[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

The BlueSeats Manuscript: Steph...a Cancer?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 5 of 8 « First‹ Previous 3  4  5  6  7 Next ›Last »
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
BlueSeats
Posts: 27272
Alba Posts: 41
Joined: 11/6/2005
Member: #1024
4/28/2006  10:46 PM
Posted by holfresh:


What I don't understand is this...Steph was playing well just before he got hurt...Everyone thought that he bought into Larry plan and everyone was happy...He got hurt fighting through a pick....He tried playing hurt to help the team but he couldn't play through the pain...One injury led to another and his year was finished...Tell me one thing....What happened between the time he got hurt on the and now to make you guys think he wasn't doing his best to make this work with Larry...Other than the fact of him responding to Larry's comments...What are you guys seeing on the court that I'm not seeing??

Fair question.

First to the last part. by my recollection, when Steph and Larry really started going at it in the press Marbury was taking the offensive and Larry was responding to him.

Now here is why even in spite of the win streak I say Marbury was against Brown.

1. In retaliation of the way some players learned of rotation changes thru the press or other means, Larry learned thru the press that Marbury had a different (later) timeline to return from the shoulder injury than expected.

2. When Marbury returned from the shoulder injury he showed no interest in returning to what worked, he wanted to run "no set plays." "No set plays" means "My offense is better than coach's. I want to play my way."

So instead of wanting to get back to what worked for a win streak he wanted to do his thing.

3. A little while after that came the Dolan's speech which broke our tailspin and led to a two or three game win streak. That's when Steph declared he's "playing like some other dude" He wants to play like "Starbury."

4. Not long after that he told us he will play like "Starbury" next year and he doesn't care what coach thinks, and he's gonna trash coach after his exit interview.
AUTOADVERT
OldFan
Posts: 21456
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2003
Member: #446
4/28/2006  10:47 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:


One more point, it's funny how everyone like to bury Marbs saying after he leaves a team improves...No one ever mentions that he Suns improve after aquiring Marbury...He added victories and took them to the playoffs..Played the Spurs a tough six game series to the the organization hope and a positive outlook on their future...Everyone is so drunk with hate that they can't see the positive contribution the guy has made in his career....

suns 99/00 - 53-29
suns 00/01 - 51-31
suns 01/02 - 36-46

i'll give you 3 guesses which year was steph's first year with the suns.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-28-2006 10:38 PM]

Hey, hey, - let's not confuse things with facts.
holfresh
Posts: 38679
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/14/2006
Member: #1081
4/28/2006  10:54 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:


One more point, it's funny how everyone like to bury Marbs saying after he leaves a team improves...No one ever mentions that he Suns improve after aquiring Marbury...He added victories and took them to the playoffs..Played the Spurs a tough six game series to the the organization hope and a positive outlook on their future...Everyone is so drunk with hate that they can't see the positive contribution the guy has made in his career....

suns 99/00 - 53-29
suns 00/01 - 51-31
suns 01/02 - 36-46

i'll give you 3 guesses which year was steph's first year with the suns.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-28-2006 10:38 PM]



I would like to see anyone have a winning record with this roster with Marion in his second year..

