Obama For President of The United States

Killa4luv - I don'y know about you, but about a trillion things come to mind

>>If you're a persecuted minority today, YOU didn't experience slavery

I absolutely LOVE how people are quick and casual to disregard the longstanding effects of a brutal recent history. The "experience" of slavery did not expire when Lincoln signed the release papers any more than the Larry Brown sage was immediately over when Dolan kicked him to the curb.

Both stories have a much longer shelf life than you may assume.

>>In today's politically correct world, there's a tendency to view underpriviledged minority groups favorably and alot o fleeway is given; especially in high profile jobs.

nyshakeandbake - politicaly correst is about as vague as playing the so-called "race card". However nyshake+bake, your condescending patronization is greatly appreciated.

Bill Bradley for President of The NY Knicks

Make my funk the P Funk

Posted by Nalod:

"Bird stole the ball, Bird stole the ball".

I forget the year, but it was the Pistons destiny that year. 7 seconds, pistons up by one, game 6 series is in the pistons pocket, Isiah is inbounding the ball in his backcourt, has a brain fart, makes a bad pass, a really bad pass at a really bad time, bird steals the ball, passes over to Dennis Johnson and celts win, and win the series.

Isiah came back and the pistons one the next year, but Him and Larry got some history.

I think it was the next year he had the "sprained ankle" game. One of the greatest performances I have ever seen! Isiah could play, no doubt.

All players had to deal with stupid stuff they say about race. Both white and black. Now even include Chinesse in there too. Isiah was upset about the Bird play and agreed with Rodman in his frustration over the play. I still don't understand Bird's comments about being personally insulted when a coach put a white player on him. That was ridculous and immature. If a guy like Marbury would have said that he would be villify. Bird said it and it was basically ignored. Some reporters tried to do their job and follow up on the story but for the most part was told to back off.

Did Isiah write the article?

Posted by nykshaknbake:

I'll never understand why the burden of racism through history keeps coming up. If you're a persecuted minority today, YOU didn't experience slavery..likewise the predecessors of slavers didn't enslave YOU. It's attitudes liek this that prevent cohesion and people moving forward. Hell, the Japanese killed 20+ million of my people in WWII. It was unconsionable but it doesn't affect how I deal with Japanese people. And the Jews were a persecuted group of people for thosands of years and onward...just because you categorize them differently doesn't change history.

Actually to correct you about something, The Trans-atlantic Slave trade was wholly different in nature than any of the historical events that you described. Killing 20 million people, or gassing 6 million people is a horrendous thing and a tremendous loss of life.

But enslaving people 1000's of miles away, creating the concept of race and racism to justify it, systematically stripping this group of people of all connections with their culture, language, religion, and heritage, and then releasing them from that kind of bondage into a legal racial-caste-system, is really something the world had not ever seen. This isn't really about the amount of people who died, its really more of a science experiment about what happens when you systematically oppress a group of people based on their skin color, anihilate their culture, force them to hate themselves and revere the oppressor group, and also force everyone to hate them. This is far more than just killing people and quite honestly there is nothing similar to it in the modern times. The effects of this on all people doesn't just dissappear when enslaved people are no longer in bondage.

The concept of race (which is basically a myth) was created so that a hierarchy could be established making some inferior and one superior. This was used to justify the trans-atlantic slave trade. The slave trade is over and racism is not. Race and racism did not exist prior to the 1500's. Different groups fought each other over things of course, but the notion of a person's skin color having some correlation to their intelect, or humanity, never ever existed.

There is no such thing as race. Remember where you heard it first. Again, I am never the one to say that my people have a monopoly on human suffering, or that our suffering was worse, I will just say that it was unique in that it really destroyed a culture, and created a number of horrendous psychological effects for all parties involved. And it has been far more difficult to recover from than just the loss of millions of lives. I guess I am saying it was worse, I just don't like to give off the impression that I think no one else has been through anything horrile, because thats not how I feel at all. The damage that was done cannot be measured in sheer numbers, imo. Not only that, but black people are looked down upon all over the world, not just here. Racism is now a full blow phenomenon, with people of African decent at the very bottom. That is a demonstrable fact. Delude yourself into thinking PC values have changed that if you like.

Think about this: Irish people were not considered 'white' when they first arrived, they were considered Irish and treated like dogs. Jewish people weren't considered 'white' either, but over time that perception has changed as well. There is a book called 'The creation of whiteness' that goes deeper into this. Just wanted to throw that in.

As for IT..I hope he suceeds, but I don't really think race is a significant factor in the way people view him. I'm not even convinced it has a negative effect. In today's politically correct world, there's a tendency to view underpriviledged minority groups favorably and alot o fleeway is given; especially in high profile jobs. How do you think Jayson Blair was able to do what he did for so long? Additionally, the NBA has alot of black fans as well.

