's right and who's wrong?". just like when dolan said isiah has one year and gave him the ultimatum on tv. like that's supposed to mean anything.

when will they stop with all this bravado and he said/she said crap and concentrate on what's best for the team and the franchise? that's what i'm upset about.

Frye, Nate and Lee said yesterday what most of us who dislike Brown were saying all season. Do you think myself and the other posters here who dislike Brown are part of the Cablevision conspiracy, or do you think that maybe this is what we're actually seeing and that this is valid. Lee said what I've said all along - if you don't give people clear roles, they are going to struggle.

If you don't think LB is responsible for last season, fine. But I think you should answer as to whether you would have given him credit if it went well.

funny how people r actually DEFENDING larry browns use of the rookies? good way to tell which posters dont know what they r talking about and dont really watch this team

Posted by fishmike:

This franchise has been nothing but excuse after excuse for everyone thats played here the last 5 years. Since when is having fun a key requisite? Learn to win in the league first, then have some fun playing the game. The laid back, your a star, go have a good time approach produces guys like Steve Francis. Lots of flash and no substance, unless you count something other than winning basketball games substance.

I've had guys like that come on my baseball team. They just want to fart around and have a good time. There's a league for that, its call slow pitch softball. If your not going to show up in shape and ready and able to contribute go play in a coed pickup game. To me nothing is more "fun" than working hard and seeing that work translate on the field. Winning is fun

Whats the excuse going to be this year? Too many players? Lame duck coach? Fat guys getting injured and messing up the line ups?

I'm GLAD Channing showed up beefed to 260. Hopefully the rookies and sophmores and be big contributors. Wanna know what will really make me excited this year? If Curry shows up weighing 260-270 instead of the 300 he played at last year.

This has almost nothing to do with effort. This is about leadership. Brown demonstrated absolutely zero last year. From the jump, he created an antagonistic atmosphere - i.e. benched Jamal on opening night without telling him after starting him all through pre-season, started calling out players left and right, didn't play Frye on opening night. This is a young team, encouragement, leadership, defining roles, setting a rotation are all imperative. Brown did a horrible job as a coach and then demanded panic moves after his hated Marbury went down (aka the only player who could orchestrate wins in spite of Brown) for at the very least Jalen Rose, and probably had some involvement in the Francis deal...

Brown did a horrible job and he was clearly angling for roster control and quite probably Isiah's job as well. He had to think he had the upper hand with the longer contract and superior reputation.

Nate Robinson's behavior and play has NOTHING, repeat nothingwhatsoever to do with a lack of effort. That guy played 100% effort every single minute he was on the floor. And because he couldn't rip his effort, he ripped his exuberance. Brown's performance here (on the job and his daily soap opera moaning in front of media) was a sick joke. Yet people still rush to his defense, citing past performance. Except his last three jobs have all been embarassments (fired from Detroit for interviewing with another organization during playoffs, embarassed at Olympics, embarassed all of New York).

Next season doesn't have to be about wins and losses, I just want to believe this team can build something out of all this talent again. I believe that will come back and that the wins will come out of that. If you think effort is the problem - why disparage Nate Robinson? why bench David Lee? why not make examples of them as guys who play all out every night? Are you seriously going to tell me that Ariza was not in shape and didn't give effort? Brown is a joke.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by fishmike:

This franchise has been nothing but excuse after excuse for everyone thats played here the last 5 years. Since when is having fun a key requisite? Learn to win in the league first, then have some fun playing the game. The laid back, your a star, go have a good time approach produces guys like Steve Francis. Lots of flash and no substance, unless you count something other than winning basketball games substance.

I've had guys like that come on my baseball team. They just want to fart around and have a good time. There's a league for that, its call slow pitch softball. If your not going to show up in shape and ready and able to contribute go play in a coed pickup game. To me nothing is more "fun" than working hard and seeing that work translate on the field. Winning is fun

Whats the excuse going to be this year? Too many players? Lame duck coach? Fat guys getting injured and messing up the line ups?

I'm GLAD Channing showed up beefed to 260. Hopefully the rookies and sophmores and be big contributors. Wanna know what will really make me excited this year? If Curry shows up weighing 260-270 instead of the 300 he played at last year.

This has almost nothing to do with effort. This is about leadership. Brown demonstrated absolutely zero last year. From the jump, he created an antagonistic atmosphere - i.e. benched Jamal on opening night without telling him after starting him all through pre-season, started calling out players left and right, didn't play Frye on opening night. This is a young team, encouragement, leadership, defining roles, setting a rotation are all imperative. Brown did a horrible job as a coach and then demanded panic moves after his hated Marbury went down (aka the only player who could orchestrate wins in spite of Brown) for at the very least Jalen Rose, and probably had some involvement in the Francis deal...

Brown did a horrible job and he was clearly angling for roster control and quite probably Isiah's job as well. He had to think he had the upper hand with the longer contract and superior reputation.

Nate Robinson's behavior and play has NOTHING, repeat nothingwhatsoever to do with a lack of effort. That guy played 100% effort every single minute he was on the floor. And because he couldn't rip his effort, he ripped his exuberance. Brown's performance here (on the job and his daily soap opera moaning in front of media) was a sick joke. Yet people still rush to his defense, citing past performance. Except his last three jobs have all been embarassments (fired from Detroit for interviewing with another organization during playoffs, embarassed at Olympics, embarassed all of New York).

Next season doesn't have to be about wins and losses, I just want to believe this team can build something out of all this talent again. I believe that will come back and that the wins will come out of that. If you think effort is the problem - why disparage Nate Robinson? why bench David Lee? why not make examples of them as guys who play all out every night? Are you seriously going to tell me that Ariza was not in shape and didn't give effort? Brown is a joke.

