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Bonn1997
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6/5/2006  11:03 AM
Injuries from Miami? Maybe it was also just natural decline for an aging Piston team that went from the NBA finals championship to Finals loss to Conference Finals loss? Too many other variables to ever attribute the continuous gradual decline to (or not to) the coaching change.
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6/5/2006  12:44 PM
Summing up the it's all FLip's fault:

1) LB was with the Pistons last year and not this year and they didn't make it to the finals this time.

2) A healthy Wade and Shaq and a hurt Weed don't factor in at all, because injuries are part of the game.

3) Heat adding Williams, Posey, Walker don't matter b/c it was the same Pistons team that LB led to the finals.
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6/5/2006  12:48 PM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

Summing up the it's all FLip's fault:

1) LB was with the Pistons last year and not this year and they didn't make it to the finals this time.

2) A healthy Wade and Shaq and a hurt Weed don't factor in at all, because injuries are part of the game.

3) Heat adding Williams, Posey, Walker don't matter b/c it was the same Pistons team that LB led to the finals.
Don't forget the Heat also added an outstanding coach this year. There's no sane reason to claim to know how much if any of the (minimal) difference in playoff performance can be attributed to coaches. The Larry supporters are also assuming Flip is the ideal baseline against which to compare Brown.
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6/5/2006  12:57 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

Summing up the it's all FLip's fault:

1) LB was with the Pistons last year and not this year and they didn't make it to the finals this time.

2) A healthy Wade and Shaq and a hurt Weed don't factor in at all, because injuries are part of the game.

3) Heat adding Williams, Posey, Walker don't matter b/c it was the same Pistons team that LB led to the finals.
Don't forget the Heat also added an outstanding coach this year. There's no sane reason to claim to know how much if any of the (minimal) difference in playoff performance can be attributed to coaches. The Larry supporters are also assuming Flip is the ideal baseline against which to compare Brown.

imho the bitching of the players about defense and rotation told a story that they wer not happy with flip during the playoffs.

There are way too many factors to pin on one coach vs. the others.

Larry included Ben in the offense and he was very happy being a part of it. Flip might have turned Ben off and away from the pistons.
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6/5/2006  1:08 PM
Flip made them play zone, which is retarded for that team. The Pistons were known to play awesome man to man defense, with excellent rotations, it was awesome to watch.

Them playin zone was disgusting.
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6/5/2006  1:25 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

Summing up the it's all FLip's fault:

1) LB was with the Pistons last year and not this year and they didn't make it to the finals this time.

2) A healthy Wade and Shaq and a hurt Weed don't factor in at all, because injuries are part of the game.

3) Heat adding Williams, Posey, Walker don't matter b/c it was the same Pistons team that LB led to the finals.
Don't forget the Heat also added an outstanding coach this year. There's no sane reason to claim to know how much if any of the (minimal) difference in playoff performance can be attributed to coaches. The Larry supporters are also assuming Flip is the ideal baseline against which to compare Brown.

Please Bonn. The Pistons went to the finals twice with Brown, then the year he leaves, they bring back the same team and can't make it to the finals.
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6/5/2006  1:36 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

Summing up the it's all FLip's fault:

1) LB was with the Pistons last year and not this year and they didn't make it to the finals this time.

2) A healthy Wade and Shaq and a hurt Weed don't factor in at all, because injuries are part of the game.

3) Heat adding Williams, Posey, Walker don't matter b/c it was the same Pistons team that LB led to the finals.
Don't forget the Heat also added an outstanding coach this year. There's no sane reason to claim to know how much if any of the (minimal) difference in playoff performance can be attributed to coaches. The Larry supporters are also assuming Flip is the ideal baseline against which to compare Brown.

