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Finestrg
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6/27/2006  12:31 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by islesfan:

This whole thing about LB looking to make trades is beyond asinine. How do you make trades when you don't have the power to make them? All coaches talk to people they know on other teams about personnel. It's absolutely ridiculous that another GM would say that they had a better offer from LB when he's not even authorized to make deals.

With Brown's stature, its totally believable that they would believe that he has the authority to make those kinds of decisions.

And how is that?? HE DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE DEALS!!! He can't call the NBA offices and tell them to pull the trigger, can he??? No he can't and his stature has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Why would they believe it when they know as well as anybody on this earth that their coach CAN'T make trades.

Man you are missing the point. He can't FINALIZE trades, ok, but I think he called up different GMs/Asst. GMs around the league and planted some seeds and tried to tinker himself. Why do you find that so hard to believe? Bottom line is that there is no doubt that he did just that and that totally undermines Isiah's position as Knicks GM. Larry clearly overstepped his bounds. Dolan specially stated that Isiah would be calling around and some GMs actually said that they had slightly different trade scenarios with Larry FOR THE SAME PLAYERS! Think about that, how absurd that is and how out-of-line that is of Brown. Think about how you would feel if you were Isiah and that happened to you. Bottom line is THAT IT'S ISIAH'S JOB TO INITIATE TRADE DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER TEAMS!!!! NOT LARRY'S!!! CASE CLOSED!!! Jesus... If any of the Larry supporters out there don't understand that, then they're as "delusional" as Trevor Ariza!
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djsunyc
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6/27/2006  12:33 AM
again, i ask, what's the over/under on isiah resigning?

there's a chance he may not even be the coach opening night...and it may happen as soon as the arbitration is over.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-27-2006 12:35 AM]
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6/27/2006  12:42 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

again, i ask, what's the over/under on isiah resigning?

there's a chance he may not even be the coach opening night...and it may happen as soon as the arbitration is over.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-27-2006 12:35 AM]

No chance, imo. This is his last chance to salvage his rep.
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6/27/2006  1:04 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by Rich:

Were Brown and Glass truthful with the media as things fell apart with Detroit last year?
Why are you wasting your time? The owner of the Pistons, who never goes on TV went on TV last year to say Brown was a bad guy. Same thing happens this year. How can two very different owners comet to the same conclusion? Are they conspiring against Larry?

But let's not forget that Davidson is a very sneaky, evil person himself. Lots of bad stories out there about him too.
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6/27/2006  1:08 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by Rich:

Were Brown and Glass truthful with the media as things fell apart with Detroit last year?
Why are you wasting your time? The owner of the Pistons, who never goes on TV went on TV last year to say Brown was a bad guy. Same thing happens this year. How can two very different owners comet to the same conclusion? Are they conspiring against Larry?

But let's not forget that Davidson is a very sneaky, evil person himself. Lots of bad stories out there about him too.
There were bad stories about Larry before he went to the Pistons, going way back. You should hear how some UCLA people feel about him. None of the guys involved in this have solid reps.

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6/27/2006  1:23 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by islesfan:

This whole thing about LB looking to make trades is beyond asinine. How do you make trades when you don't have the power to make them? All coaches talk to people they know on other teams about personnel. It's absolutely ridiculous that another GM would say that they had a better offer from LB when he's not even authorized to make deals.

With Brown's stature, its totally believable that they would believe that he has the authority to make those kinds of decisions.

And how is that?? HE DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE DEALS!!! He can't call the NBA offices and tell them to pull the trigger, can he??? No he can't and his stature has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Why would they believe it when they know as well as anybody on this earth that their coach CAN'T make trades.

Isles, his deal ran longer than Isiah's. He has a long history in this league of going to the front office with deals he wants to make. Is it so hard to believe that he made calls to his friends around the league to inquire about the availibility of certain players? Is it so hard to believe that Isiah not knowing about this compromised his position? No one is saying he was going to complete the deal, but he could have easily gone to Isiah with a deal and said I need this.

You'll notice Glass didn't laugh off the Jalen Rose trade and that Brown lauded Rose after his first game here and acted like he was a genius for begging for Jalen.
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6/27/2006  1:32 AM
Look at these quotes from last year with the Pistons saga. In the first, Brown says one thing to the media, while never actually saying it to Dumars (i.e. to make himself look better) and in the second, he initiates in negotiations that he doesn't have authority to consumate. Sound familiar?
Davidson called a meeting today with Brown, Glass and Joe Dumars, the team president, and is expected to make his frustration with Brown known, according to a person with knowledge of the meeting.
Davidson could request a buyout of Brown's contract, said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity...

Liz Robbins also reports that apparently Larry Brown is now healthy enough to coach. (Ta-dah!) McCosky has similar news:

Last Friday, during a telephone interview with The News, Brown said, "I will be ready on October 3 (the start of training camp), no matter what. You can write that."
When told of Brown's statement, Dumars shrugged and said, "I wish he would tell me that."