So minorities get a more favorable view than white people, and they get more leeway than whites too, especially in high profile jobs? I can't wait to move to that place you are talking about. LOL!! It is a testament to the kind of world you live in, and the people you surround yourself with, that you are able to say something this out of touch with reality. As evidence to support your claim you use Jayson Blair, an ordinary reporter who plagerized. He got away with the crime of plagerizing for so long?!?! Call the feds!!

I've got 2 better examples for you, Kenneth Lay & Jeff Skilling of Enron. Who got away with what they were doing for years and billions of dollars worth of fraud and lying. And our President, George W. Bush, who is responsible for well over 150,000 needless deaths since he has been in office; and I wont even go any further than that.

But yeah, these black guys have got all the luck man. This PC world gives us all of the best breaks. Dont forget how affirmative action has us taking all of the really good jobs and stuff too. You forgot that one. I feel so bad for all of you poor white guys, man, what a tough break you guys have in this country.

But seriously, let me end with this. Racism is used to divide us all. The scientific community knows race is a myth. As long as working class people fight amongst each other thinking "this minority group is viewed more favorably than us", we never look at the rich people & the media who manipulate us into this thinking and distract us from the real issues and people who control our lives.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 06-27-2006 11:41 AM]

Last post on the matter.

WHatever. Atrocities come in all shapes and flavors..I don't understand the need to categorize and say mine is worse tyhan yours. It's assinine. I won't be drawn into ranking these things and arguing why one is worse than another. You aren't going to convince me that the time of spheres of influence of European and MAerican powers up untill the Japanese occupation were not quite as bad as the slave trade. All those things that you mentioned happened in China too...the self deprication and reverence of oppressors. I can keep going into details if you really want. But let's stop this. I don't even think it matters who had it worse...it's competely irrelevant.

I'm not out of touch and I love how judgemental you are...summing up the sphere of my life and social contacts from your reading of a post. It's unbelievably arrogant. ANd if you make judgements and decsions in other aspects of life with that limited information I feel very sorry for anyone that you have any impact on in life.

If you want further examples...Mayor Nagin comes to mind...Tell me a white mayor could have said City X will be a ivory(white) city and kept his job. Yet there was hardly any backlash against him for his Chocolate city comments. Jayson Blair is a reporter for the most respected paper in the world...he's no ordinary joe. Lay and Skilling have been villified in the public eye..since what we are talking about is preceptions or weren't you paying attention. Bush isn't a good example..just Cindy Sheehan rants and he gets more than his share of villification too.

Actually to correct you about something, The Trans-atlantic Slave trade was wholly different in nature than any of the historical events that you described. Killing 20 million people, or gassing 6 million people is a horrendous thing and a tremendous loss of life.

But enslaving people 1000's of miles away, creating the concept of race and racism to justify it, systematically stripping this group of people of all connections with their culture, language, religion, and heritage, and then releasing them from that kind of bondage into a legal racial-caste-system, is really something the world had not ever seen. This isn't really about the amount of people who died, its really more of a science experiment about what happens when you systematically oppress a group of people based on their skin color, anihilate their culture, force them to hate themselves and revere the oppressor group, and also force everyone to hate them. This is far more than just killing people and quite honestly there is nothing similar to it in the modern times. The effects of this on all people doesn't just dissappear when enslaved people are no longer in bondage.

The concept of race (which is basically a myth) was created so that a hierarchy could be established making some inferior and one superior. This was used to justify the trans-atlantic slave trade. The slave trade is over and racism is not. Race and racism did not exist prior to the 1500's. Different groups fought each other over things of course, but the notion of a person's skin color having some correlation to their intelect, or humanity, never ever existed.

There is no such thing as race. Remember where you heard it first. Again, I am never the one to say that my people have a monopoly on human suffering, or that our suffering was worse, I will just say that it was unique in that it really destroyed a culture, and created a number of horrendous psychological effects for all parties involved. And it has been far more difficult to recover from than just the loss of millions of lives. I guess I am saying it was worse, I just don't like to give off the impression that I think no one else has been through anything horrile, because thats not how I feel at all. The damage that was done cannot be measured in sheer numbers, imo. Not only that, but black people are looked down upon all over the world, not just here. Racism is now a full blow phenomenon, with people of African decent at the very bottom. That is a demonstrable fact. Delude yourself into thinking PC values have changed that if you like.

Think about this: Irish people were not considered 'white' when they first arrived, they were considered Irish and treated like dogs. Jewish people weren't considered 'white' either, but over time that perception has changed as well. There is a book called 'The creation of whiteness' that goes deeper into this. Just wanted to throw that in.