+--------------------+---+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+
Stephon Marbury 82 38.9 7.6 17.2 0.9 3.0 4.3 5.5 0.9 2.3 3.2 8.1 0.9 0.2 3.5 2.3 20.4
Shawn Marion 81 38.4 8.1 17.2 0.6 1.5 2.4 2.8 2.6 7.3 9.9 2.0 1.8 1.1 1.8 2.6 19.1
Rodney Rogers 50 25.1 5.0 10.7 1.0 2.8 1.6 2.0 1.9 2.9 4.8 1.4 1.0 0.3 1.3 3.0 12.6
Anfernee Hardaway 80 30.8 4.9 11.6 0.3 1.0 2.0 2.4 1.2 3.2 4.4 4.1 1.5 0.4 2.4 2.3 12.0
Tony Delk 41 21.4 4.0 10.1 1.1 3.6 1.4 1.6 0.9 2.1 3.0 2.0 0.8 0.1 1.0 1.5 10.6
Joe Johnson 29 31.5 4.2 9.9 0.5 1.4 0.7 0.9 1.2 2.9 4.1 3.6 0.9 0.4 1.5 1.9 9.6
Jake Tsakalidis 67 23.6 2.8 6.0 0.0 0.0 1.7 2.4 1.9 3.6 5.6 0.3 0.3 1.0 1.2 2.9 7.3
Tom Gugliotta 44 25.7 2.9 6.8 0.1 0.2 0.6 0.8 1.3 3.7 5.0 1.8 0.9 0.7 1.4 2.6 6.5
John Wallace 46 10.7 2.0 4.7 0.1 0.3 0.9 1.0 0.6 1.3 1.8 0.6 0.2 0.2 0.6 1.3 5.0
Jake Voskuhl 59 15.3 1.8 3.3 0.0 0.0 1.4 1.8 1.7 2.5 4.2 0.3 0.2 0.4 0.8 2.4 5.0
Bo Outlaw 73 24.2 2.1 3.8 0.0 0.0 0.5 1.2 1.8 2.8 4.6 1.7 0.8 1.1 1.2 2.5 4.7
Dan Majerle 65 18.2 1.5 4.4 1.2 3.6 0.4 0.6 0.4 2.3 2.7 1.4 0.7 0.2 0.5 1.6 4.6
Joe Crispin 15 8.6 1.5 3.7 1.0 2.3 0.5 0.5 0.1 0.5 0.7 1.6 0.3 0.0 0.6 0.5 4.6
Alton Ford 53 8.5 1.2 2.2 0.0 0.0 0.8 1.1 0.6 1.4 2.0 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.6 1.9 3.1
Milt Palacio 28 9.7 1.1 2.8 0.0 0.3 0.6 0.8 0.1 0.7 0.8 1.0 0.3 0.0 0.6 0.8 2.8
Daniel Santiago 3 8.0 1.3 2.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.3 2.3 0.7 0.0 0.3 0.7 1.3 2.7
Charlie Bell 5 8.4 0.6 2.2 0.0 1.2 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.8 0.4 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.6 1.6
Jud Buechler 6 9.0 0.3 1.0 0.3 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 1.0 1.3 0.5 0.2 0.0 0.2 1.2 1.0
Vinny Del Negro 2 3.0 0.5 2.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0
BlueSeats
Posts: 27272
Alba Posts: 41
Joined: 11/6/2005
Member: #1024
4/28/2006  10:58 PM
Posted by holfresh:

I would like to see anyone have a winning record with this roster with Marion in his second year.. 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0

But Kidd won 51 with pretty much the same roster but marion was a rookie.
holfresh
Posts: 38679
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/14/2006
Member: #1081
4/28/2006  11:01 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:


What I don't understand is this...Steph was playing well just before he got hurt...Everyone thought that he bought into Larry plan and everyone was happy...He got hurt fighting through a pick....He tried playing hurt to help the team but he couldn't play through the pain...One injury led to another and his year was finished...Tell me one thing....What happened between the time he got hurt on the and now to make you guys think he wasn't doing his best to make this work with Larry...Other than the fact of him responding to Larry's comments...What are you guys seeing on the court that I'm not seeing??

Fair question.

First to the last part. by my recollection, when Steph and Larry really started going at it in the press Marbury was taking the offensive and Larry was responding to him.

Now here is why even in spite of the win streak I say Marbury was against Brown.

1. In retaliation of the way some players learned of rotation changes thru the press or other means, Larry learned thru the press that Marbury had a different (later) timeline to return from the shoulder injury than expected.

2. When Marbury returned from the shoulder injury he showed no interest in returning to what worked, he wanted to run "no set plays." "No set plays" means "My offense is better than coach's. I want to play my way."

So instead of wanting to get back to what worked for a win streak he wanted to do his thing.

3. A little while after that came the Dolan's speech which broke our tailspin and led to a two or three game win streak. That's when Steph declared he's "playing like some other dude" He wants to play like "Starbury."