Hey man that just seems too logical for the diciples of BROWNINTOLOGY to understand.

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by fishmike:

This franchise has been nothing but excuse after excuse for everyone thats played here the last 5 years. Since when is having fun a key requisite? Learn to win in the league first, then have some fun playing the game. The laid back, your a star, go have a good time approach produces guys like Steve Francis. Lots of flash and no substance, unless you count something other than winning basketball games substance.

I've had guys like that come on my baseball team. They just want to fart around and have a good time. There's a league for that, its call slow pitch softball. If your not going to show up in shape and ready and able to contribute go play in a coed pickup game. To me nothing is more "fun" than working hard and seeing that work translate on the field. Winning is fun

Whats the excuse going to be this year? Too many players? Lame duck coach? Fat guys getting injured and messing up the line ups?

I'm GLAD Channing showed up beefed to 260. Hopefully the rookies and sophmores and be big contributors. Wanna know what will really make me excited this year? If Curry shows up weighing 260-270 instead of the 300 he played at last year.

This has almost nothing to do with effort. This is about leadership. Brown demonstrated absolutely zero last year. From the jump, he created an antagonistic atmosphere - i.e. benched Jamal on opening night without telling him after starting him all through pre-season, started calling out players left and right, didn't play Frye on opening night. This is a young team, encouragement, leadership, defining roles, setting a rotation are all imperative. Brown did a horrible job as a coach and then demanded panic moves after his hated Marbury went down (aka the only player who could orchestrate wins in spite of Brown) for at the very least Jalen Rose, and probably had some involvement in the Francis deal...

Brown did a horrible job and he was clearly angling for roster control and quite probably Isiah's job as well. He had to think he had the upper hand with the longer contract and superior reputation.

Nate Robinson's behavior and play has NOTHING, repeat nothingwhatsoever to do with a lack of effort. That guy played 100% effort every single minute he was on the floor. And because he couldn't rip his effort, he ripped his exuberance. Brown's performance here (on the job and his daily soap opera moaning in front of media) was a sick joke. Yet people still rush to his defense, citing past performance. Except his last three jobs have all been embarassments (fired from Detroit for interviewing with another organization during playoffs, embarassed at Olympics, embarassed all of New York).

Next season doesn't have to be about wins and losses, I just want to believe this team can build something out of all this talent again. I believe that will come back and that the wins will come out of that. If you think effort is the problem - why disparage Nate Robinson? why bench David Lee? why not make examples of them as guys who play all out every night? Are you seriously going to tell me that Ariza was not in shape and didn't give effort? Brown is a joke.

Hey man that just seems too logical for the diciples of BROWNINTOLOGY to understand.

There are few players that went out all out this year (but not one player that went all out consistently).
Nate, Lee, Frye, Craw, Q were the guys I saw that came out to play. But they all did coast at one points. Also, noone on this team exhibited any leadership.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by fishmike:

This franchise has been nothing but excuse after excuse for everyone thats played here the last 5 years. Since when is having fun a key requisite? Learn to win in the league first, then have some fun playing the game. The laid back, your a star, go have a good time approach produces guys like Steve Francis. Lots of flash and no substance, unless you count something other than winning basketball games substance.

I've had guys like that come on my baseball team. They just want to fart around and have a good time. There's a league for that, its call slow pitch softball. If your not going to show up in shape and ready and able to contribute go play in a coed pickup game. To me nothing is more "fun" than working hard and seeing that work translate on the field. Winning is fun

Whats the excuse going to be this year? Too many players? Lame duck coach? Fat guys getting injured and messing up the line ups?

I'm GLAD Channing showed up beefed to 260. Hopefully the rookies and sophmores and be big contributors. Wanna know what will really make me excited this year? If Curry shows up weighing 260-270 instead of the 300 he played at last year.

This has almost nothing to do with effort. This is about leadership. Brown demonstrated absolutely zero last year. From the jump, he created an antagonistic atmosphere - i.e. benched Jamal on opening night without telling him after starting him all through pre-season, started calling out players left and right, didn't play Frye on opening night. This is a young team, encouragement, leadership, defining roles, setting a rotation are all imperative. Brown did a horrible job as a coach and then demanded panic moves after his hated Marbury went down (aka the only player who could orchestrate wins in spite of Brown) for at the very least Jalen Rose, and probably had some involvement in the Francis deal...

Brown did a horrible job and he was clearly angling for roster control and quite probably Isiah's job as well. He had to think he had the upper hand with the longer contract and superior reputation.

Nate Robinson's behavior and play has NOTHING, repeat nothingwhatsoever to do with a lack of effort. That guy played 100% effort every single minute he was on the floor. And because he couldn't rip his effort, he ripped his exuberance. Brown's performance here (on the job and his daily soap opera moaning in front of media) was a sick joke. Yet people still rush to his defense, citing past performance. Except his last three jobs have all been embarassments (fired from Detroit for interviewing with another organization during playoffs, embarassed at Olympics, embarassed all of New York).

Next season doesn't have to be about wins and losses, I just want to believe this team can build something out of all this talent again. I believe that will come back and that the wins will come out of that. If you think effort is the problem - why disparage Nate Robinson? why bench David Lee? why not make examples of them as guys who play all out every night? Are you seriously going to tell me that Ariza was not in shape and didn't give effort? Brown is a joke.

Hey man that just seems too logical for the diciples of BROWNINTOLOGY to understand.

There are few players that went out all out this year (but not one player that went all out consistently).
Nate, Lee, Frye, Craw, Q were the guys I saw that came out to play. But they all did coast at one points. Also, noone on this team exhibited any leadership.

Starts with the coach he was leading the team to nowhere.