As for IT..I hope he suceeds, but I don't really think race is a significant factor in the way people view him. I'm not even convinced it has a negative effect. In today's politically correct world, there's a tendency to view underpriviledged minority groups favorably and alot o fleeway is given; especially in high profile jobs. How do you think Jayson Blair was able to do what he did for so long? Additionally, the NBA has alot of black fans as well.[/quote]

So minorities get a more favorable view than white people, and they get more leeway than whites too, especially in high profile jobs? I can't wait to move to that place you are talking about. LOL!! It is a testament to the kind of world you live in, and the people you surround yourself with, that you are able to say something this out of touch with reality. As evidence to support your claim you use Jayson Blair, an ordinary reporter who plagerized. He got away with the crime of plagerizing for so long?!?! Call the feds!!

I've got 2 better examples for you, Kenneth Lay & Jeff Skilling of Enron. Who got away with what they were doing for years and billions of dollars worth of fraud and lying. And our President, George W. Bush, who is responsible for well over 150,000 needless deaths since he has been in office; and I wont even go any further than that.

But yeah, these black guys have got all the luck man. This PC world gives us all of the best breaks. Dont forget how affirmative action has us taking all of the really good jobs and stuff too. You forgot that one. I feel so bad for all of you poor white guys, man, what a tough break you guys have in this country.

But seriously, let me end with this. Racism is used to divide us all. The scientific community knows race is a myth. As long as working class people fight amongst each other thinking "this minority group is viewed more favorably than us", we never look at the rich people & the media who manipulate us into this thinking and distract us from the real issues and people who control our lives.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 06-27-2006 11:41 AM]
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Posted by Nalod:

Jews were enslaved by the Egyptions for many a moon!

Jews were segregated by many societies in Europe. "Ghetto" is an old term that long predates anything here in the US>

I specifically spoke about the modern era. I am familiar with all of this stuff and don't see how much of it is relevant.

Arabs use terror to gain respect but don't contribute to art, science, music, economics, technology or athletics like just about every other culture.

This is racist garbage. You are a racist. This is racism. Have you ever heard of a field called mathmatics?

When Jews were being persecuted they did not blow up churches or behead kidnapped victims.

No but they (Zionists in particular not all Jews) did take over a land, displacing its natives, and do routinely murder, torture, and "settle" in areas where their military has just bulldozed people's houses. Maybe you have heard of this place, its called Israel?They have created a system worse than apartheid there.

FYI, I don't support terrorism, state-sponsored or otherwise.

Posted by Nalod:

Arabs use terror to gain respect but don't contribute to art, science, music, economics, technology or athletics like just about every other culture.

That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.


[Edited by - nyballer on 06-27-2006 2:48 PM]

"Mr. Roper" just killed it for me..LOL.......

Posted by simrud:

You know what I tried to reason with the likes of Earl, Killa, and Kore, and all I got back was insults and racism. So whatever. You want to seat there and feel like you’ve got it worse than anybody in the history of mankind, go ahead. If anything I finally see where all the hatred for Brown is coming from, you guys apparently also hate Jews. Pathetic really.

No, what's pathetic is that after you stood corrected on some of the same rhetoric, you had to bring the crap up again. The tired attempt to twist this into some "anti-semetic" accusation is what's most pathetic here.

At least I know now where you stand and I know not to pay attention to any of your bigoted posts.

Look in the mirror and say that, then go somewhere and get your goddamned mind right, thank you.

This kind of attitude is why when you ask an black African immigrant how he was treated in a black neighborhood he originally came too he just shakes his head.

Stupid-assed generalizations like this prove your ignorance. Feel free to keep clowning yourself.
They all think the same way, according to your peabrained "thinking", huh? LMAO

So go ahead make some more snide remarks about my English (not my first language btw) and rail some more on Israel, etc.

Notice how you're still trying to steer this towards something it's not. You got a whole lot more things about your mindset "Broken" than your English, fella.

Really disappointed that some Knick are fans are Jew hating black racists, but I guess sooner or later you run into such a thing as well.

LOL at the name-calling. Instead of baiting more of an argument, which you're obviously trying to do, all that effort like that statement RIGHT THERE will get you banned, and then this problem will be solved. I can't wait for Andrew & Martin to get a load of this!

(And considering I went to a predominantly black junior high it prolly tells the story of how rare this attitude is considering I had to come across it on the internet basketball forum of all things.)

Well, I guess that makes you a stone-cold expert on us Black folks, huh, fella?
Like after that bull you just spewed, anyone cares about you damn junior high. You're friggin' crazed.

[edit by martin, sorry]

Really eager to hate someone, huh, Simrud? Thanks for coming clean and showing your true colors.

To deconstruct the last scrap of this post... AGAIN, Jewish people belong to a RELIGION, not a RACE.

You, sir, are the RACIST- displayed by your twisted, prejudiced, ingorance-laced remarks towards Black people.
I don't "hate" anyone, so therefore am neither a racist or an anti-semite.