4. Not long after that he told us he will play like "Starbury" next year and he doesn't care what coach thinks, and he's gonna trash coach after his exit interview.



Your recollection is leaving out Larry being the intial instigator in the press...Even when Larry went to the hospital and Marbs said he didn't care what Brown thinks..Brown took a shot at him earlier in the day in the press when he responded....

Don't forget it was Marbury who said he wish coach would keep things in house...After Larry continue in the press, he then said he would respond in the press...
holfresh
Posts: 38679
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/14/2006
Member: #1081
4/28/2006  11:04 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:

I would like to see anyone have a winning record with this roster with Marion in his second year.. 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0

But Kidd won 51 with pretty much the same roster but marion was a rookie.



I think even you would admit this roster is a bit different...



+--------------------+---+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+
Clifford Robinson 80 35.5 6.6 14.3 1.5 4.1 3.7 4.8 1.3 3.2 4.5 2.8 1.1 0.8 2.1 3.0 18.5
Anfernee Hardaway 60 37.6 6.3 13.3 0.6 1.7 3.8 4.8 1.5 4.3 5.8 5.3 1.6 0.6 2.6 2.7 16.9
Jason Kidd 67 39.0 5.2 12.8 0.8 2.5 3.0 3.7 1.4 5.8 7.2 10.1 2.0 0.4 3.4 2.2 14.3
Rodney Rogers 82 27.9 5.2 10.7 1.4 3.2 1.9 3.0 1.7 3.8 5.5 2.1 1.1 0.6 2.0 3.5 13.8
Tom Gugliotta 54 32.7 5.7 11.9 0.0 0.1 2.2 2.8 2.6 5.3 7.9 2.3 1.5 0.6 2.0 2.8 13.7
Shawn Marion 51 24.7 4.4 9.2 0.1 0.4 1.4 1.7 2.1 4.5 6.5 1.4 0.7 1.0 1.0 2.2 10.2
Todd Day 58 16.2 2.2 5.7 1.1 2.8 1.2 1.9 0.5 1.7 2.2 1.1 0.8 0.4 0.9 2.2 6.8
Kevin Johnson 6 18.8 2.7 4.7 0.2 0.2 1.2 1.2 0.0 2.7 2.7 4.0 0.3 0.0 1.2 1.0 6.7
Rex Chapman 53 18.1 2.3 6.0 0.8 2.3 1.1 1.5 0.2 1.3 1.5 1.2 0.4 0.0 0.7 1.3 6.6
Oliver Miller 51 21.3 2.7 4.6 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.4 1.7 3.4 5.1 1.3 0.8 1.6 1.5 2.6 6.3
Luc Longley 72 19.7 2.6 5.5 0.0 0.0 1.1 1.3 1.4 3.1 4.5 1.1 0.3 0.6 1.9 3.1 6.3
Randy Livingston 79 13.7 2.0 4.7 0.2 0.7 0.7 0.8 0.3 1.3 1.6 2.2 0.6 0.2 1.2 1.6 4.8
Toby Bailey 46 9.8 1.3 3.0 0.0 0.2 1.0 1.4 0.6 1.0 1.6 0.7 0.3 0.1 0.5 1.2 3.5
Corie Blount 38 11.7 1.2 2.3 0.0 0.1 0.5 0.9 1.4 1.6 3.0 0.3 0.4 0.2 0.7 2.1 2.8
Don MacLean 16 8.9 1.1 3.1 0.1 0.4 0.3 0.4 0.4 1.1 1.4 0.5 0.1 0.1 0.5 1.5 2.6
Ben Davis 5 4.4 0.4 1.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.6 1.2 1.8 0.4 0.2 0.2 0.6 0.4 0.8
Mark West 22 5.8 0.2 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.4 0.3 1.1 1.4 0.1 0.1 0.2 0.3 1.0 0.7
BlueSeats
Posts: 27272
Alba Posts: 41
Joined: 11/6/2005
Member: #1024
4/28/2006  11:11 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Your recollection is leaving out Larry being the intial instigator in the press...Even when Larry went to the hospital and Marbs said he didn't care what Brown thinks..Brown took a shot at him earlier in the day in the press when he responded....

