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6/17/2006  11:58 AM
Posted by holfresh:



Ahhh...Larry Brown the victim and Joe Dumars and clan the villian...Not even Steven King could have come up with that one...

Ask yourself this, how does Jason Witlock defend Brown interviewing with Cleveland during Detroit's run for a Championship...

How do you defend Larry flirting with the Knick job after winning a Championship in the first season with Detroit...

I think if you'd read the article you'd find him suggesting that the Piston's organization does not breed security in it's coaches and that Brown may have sensed he was being pushed out.

Brown isn't the first (or last) Pistons employee Davidson and Wilson have tossed under the bus once they've squeezed what they've wanted from him. Ask Isiah Thomas. Or Chuck Daly. Or Don Chaney. Or Rick Carlisle. Or Doug Collins. Or Jack McCloskey.

You think it's unethical or disloyal for Brown's agent to explore a management position in Cleveland while the Pistons are in the playoffs? You think Bill Davidson was justifiably offended?

Well, then, do you think it was unethical or disloyal for the Pistons to sew up a deal with Brown to replace Carlisle while the Pistons were wrapping up the 2003 regular season and playoffs?

Do some homework. Find out how Chuck Daly felt when Mr. D(avidson) hired Ron Rothstein as a radio color commentator during Daly's last season. Daly, who delivered two championships to Detroit, spent his final year on the Pistons' bench with his successor (Rothstein) looking over his shoulder and second-guessing him over the airwaves.

Oh, yeah, Mr. D and Wilson are all class. They demand loyalty and give none.

For weeks, we've heard constant reports about how Mr. D was "put off" that Brown flirted with Cleveland and spoke glowingly of his hometown Knicks. People reported these stories like they were some sort of crime against humanity.

If it was a crime, what kind of felony is it for an organization to make a habit of picking a coaching successor long before the end of the season when the coach in place hasn't yet been dismissed? The latest: Flip Saunders' name began to circulate among Pistons media puppets in February.

Around that same time, Wilson and Dobek began their assault on Brown's shaky reputation, trashing Brown to members of the media who couldn't wait to show how tough they are by beating up on a short-time employee.
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6/17/2006  12:13 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
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there's taking a quote and accepting is as real and there's taking a quote and accepting it as real...

The Post has learned some players sensed Brown appeared "angrier" at them during the six-game winning streak in January - which struck them as bizarre.

i know there's a fair contingent of anti-lb guys here but players "sensed" that he "appeared" angrier? come on guys, you can't put any stock in this.

So now we care about speculation.

regardless of your position, you have to admit that this is a VERY weak statement and don't think it can be used as evidence to back up a position. and what i do know is that berman and marbs are very buddy buddy right now...so he got an exclusive with steph last week. he's the only one really writing articles about this with a heavy "brown is gone" slant and it's only a matter of time. and now today we know how steph is signing autographs "i want to die a knick." i think it's a safe "assumption" that steph told him this.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-17-2006 11:54 AM]

I already stated it was a weak statment that we just don't know enough about to really know if it was true. But since it fits in so well with the theory that Brown tanked the season. People will make an arguement backing this statment up with other things that show Brown "tanking" the season and put it together and ignoring everything else.

Now you see what I saw when argueing about that other person. Im just saying, it took the media & fans ganging up on the person you support in order for you to actually see that.
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6/17/2006  12:16 PM
During the win streak, I sensed that the players sensed that brown appeared to be angrier than usual, and that it struck them as bizarre, which struck me as bizarre.

Also, I sensed that Brown sensed that the players sensed that he appeared to be angrier than usual, and that it struct them as bizarre, which struck him as bizarre, which strikes me as bizarre.
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6/17/2006  12:42 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

During the win streak, I sensed that the players sensed that brown appeared to be angrier than usual, and that it struck them as bizarre, which struck me as bizarre.

Also, I sensed that Brown sensed that the players sensed that he appeared to be angrier than usual, and that it struct them as bizarre, which struck him as bizarre, which strikes me as bizarre.

me too.

i also sensed during the streak that jj was farting on the bench a little more than usual. i thought it bizarre. but it could have just been me.
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6/17/2006  1:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by djsunyc:

there's taking a quote and accepting is as real and there's taking a quote and accepting it as real...

The Post has learned some players sensed Brown appeared "angrier" at them during the six-game winning streak in January - which struck them as bizarre.

i know there's a fair contingent of anti-lb guys here but players "sensed" that he "appeared" angrier? come on guys, you can't put any stock in this.

So now we care about speculation.

regardless of your position, you have to admit that this is a VERY weak statement and don't think it can be used as evidence to back up a position. and what i do know is that berman and marbs are very buddy buddy right now...so he got an exclusive with steph last week. he's the only one really writing articles about this with a heavy "brown is gone" slant and it's only a matter of time. and now today we know how steph is signing autographs "i want to die a knick." i think it's a safe "assumption" that steph told him this.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-17-2006 11:54 AM]



Now aren't you the one streatching things out a little here...how does Marbs holding summer basketball camp in Coney Island this week and Berman writing an article last week means it was Marbs that told his this...Also, Berman did say it was told to the Post....So he most likely was not the one being told the info...Maybe...
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6/17/2006  1:57 PM
Posted by holfresh:



Ahhh...Larry Brown the victim and Joe Dumars and clan the villian...Not even Steven King could have come up with that one...

Ask yourself this, how does Jason Witlock defend Brown interviewing with Cleveland during Detroit's run for a Championship...

How do you defend Larry flirting with the Knick job after winning a Championship in the first season with Detroit...

News flash to Jason Witlock, every organization in sports fire coaches and GM...You don't get the keep the position for life...



Sweet Mr davidson was out of sorts when Larry said knicks were "dream job". The quote was based on his childhood dream an affection for Red holzman.

Cleveland must ask for permission to talk to larry. If an owner wants to make his coach look bad, he grants it and points how disloyal he is. If not, you tell larry and Cleveland to shove it and not to bother the coach while they still in the playoffs.

It was such a distraction they still went 7 games and almost won! Not a distraction.

The post "sensed".............What, a disturbance in the force?
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6/17/2006  2:24 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Cleveland must ask for permission to talk to larry. If an owner wants to make his coach look bad, he grants it and points how disloyal he is. If not, you tell larry and Cleveland to shove it and not to bother the coach while they still in the playoffs.

Exactly.

And a close reading of the article shows that flip was being talked about in February but the discussions with Cleveland didn't begin until the playoffs, which is what, late April or early May?
It was such a distraction they still went 7 games and almost won! Not a distraction.

Any distraction came from Davidson who granted permission and then whined about it.

So they sent signals that brown was gonna get the shaft, just like Carlisle and others who preceded him. Cleveland picks up on such signals and asks for permission. Permission is granted. Davidson pleads disloyalty. Flip IS hired. Flip loses players which becomes a genuine distraction during the playoffs. Davidson says Flip is "as safe as anybody on the team."

How safe is that?
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6/17/2006  4:06 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by djsunyc:

there's taking a quote and accepting is as real and there's taking a quote and accepting it as real...

The Post has learned some players sensed Brown appeared "angrier" at them during the six-game winning streak in January - which struck them as bizarre.

i know there's a fair contingent of anti-lb guys here but players "sensed" that he "appeared" angrier? come on guys, you can't put any stock in this.

So now we care about speculation.

regardless of your position, you have to admit that this is a VERY weak statement and don't think it can be used as evidence to back up a position. and what i do know is that berman and marbs are very buddy buddy right now...so he got an exclusive with steph last week. he's the only one really writing articles about this with a heavy "brown is gone" slant and it's only a matter of time. and now today we know how steph is signing autographs "i want to die a knick." i think it's a safe "assumption" that steph told him this.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-17-2006 11:54 AM]



Now aren't you the one streatching things out a little here...how does Marbs holding summer basketball camp in Coney Island this week and Berman writing an article last week means it was Marbs that told his this...Also, Berman did say it was told to the Post....So he most likely was not the one being told the info...Maybe...


let's just say it's not a stretch.



Its's a stretch because you are making it up....Just like the players getting the sense larry was more upset during the six game win streak...
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6/17/2006  11:37 PM
And a coup is what this team needed. Just watch IT fail yet again as the coach.
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