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4/19/2006  3:04 PM
Look at waht he did on the court not in the papers

allowing marginally talented opposing PG's to torch him for career highs on several occasions... not playing hard nosed defense consistently... rolling his eyes & blaming teammates for his own gaffes on the floor... arguing w/teammates during huddles... not running the plays called by his coach & doing his own thing instead.

hmm, i'd say he was alot more than just the least of everyone's worry this year.
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4/19/2006  3:27 PM
Posted by holfresh:



Ok Bip, you seem to know the game very well...You have to admit, even if the players didn't take Brown's antics too personally and played their hearts out on a nightly basis, it would have still been difficult to win consistantly given what Brown was doing to his lineups and playing time with different players....Even you have to admit that....Couple that with all the bull that went on in this organization caused this horrible outcome....I jsut get upset when the overall assessment is that it's one guy tha is the problem...I know you have said this, BUT ITS THE ENTIRE TEAM...And in my opinion Marbs was the least of everyone's worry this year...Look at waht he did on the court not in the papers....


That's the thing. If the players played their arses off then they would have had a beef. Then ALL THE BLAME would have been on LB if they had the same record. But the truth is if they played hard and hadn't quit we wouldn't have the same record, or a similar record. The rotations would have been more reliable and roles would have been established. LB created a very tough atmosphere that hurt the team. He could have gone a different route that could have helped us. But instead of responding to the challenge this team rolled over and died. Just like they do when another team makes a run at them, when they struggle offensively and just like they would do if they somehow made the playoffs.

This team has no heart and no character. LB was a horrible coach this year. But if you ask me, I'm taking the guy that has won before and has a proven system, over guys that have never won and quit at the first sign of things not going their way. "you won't let me play my way, then I'll just quit". I don't want any part of that.
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4/19/2006  7:23 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I believe that the Larry Brown ass kissers haven't looked hard enough at his career. This guy wouldn't even be here if he was all that he was supposed to be. Why isn't he still coaching a title contending team? What coach gets chased out of town from a title contender unless there's some real issues with him? LB got too much credit for Detroit and not enough blame for the Knicks. This guy was HORRIBLE!!!! I don't care who we had on this team. It wasn't a worse team than Chaney, Wilkins or Herb had, so what's LB's excuse for such a horible job. He was looking to pass on blame to Isaiah before the season even started. Instead of speaking on the positives of what he had, LB focsed on the negative from the get go and he destroyed the confidence of players like Jamal. It took him all season to get his head back on straight. Was that really necessary?

What about LB's constant flip flops on setting the rotation and then his many calls to start playing the young guys and then not doing it. In all my years i've NEVER seen a worse job of running a team. He alienated most of his players. Even his pet players like AD turned on him. WHY? Cuz he's a phoney. He's been exposed now since the olympics and last years Pistons dropping him like a bad habit. Then he comes here and makes all these claims that he's going to maximize players strengths and minimize their weaknesses, but he does the complete opposite. He further exposes this teams weaknesses and amplifies them. last year this team avg'd only 14 turnovers a game and basically we had a fairly decent offense for a losing team. Itt wasn't that we couldn't score, but that we couldn't defend and we had no size. So it wasn't necessary for LB to change EVERYTHING about the way the team played on offense. His offense stinks and always has. What covers it up is that his teams defend. But you have to have the right players for that and clearly we're not built that way. So why didn't LB adjust so as to help this team win games. Why no zones at least in stretches so that we might slow teams down. As just a change of pace once in a while. LB did NOTHING to help this team to succeed. I'd like someone to explain to me what he did as a coach to help this team win games? I didn't see anything.


1) This team was worse then those teams. This team has no talent on the defensive end of the ball.

2) IF you're not built to play defense - you're not built to one. The changes you requested may win you a few games - but get you no closer to being a decent team.

He's a hall of fame coach. Been doing it for 30 years. In a job that is in a constant spot-light - he's a phoney? How do explain that 30 years of people who play, manage and own teams think he's a good coach. But some guy posting on a bulletin board knows better?

If you want to argue he had a bad year - I agree. If you want to argue his whole career is a sham - that's ridiculus.
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4/19/2006  7:29 PM
Posted by holfresh:



Ok Bip, you seem to know the game very well...You have to admit, even if the players didn't take Brown's antics too personally and played their hearts out on a nightly basis, it would have still been difficult to win consistantly given what Brown was doing to his lineups and playing time with different players....Even you have to admit that....Couple that with all the bull that went on in this organization caused this horrible outcome....I jsut get upset when the overall assessment is that it's one guy tha is the problem...I know you have said this, BUT ITS THE ENTIRE TEAM...And in my opinion Marbs was the least of everyone's worry this year...Look at waht he did on the court not in the papers....



If Larry had 8 guys who consistently played Hard and smart. He would have settled on a lineup - for reference see the rest of his career.
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4/19/2006  7:32 PM
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by holfresh:



Ok Bip, you seem to know the game very well...You have to admit, even if the players didn't take Brown's antics too personally and played their hearts out on a nightly basis, it would have still been difficult to win consistantly given what Brown was doing to his lineups and playing time with different players....Even you have to admit that....Couple that with all the bull that went on in this organization caused this horrible outcome....I jsut get upset when the overall assessment is that it's one guy tha is the problem...I know you have said this, BUT ITS THE ENTIRE TEAM...And in my opinion Marbs was the least of everyone's worry this year...Look at waht he did on the court not in the papers....



If Larry had 8 guys who consistently played Hard and smart. He would have settled on a lineup - for reference see the rest of his career.

exactly. people keep talking about rotations and lineups...and i keep asking, who do you start, and who do you sub in...and more importantly, who do you sit? it will NEVER satisfy everyone b/c when eddy curry commits his 2nd foul in 5 minutes, they'll be screaming at why didn't butler play. very few people earned their minutes. it's always, if lb did this, if lb did that, we definitely would've won more games. and i laugh at this b/c people are now satisfied with 35 wins or so at the expense of building a winning culture.
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4/19/2006  8:57 PM
Posted by OldFan:
Posted by holfresh:



Ok Bip, you seem to know the game very well...You have to admit, even if the players didn't take Brown's antics too personally and played their hearts out on a nightly basis, it would have still been difficult to win consistantly given what Brown was doing to his lineups and playing time with different players....Even you have to admit that....Couple that with all the bull that went on in this organization caused this horrible outcome....I jsut get upset when the overall assessment is that it's one guy tha is the problem...I know you have said this, BUT ITS THE ENTIRE TEAM...And in my opinion Marbs was the least of everyone's worry this year...Look at waht he did on the court not in the papers....



If Larry had 8 guys who consistently played Hard and smart. He would have settled on a lineup - for reference see the rest of his career.

He had about 7 or 8 who played hard. Why not play them over the lazy ones? What smart coach wouldn't have done that?
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