Don't forget it was Marbury who said he wish coach would keep things in house...After Larry continue in the press, he then said he would respond in the press...


No, my recollection included that when I said by the time they went at it Marbury was taking the offensive, which acknowledges it started with Brown.

Although marbury did start in the offseason saying "I'm not going to change my game, I'm still going to play the way I've
always played" - Stephon Marbury

You also skipped over the four answers to your question.

I'm really wondering where you're coming from. Did you read the posts that open this thread? Do you get that both NJ and Phoenix considered him a prime cause in their broken morale, the same broken morale this team suffers from now? Do you really think he is without cause in our fractured locker room and dissension toward our coach?

Forgive me for saying so but it really looks like you've lost sight of the larger issues and are looking for dead end issues just to avoid confronting the reality. IMHO of course.
holfresh
Posts: 38679
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/14/2006
Member: #1081
4/28/2006  11:16 PM

BlueSeats, for the record, Outside of the Orlando game where he didn't shoot..I have never seen Steph try to do things his way...The guy averaged 13 shots a game....How was he doing things "his way" he has always tried to pass the ball the way Larry wanted...As far as breaking plays, every player on every team in every game in every season breaks plays.....But Marbs is the only one held accountable...
BlueSeats
Posts: 27272
Alba Posts: 41
Joined: 11/6/2005
Member: #1024
4/28/2006  11:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:

I think even you would admit this roster is a bit different...

They are not qualitatively different. it's not like Kidd's squad had more talent. Marion was the primary second player on both teams (after kidd and steph) but steph had him with more experience. Kidd had no stars to work with and still got 51 wins.

holfresh
Posts: 38679
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/14/2006
Member: #1081
4/28/2006  11:20 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:


Your recollection is leaving out Larry being the intial instigator in the press...Even when Larry went to the hospital and Marbs said he didn't care what Brown thinks..Brown took a shot at him earlier in the day in the press when he responded....

Don't forget it was Marbury who said he wish coach would keep things in house...After Larry continue in the press, he then said he would respond in the press...


No, my recollection included that when I said by the time they went at it Marbury was taking the offensive, which acknowledges it started with Brown.

Although marbury did start in the offseason saying "I'm not going to change my game, I'm still going to play the way I've
always played" - Stephon Marbury

You also skipped over the four answers to your question.

I'm really wondering where you're coming from. Did you read the posts that open this thread? Do you get that both NJ and Phoenix considered him a prime cause in their broken morale, the same broken morale this team suffers from now? Do you really think he is without cause in our fractured locker room and dissension toward our coach?

Forgive me for saying so but it really looks like you've lost sight of the larger issues and are looking for dead end issues just to avoid confronting the reality. IMHO of course.



I did read the beginning of the thread and it's crap....Do you really think the reason Brown lost his players was because of Marbury or Brown undressing them in the press and calling them stupid...What possibly could Marbs have done to caus emore division than those actions....Again, you Larry Brwon apologist keep trying to transfer blame for the job Larry has done this year...



[Edited by - holfresh on 04-28-2006 11:21 PM]
BlueSeats
Posts: 27272
Alba Posts: 41
Joined: 11/6/2005
Member: #1024
4/28/2006  11:30 PM
Posted by holfresh:


BlueSeats, for the record, Outside of the Orlando game where he didn't shoot..I have never seen Steph try to do things his way...The guy averaged 13 shots a game....How was he doing things "his way" he has always tried to pass the ball the way Larry wanted...As far as breaking plays, every player on every team in every game in every season breaks plays.....But Marbs is the only one held accountable...

Larry wanted him taking 15 to 20 shots. He wanted him playing defense. he wanted him showing leadership and resiliency. he wanted a head. he wanted the post fed. he wanted good body language. he wanted him to be an extension of the coach, not a resistance. he wanted a competitive spirit and a will to win.