Robbins tucks a major piece of news deep in her article: according to her sources, Coach Brown's camp initiated talks with the Cavaliers before the Pistons gave permission.
Although Brown said the Pistons had granted permission for him to talk to the Cavaliers, that was only after Brown's representatives initiated talks with Cleveland in late March, according to two Eastern Conference executives. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of their relationship with Brown.
Brown was so indiscreet that it was hard for the Pistons not to know about it. His communications with the Cavaliers lasted through the N.B.A. playoffs until Cleveland's new owner, Dan Gilbert, said he could no longer wait for Brown and hired Danny Ferry as the team's general manager.

http://www.truehoop.com/7997-print.html

Now, does that sound like a track record? It's the same situation all over again. The Brownies will say, "well Dolan and Isiah never should have given him the money then!" Yes, but that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking - does this look like a pattern for Brown and is it really so hard to believe that he's done what Dolan and Isiah say he's done? Especially when many of us were noticing these things througout the season on our own?
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6/27/2006  8:11 AM
that was great! that was must see TV they shouldve made it an hour long.

i dont think jimmy D is going to fire Isiah unless hll breaks lose, that was smoke.

i do think jimmy better lose some weight because he was breathing heavy while he was talking

what the hll was on top of isiahs eye? looked like he was clockedi do hope that larry gets stiffed for his pay. to many people work so hard in this world and this guy has the cahones to break rules while making 10mm per?

Isn't that the knot courtsey of Malone's elbow.
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6/27/2006  8:34 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by djsunyc:

again, i ask, what's the over/under on isiah resigning?

there's a chance he may not even be the coach opening night...and it may happen as soon as the arbitration is over.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-27-2006 12:35 AM]

No chance, imo. This is his last chance to salvage his rep.

Absolutely. If he has a successful season and the Knicks make the playoffs and look like a much improved team, he will have saved himself and bought some time and credibility for his professional career.

If he resigns, his proffessional NBA career is completely over, period.
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6/27/2006  8:55 AM
>>realhiphop - What could possibly make you like Dolan from this interview? He's the worst public speaker I've ever heard.

realhip - worst public speaker? have you been watching your President (W)?

Can we hire Mark Jackson as an assistant coach?

He speaks well.
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6/27/2006  9:17 AM
Television does add credibilty. I can't imagine how only the worst homers can buy into this crap.

Going on TV to discuss your point on your network has a lot of juice, but its B.S.!

THe knicks are not a public domain so you either tune in, or tune out.

If you take a step back and look into the soul of this organization you can see it is soft and morally corupt.

I hope Larry gets all his money as he was set up to fail in 40 days where both parties in my were doing nothing but posturing. They gave larry the silent treatment and put him under "double special probation" and marked his every move. "Dead man walking" is a comment over his treatment by his employer. He spoke nothing about his "boss" nor the team.

Whats done is done, but this organization is very screwed up. And "making" isiah coach this team is about the dumbest Idea I have every seen. This team goes into a losing streak or any mid season swoon and the garden will get ugly on him. Its bad enough when any coach is going into a final year even when they have a good track record, but this is just obsurd!

And this guy got a sexual harassment suit against him?

Being Isiah is not going to be an easy thing. Too bad he did not get the Indiana University gig. IT would have been a nice exit strategy for him!
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6/27/2006  9:57 AM
those two idiots passed the buck to lb on the jalen and francis trade. "we shouldn't have made those deals" - dolan.

how in the BLUE HELL could those guys (jalen + francis) come back next season? they will be traded and expect more $$$$'s coming back. stupid stupid stupid strategy by cablevision. you do not pass the buck on trades and you do not give isiah a one year deadline in public. two very counterproductive moves...all so dolan can flex his juice card.

this was total "monday morning quarterback".

this 1/2 hour show was nothing about the best interest of the team.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-27-2006 10:04 AM]
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6/27/2006  10:02 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by martin:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by Rich:

Were Brown and Glass truthful with the media as things fell apart with Detroit last year?
Why are you wasting your time? The owner of the Pistons, who never goes on TV went on TV last year to say Brown was a bad guy. Same thing happens this year. How can two very different owners comet to the same conclusion? Are they conspiring against Larry?

But let's not forget that Davidson is a very sneaky, evil person himself. Lots of bad stories out there about him too.
There were bad stories about Larry before he went to the Pistons, going way back. You should hear how some UCLA people feel about him. None of the guys involved in this have solid reps.

hey, no doubt about it. Owners like Davidson and coaches like LB have HUGE egos and are pretty much out for themselves.
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6/27/2006  10:25 AM
I'm mostly in agreement with Islesfan, djsunyc and nyk4ever.

Look, both parties have less than perfect reputations, professionally and personally. Still, LB's is leaps and bounds better than Isiah. If we're talking about LB being a bad guy - why not talk about the outright disrespectful dealings with Chaney, Wilkens, Brown, a gazillion dollars added to the Knicks payroll, out-of-control spending as owner of CBA which contributes to its bankruptcy, Isiah's ugly departure from Indiana, one sexual harrasment case, and one abandoned son.

Again, I am confident LB tried to do too much and talk trade behind Isiah's back. I'll live with that.

But, Isiah and LB are bold-faced liars when it comes to 1) wanting to let 50-60 million come off the books, 2) coming into the meeting with an open mind to let Lb defend himself 3) LB not taking responsibility for the season. Since a lot of people here are fans of Larry quotes, there are atleast 100 by him that state that he coached poorly and did a bad job, that he needed to do better. Isiah and Dolan are bigger idiots for the comments made on the Jalen and Francis deals. And Dolan is the biggest idiot for issuing a one-year ultimatum instead of simply hiring a new GM and allowing Isiah to serv as coach.

Do I want Isiah to succeed? You bet. Because if he doesn't, the Knicks are ****ed for the next century
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6/27/2006  12:13 PM
"It makes me sick to my stomach that anyone would think it wasn't my intent to see it through," Brown said. "It was my goal to help rebuild the team for the long run. I bought a house here. I enrolled my kids in school. Why would I want to leave with 23 wins on my record and go out that way after a 34-year career?"
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