Please Bonn. The Pistons went to the finals twice with Brown, then the year he leaves, they bring back the same team and can't make it to the finals.


obviously the absence of Darko Milicic had a huge impact on the team... wake up & smell the coffee! sheesh!
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6/5/2006  1:37 PM
a point not too many people bring up but not having arroyo did hurt them (at least i think it did).
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6/5/2006  2:33 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

a point not too many people bring up but not having arroyo did hurt them (at least i think it did).


yeah tony delk is a tweener, he cant run the point. why did joe dumars trade arroyo anyway? kelvin cato didnt exactly do much. did he save money?
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6/5/2006  2:49 PM
Posted by TMS:

logic indeed... let's consider the present situation... LB's had success everywhere he's coached but here... Marbury's been a negative influence on every team he's ever played on, & they all got better after he left... yet LB's the one who's getting chased out of town & Marbury's the one making statements that he wants to die a NY Knick... is it any wonder why we're the laughing stock of the NBA? Logic? there is no logic in the bizarro world of Jim Dolan.
i guess one had a bad year, anothers having a bad career. Who's more likely to turn it around?

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6/6/2006  12:11 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by OldFan:
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Ariza was one of the better defender on the Knicks...Larry didn't havfe a problem seeing him go...


Ariza was at Best an average defender - with little understanding of the game and a bad attitude. When he makes his first all defensive team - you can bring this up again.



Nonsense...the guy had a great attitude...He was the best defender on the Knicks..Looking at the PHX
Dallas series, you can never have enough 6'8" defenders on your team...Now you are resorting to trashing one of the better young kids in the league to make you coach look good...

Come on...


The best defender on the knicks is like being the worlds tallest midget - and he wasn't even that. If you ignored the top 50 most talented young players in the league he'd be one of the better young kids.

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6/6/2006  8:05 AM
some have a hard time telling the difference between guys that play hard on defense and guys that play good defense
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6/6/2006  8:30 AM
[/quote] i guess one had a bad year, anothers having a bad career. Who's more likely to turn it around?


[/quote]

True statement-

What people do not seem to understand is that Larry saw what he had, experimented to see what was needed. yes, he is abrasive, may not have been politically correct but he has always come out ahead in the end. Peole like Dolan just look at the bottom line $$$$$$, empty seat without regard to building a winner. IT looks at making the big splash, the impossible trade, the big name without regard to creating a TEAM rather than a group of NAMES.


[Edited by - TheSage on 06-06-2006 08:31 AM]
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6/6/2006  8:43 AM
You have a $50 million dollar coach and the GM and Owner are not talking to him.

Continued organizational failure!

bunch of losers.

This is why we won't be seeing the words "finals" and "knicks" in the same sentance for some time.
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6/6/2006  8:56 AM
Posted by Nalod:

This is why we won't be seeing the words "finals" and "knicks" in the same sentance for some time.

good news! i found one!!

"Heat coach Pat Riley won four titles with the Lakers, but he also has lost in four trips to the Finals with the Lakers and Knicks."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13123898/
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6/6/2006  9:19 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Nalod:

This is why we won't be seeing the words "finals" and "knicks" in the same sentance for some time.

good news! i found one!!

"Heat coach Pat Riley won four titles with the Lakers, but he also has lost in four trips to the Finals with the Lakers and Knicks."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13123898/
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6/6/2006  9:29 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Nalod:

This is why we won't be seeing the words "finals" and "knicks" in the same sentance for some time.

good news! i found one!!

"Heat coach Pat Riley won four titles with the Lakers, but he also has lost in four trips to the Finals with the Lakers and Knicks."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13123898/

I'd say get a life. But I have to get one first!

Riles is over rated. Is the current team that good or the absense of quality competition propel them to this level?

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6/6/2006  4:01 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Nalod:

This is why we won't be seeing the words "finals" and "knicks" in the same sentance for some time.

good news! i found one!!

"Heat coach Pat Riley won four titles with the Lakers, but he also has lost in four trips to the Finals with the Lakers and Knicks."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13123898/

I'd say get a life. But I have to get one first!

Riles is over rated. Is the current team that good or the absense of quality competition propel them to this level?

Shaq and Wade on the same team? I'd say they're that good. Look at the championship laker teams with Shaq Kobe, and misc.
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