Lets be serious, if we count the Bucks game, which was a hard ought lose that preceded our win streak, we got 7 good games from steph this year. And he turned them in on a dime. He went from appearing to not getting what he should be doing out there to suddenly playing all-star caliber ball. Overnight Marbury flipped his own switch. Then flipped it off again. It appeared to me, and I believe it did to the coach too, that Marbury was withholding himself from the team and coach.

I don't remember the exact quote, but Brown pretty much said at one point that Steph wasn't playing to win. It might have been when he spoke of Iverson.
BlueSeats
Posts: 27272
Alba Posts: 41
Joined: 11/6/2005
Member: #1024
4/28/2006  11:34 PM
Posted by holfresh:

I did read the beginning of the thread and it's crap....Do you really think the reason Brown lost his players was because of Marbury or Brown undressing them in the press and calling them stupid...What possibly could Marbs have done to caus emore division than those actions....Again, you Larry Brwon apologist keep trying to transfer blame for the job Larry has done this year...

I really think that brown did the same with his other teams and they hung tough and were made better for it, but with the star player and leader of the team in virtual mutiny with the coach it splintered the team from within, similar to what he'd done in NJ and Phoenix.
bigbeast
Posts: 22333
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 12/21/2005
Member: #1060
4/28/2006  11:40 PM
Marbury averaged about 13 shots per which were less than Craw....

Before Marb got injured and especailly during the streak, Curry was playing his best ball. When Marb got injured and handed the reigns over to Craw, Curry's offensive production dipped. Save for a few alley-oops, Craw never penetrated and dished to Curry for easy baskets like Marb did. Curry even said on a few occassions he really missed Marb setting him up.

7 good games?! please!, save the drama......

Don't know if you noticed, but Brown lost more than a third of the team, never mind losing Marb. He even lost the guys he begged Zeke to bring in (Rose and francis)

I'm not even a big Marbury fan but when is enough gonna be enough?!

[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-28-2006 11:41 PM]
"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
Nalod
Posts: 71931
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
4/28/2006  11:44 PM
Posted by holfresh:


What I don't understand is this...Steph was playing well just before he got hurt...Everyone thought that he bought into Larry plan and everyone was happy...He got hurt fighting through a pick....He tried playing hurt to help the team but he couldn't play through the pain...One injury led to another and his year was finished...Tell me one thing....What happened between the time he got hurt on the and now to make you guys think he wasn't doing his best to make this work with Larry...Other than the fact of him responding to Larry's comments...What are you guys seeing on the court that I'm not seeing??



He even tried to blame Wally and wanted to "bring it on".

That was weak. Everyone told him it was just a pick and $hit happens.

Freakin Wally took him out and he had a hissy fit. Serves him right to try to play tough defense.

Holly, I was very happy with his efforts prior to getting hurt and was under the impression things were coming together.

I was starting to see some great feeds to Curry with him in motion getting the ball and he was unstoppable!

Nobody questions his effort, just where he applies it.

[Edited by - nalod on 04-28-2006 11:49 PM]
BlueSeats
Posts: 27272
Alba Posts: 41
Joined: 11/6/2005
Member: #1024
4/28/2006  11:54 PM
Don't underestimate the power and distractive capabilities of marbury on this team. He's a star with an unusual relationship the his GM. He entered the season still being proclaimed as untouchable by isiah (we don't get down like that). He's a guy who told Wilkens to stuff his coaching without being reprimanded. One article stated Wilkens was shown the door when he suggested Steph be traded. He's a player who many think played a role in the trades of KVH and KT. Etc. So Steph has a lot of juice of his own.

We don't even know how close his mutiny may have come. At the time of Dolan's team speech many thought Larry might get the axe.

This season was a huge power play between marbury and brown and we still don't know who did or will win.

To think that is not disruptive to team morale is nothing short of naive.
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
4/28/2006  11:59 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

This season was a huge power play between marbury and brown and we still don't know who did or will win.

i would include isiah as the third angle in this equilateral triangle of juice.
holfresh
Posts: 38679
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/14/2006
Member: #1081
4/29/2006  12:04 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:


BlueSeats, for the record, Outside of the Orlando game where he didn't shoot..I have never seen Steph try to do things his way...The guy averaged 13 shots a game....How was he doing things "his way" he has always tried to pass the ball the way Larry wanted...As far as breaking plays, every player on every team in every game in every season breaks plays.....But Marbs is the only one held accountable...

Larry wanted him taking 15 to 20 shots. He wanted him playing defense. he wanted him showing leadership and resiliency. he wanted a head. he wanted the post fed. he wanted good body language. he wanted him to be an extension of the coach, not a resistance. he wanted a competitive spirit and a will to win.

Lets be serious, if we count the Bucks game, which was a hard ought lose that preceded our win streak, we got 7 good games from steph this year. And he turned them in on a dime. He went from appearing to not getting what he should be doing out there to suddenly playing all-star caliber ball. Overnight Marbury flipped his own switch. Then flipped it off again. It appeared to me, and I believe it did to the coach too, that Marbury was withholding himself from the team and coach.

I don't remember the exact quote, but Brown pretty much said at one point that Steph wasn't playing to win. It might have been when he spoke of Iverson.



How could you want a guy to show leadership when you are not showing it yourself...How can you want a guy to lead a team and have players follow when as a coach you do nothing but question his and others intellect in the press...Brown in essense was destroying the very thing he wanted from his top player...Then you blame Marbs for not being tough enough to withstand the constant barrage of criticism...

No two players on this team developed chemistry this year...Marbs and Craw developed a good chemistry the previous year...How is it possible that not two players played well together on this team..You can thank your head coach for juggling the lineups and playing people out of their positions and not having a lineup all damn season....Amazing, then you get up here trying to deflect blame someone else's way....Then I have to listen to track record....I'm not a Piston fan, I'm not a Philly fan, I'm not a Indiana fan, I'm not a Spur fan, I'm not a Net fan, I'm not a Clipper fan, I'm not a Jayhawk fan, etc...I'm a Knick fan and all I care about is what he does here...All his resume does for me is get him the job, now he has to perform...For 10 mil per year, you should be standing front and center taking all the heat...For 10 mil per year, you should be the first guy answering questions about what went wrong...He should never be the guy blaming the players or management for having a flawed roster...He should be the guy who can take any group of players and put them in a position of success...He didn't do it, he failed...He sucked really hard this year and tried to blame anyone within blame sticking distance and all the fans buy into this crap...Amazing...No more excuses for this guy please.....Really please...He is making an ungodly sum of money that he should be able to mold my pickup team into NBA threats....Come on, STOP THE EXCUSES!!!...




[Edited by - holfresh on 04-29-2006 12:07 AM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 04-29-2006 12:08 AM]
bigbeast
Posts: 22333
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 12/21/2005
Member: #1060
4/29/2006  12:05 AM
Isiah said way back in November, on Mike & the madddog that the team is being built around Frye and Curry. That was the first time Isiah had ever left Marbury out of the equation when speaking of the future of Knick basketball.

Isiah has also said time and time agin that he will move any player (he didn't exclude Marbury) whom can't work with Brown and in turn will try to acquire any player Brown deires.

The umbilical cord has been cut and obviously Isiah and Marb aren't as close as they were during the fetal stages of their relationship.

Brown even in so many words that he's pretty much calling the shots now.
"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
Killa4luv
Posts: 27769
Alba Posts: 51
Joined: 6/23/2002
Member: #261
USA
4/29/2006  12:22 AM
Posted by holfresh:

How could you want a guy to show leadership when you are not showing it yourself...How can you want a guy to lead a team and have players follow when as a coach you do nothing but question his and others intellect in the press...Brown in essense was destroying the very thing he wanted from his top player...Then you blame Marbs for not being tough enough to withstand the constant barrage of criticism...

No two players on this team developed chemistry this year...Marbs and Craw developed a good chemistry the previous year...How is it possible that not two players played well together on this team..You can thank your head coach for juggling the lineups and playing people out of their positions and not having a lineup all damn season....Amazing, then you get up here trying to deflect blame someone else's way....Then I have to listen to track record....I'm not a Piston fan, I'm not a Philly fan, I'm not a Indiana fan, I'm not a Spur fan, I'm not a Net fan, I'm not a Clipper fan, I'm not a Jayhawk fan, etc...I'm a Knick fan and all I care about is what he does here...All his resume does for me is get him the job, now he has to perform...For 10 mil per year, you should be standing front and center taking all the heat...For 10 mil per year, you should be the first guy answering questions about what went wrong...He should never be the guy blaming the players or management for having a flawed roster...He should be the guy who can take any group of players and put them in a position of success...He didn't do it, he failed...He sucked really hard this year and tried to blame anyone within blame sticking distance and all the fans buy into this crap...Amazing...No more excuses for this guy please.....Really please...He is making an ungodly sum of money that he should be able to mold my pickup team into NBA threats....Come on, STOP THE EXCUSES!!!...
this is classic!!!
Nalod
Posts: 71931
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
4/29/2006  10:42 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:


BlueSeats, for the record, Outside of the Orlando game where he didn't shoot..I have never seen Steph try to do things his way...The guy averaged 13 shots a game....How was he doing things "his way" he has always tried to pass the ball the way Larry wanted...As far as breaking plays, every player on every team in every game in every season breaks plays.....But Marbs is the only one held accountable...

Larry wanted him taking 15 to 20 shots. He wanted him playing defense. he wanted him showing leadership and resiliency. he wanted a head. he wanted the post fed. he wanted good body language. he wanted him to be an extension of the coach, not a resistance. he wanted a competitive spirit and a will to win.

Lets be serious, if we count the Bucks game, which was a hard ought lose that preceded our win streak, we got 7 good games from steph this year. And he turned them in on a dime. He went from appearing to not getting what he should be doing out there to suddenly playing all-star caliber ball. Overnight Marbury flipped his own switch. Then flipped it off again. It appeared to me, and I believe it did to the coach too, that Marbury was withholding himself from the team and coach.

I don't remember the exact quote, but Brown pretty much said at one point that Steph wasn't playing to win. It might have been when he spoke of Iverson.



How could you want a guy to show leadership when you are not showing it yourself...How can you want a guy to lead a team and have players follow when as a coach you do nothing but question his and others intellect in the press...Brown in essense was destroying the very thing he wanted from his top player...Then you blame Marbs for not being tough enough to withstand the constant barrage of criticism...

No two players on this team developed chemistry this year...Marbs and Craw developed a good chemistry the previous year...How is it possible that not two players played well together on this team..You can thank your head coach for juggling the lineups and playing people out of their positions and not having a lineup all damn season....Amazing, then you get up here trying to deflect blame someone else's way....Then I have to listen to track record....I'm not a Piston fan, I'm not a Philly fan, I'm not a Indiana fan, I'm not a Spur fan, I'm not a Net fan, I'm not a Clipper fan, I'm not a Jayhawk fan, etc...I'm a Knick fan and all I care about is what he does here...All his resume does for me is get him the job, now he has to perform...For 10 mil per year, you should be standing front and center taking all the heat...For 10 mil per year, you should be the first guy answering questions about what went wrong...He should never be the guy blaming the players or management for having a flawed roster...He should be the guy who can take any group of players and put them in a position of success...He didn't do it, he failed...He sucked really hard this year and tried to blame anyone within blame sticking distance and all the fans buy into this crap...Amazing...No more excuses for this guy please.....Really please...He is making an ungodly sum of money that he should be able to mold my pickup team into NBA threats....Come on, STOP THE EXCUSES!!!...




[Edited by - holfresh on 04-29-2006 12:07 AM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 04-29-2006 12:08 AM]


Ok, for 5 million is it ok to rant about not being able to motive your players?

Time will tell this tale.
Page 5 of 8 « First‹ Previous 3  4  5  6  7 Next ›Last »
« Reply To Topic
The BlueSeats Manuscript: Steph...a Cancer?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy