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holfresh
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2/26/2006  4:26 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by holfresh:



No way do I want Don Nelson here, the guys is one milkshake away from a heart attack...Massive alcoholic over the years...

you know this for a fact?




Yes this is a known fact...It was a major problem for him here in New York...This is known in the NBA...Bro I know I just started posting...But I'm no rook to the NBA..... U look that up....
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2/26/2006  4:27 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Umm, he wasn't talking about Don Nelson, he was talking about his son Donnie Nelson, who has been a long time NBA assistant coach and personell guy.

Don Nelson son?...Now he has a track record....Wow....
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2/26/2006  4:30 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by VDesai:

Umm, he wasn't talking about Don Nelson, he was talking about his son Donnie Nelson, who has been a long time NBA assistant coach and personell guy.

Don Nelson son?...Now he has a track record....Wow....


Yeah, I'd say 20+ years of NBA and President of Basketball Operations for the Mavs is a track record.

http://www.nba.com/coachfile/donn_nelson/?nav=page
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2/26/2006  4:42 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by martin:
Posted by holfresh:



No way do I want Don Nelson here, the guys is one milkshake away from a heart attack...Massive alcoholic over the years...

you know this for a fact?




Yes this is a known fact...It was a major problem for him here in New York...This is known in the NBA...Bro I know I just started posting...But I'm no rook to the NBA..... U look that up....


you are posting like a rook.
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2/26/2006  4:44 PM
holfresh, I would just thank him for saying I was posting as well as Chris Paul is playing!
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2/26/2006  6:13 PM
GIVE LARRY THE TYPE OF PLAYERS HE WANTS.. ONCE THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED THEN WE CAN GRADE HIM..
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2/26/2006  6:29 PM
GIVE LARRY THE TYPE OF PLAYERS HE WANTS.. ONCE THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED THEN WE CAN GRADE HIM..

That's ridiculous. He can only be graded if he has a custom-tailored roster? He gets to have the exact players he wants otherwise it's okay to go 15-37?

Every coach has to work with what he's got.

LB is doing a bad job with this crew, simple as that.

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2/26/2006  6:37 PM
Posted by oohah:
GIVE LARRY THE TYPE OF PLAYERS HE WANTS.. ONCE THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED THEN WE CAN GRADE HIM..

That's ridiculous. He can only be graded if he has a custom-tailored roster? He gets to have the exact players he wants otherwise it's okay to go 15-37?

Every coach has to work with what he's got.

LB is doing a bad job with this crew, simple as that.

oohah
bro, how do you think he got philly to the finals.. cause he made sure kats like stachouse, tim thomas and others were traded.. he made sure he got players like lynch, mutombo, raja bell, snow, tyrone hill and others who can play hardnose defense, were tough-minded, never quit attitudes into his system..

these guys on the team are players assiah picked.. atheltic players with no fundamentals.. soft players who easily quits.. not hardnose, not mentally tough, overpaid and most of all, can't play defense...

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 02-26-2006 6:38 PM]

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 02-26-2006 6:39 PM]
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2/26/2006  6:51 PM
>>WOODMANnYk - GIVE LARRY THE TYPE OF PLAYERS HE WANTS.. ONCE THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED THEN WE CAN GRADE HIM..

Woodman - did Lenny Wilkens get his type of players?

Herb Williams?

Rick Pitino?

Stu Jackson?
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2/26/2006  7:16 PM
bro, how do you think he got philly to the finals.. cause he made sure kats like stachouse, tim thomas and others were traded.. he made sure he got players like lynch, mutombo, raja bell, snow, tyrone hill and others who can play hardnose defense, were tough-minded, never quit attitudes into his system..
these guys on the team are players assiah picked.. atheltic players with no fundamentals.. soft players who easily quits.. not hardnose, not mentally tough, overpaid and most of all, can't play defense...

That's fine, LB can work towards getting the type of players he prefers. That takes time, and he can't expect to walk onto a excellent team. (He already had that with Detroit.) He knew what he was getting into as well.

He still has to be graded on the job he is doing with the personnel he has. He doesn't get a pass until he has his ideal roster.

That just isn't how coaching works, or else every other coach with a bad record could make the same case, regardless of their resume.

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2/26/2006  7:27 PM
Before we say "Fire Larry", can we take a look at the accomplishments of the players he was given? Don't forget to factor in that Zeke, outside of his playing days, has been pretty much a failure. I've given a lot of people the benefit of the doubt. Larry will get the same treatment. Isiah has been here long enough to be judged. Larry hasn't. Compare his acheivements to our players'. If we're still terrible next year at this time, then I'll start questioning the guy.


PLAYER 	               YRS       ACCOMPLISHMENTS
Jackie Butler 	        1        N/A (not enough experience)
Jamal Crawford 	        5        Zero
Eddy Curry 	        4        Zero
Steve Francis 	        6        Best player on mostly losing teams (Traded 3 times)
Channing Frye 	        R        N/A (not enough experience)
Jerome James 	        5        Zero
David Lee 	        R        N/A (not enough experience)
Stephon Marbury 	9        Best player on mostly losing teams (Traded 4 times)
Quentin Richardson 	5        A playoff series win with the Suns
Nate Robinson 	        R        N/A (not enough experience)
Jalen Rose 	        11       Significant contributer on some deep playoff teams (Traded 4 times)
Malik Rose 	        9        Role player on an NBA Championship Team
Maurice Taylor 	        7        Zero
Qyntel Woods 	        3        N/A (not enough experience)



Larry Brown's Achievements

    * 1973 Carolina Cougars: ABA Western Division regular season champions
    * 1976 Denver Nuggets: ABA regular season champions (single-division)
    * 1977 Denver Nuggets: NBA Midwest Division Champions
    * 1978 Denver Nuggets: NBA Midwest Division Champions
    * 1980 UCLA: NCAA Championship Game
    * 1986 Kansas: NCAA Final Four & Big Eight Conference Champions
    * 1988 Kansas: NCAA National Champions
    * 1990 San Antonio Spurs: NBA Midwest Division Champions
    * 1991 San Antonio Spurs: NBA Midwest Division Champions
    * 1995 Indiana Pacers: NBA Central Division Champions
    * 2001 Philadelphia 76ers: NBA Eastern Conference Champions
    * 2004 Detroit Pistons: NBA Champions
    * 2005 Detroit Pistons: NBA Eastern Conference Champions
    * College: 1 National Championship, 3 Final Fours in 7 seasons
    * Pro: 1 Championship, 3 Conference Championships, 10 Division Championships, 
      25 Playoff appearances in 26 seasons
    * 1,000 career NBA wins
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2/26/2006  7:37 PM
Posted by eViL:

Before we say "Fire Larry", can we take a look at the accomplishments of the players he was given? Don't forget to factor in that Zeke, outside of his playing days, has been pretty much a failure. I've given a lot of people the benefit of the doubt. Larry will get the same treatment. Isiah has been here long enough to be judged. Larry hasn't. Compare his acheivements to our players'. If we're still terrible next year at this time, then I'll start questioning the guy.


PLAYER 	               YRS       ACCOMPLISHMENTS
Jackie Butler 	        1        N/A (not enough experience)
Jamal Crawford 	        5        Zero
Eddy Curry 	        4        Zero
Steve Francis 	        6        Best player on mostly losing teams (Traded 3 times)
Channing Frye 	        R        N/A (not enough experience)
Jerome James 	        5        Zero
David Lee 	        R        N/A (not enough experience)
Stephon Marbury 	9        Best player on mostly losing teams (Traded 4 times)
Quentin Richardson 	5        A playoff series win with the Suns
Nate Robinson 	        R        N/A (not enough experience)
Jalen Rose 	        11       Significant contributer on some deep playoff teams (Traded 4 times)
Malik Rose 	        9        Role player on an NBA Championship Team
Maurice Taylor 	        7        Zero
Qyntel Woods 	        3        N/A (not enough experience)



Larry Brown's Achievements

    * 1973 Carolina Cougars: ABA Western Division regular season champions
    * 1976 Denver Nuggets: ABA regular season champions (single-division)
    * 1977 Denver Nuggets: NBA Midwest Division Champions
    * 1978 Denver Nuggets: NBA Midwest Division Champions
    * 1980 UCLA: NCAA Championship Game
    * 1986 Kansas: NCAA Final Four & Big Eight Conference Champions
    * 1988 Kansas: NCAA National Champions
    * 1990 San Antonio Spurs: NBA Midwest Division Champions
    * 1991 San Antonio Spurs: NBA Midwest Division Champions
    * 1995 Indiana Pacers: NBA Central Division Champions
    * 2001 Philadelphia 76ers: NBA Eastern Conference Champions
    * 2004 Detroit Pistons: NBA Champions
    * 2005 Detroit Pistons: NBA Eastern Conference Champions
    * College: 1 National Championship, 3 Final Fours in 7 seasons
    * Pro: 1 Championship, 3 Conference Championships, 10 Division Championships, 
      25 Playoff appearances in 26 seasons
    * 1,000 career NBA wins

I agree with you. These are not his players. That piece of garbage Isiah has not 1 defensive player on this roster. Larry is a great coach but he needs hard nosed players and we have none. It's not his fault that Curry and James both suck or Crawford and Qrich cant hit an open jumper. Stephon Loserbury is the biggest problem on this whole team, he could care less if we win or lose. This team is a joke and i said it before the year started, no winners on the roster. Larry can't win with a bunch of low life losers. So lets trade for Francis another loser and add more payroll.
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2/26/2006  7:44 PM
^^ Noone disputes LB's coaching record. Does that mean he has done even a decent job with this team? Does this season's 15-37 record rest on Isiah's and the player's shoulders only?

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2/26/2006  7:45 PM
>>>These are not his players.

evil - Were they Don Chaney's players?

[Edited by - MisterEarl on 02-26-2006 7:46 PM]
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2/26/2006  8:06 PM
OK. So people still want to argue this. Put it to you this way:



Name                    Seasons         Playoff Appearances
Larry Brown             26              25

Jamal Crawford 	        5	        0
Eddy Curry 	        4	        0
Steve Francis 	        6	        1
Jerome James 	        5	        3
Stephon Marbury 	9	        4
Quentin Richardson 	5	        1
Jalen Rose 	        11	        5
Malik Rose 	        9	        8
Maurice Taylor 	        7	        1

Team Total              61              23
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2/26/2006  8:12 PM
OK. So people still want to argue this. Put it to you this way:

Name Seasons Playoff AppearancesLarry Brown 26 25Jamal Crawford 5 0Eddy Curry 4 0Steve Francis 6 1Jerome James 5 3Stephon Marbury 9 4Quentin Richardson 5 1Jalen Rose 11 5Malik Rose 9 8Maurice Taylor 7 1Team Total 61 23

Has LB done a good job this season?

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2/26/2006  8:17 PM
I left out anyone with 3 seasons or less so as not to skew the numbers. As you can see, the contrast is ridiculous. LB has made it to the playoffs everywhere he has been. Most of our guys have been playing for bottom dwelling teams over the majority of their careers. Now tell me, why should I be down on LB? Seriously, don't give me crap about rotations or any of that stuff. He never had a problem making rotations in the past.

The problem is, he's dealing with wildly inconsistent players. Although, I should say, they consistently give no effort on defense. Is that his fault? Nate McMillan just went on the same spiel with his team. Coaches should not have to coach effort. Anyone who thinks these players tried last night is a fool. They rolled over like the punks that they are. Anyone who sympathizes with these gutless losers because of LB's harsh criticisms is a pansy.

They are supposed to be men. The problem is, they don't play like men. They are weak. If they have formed a mutiny against LB, then they are the ones to blame for being weak-minded losers. They don't want to put in the work that it takes to win. That's all there is to it.
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2/26/2006  8:34 PM
Posted by oohah:

Has LB done a good job this season?

oohah

Since all I can go by is wins and losses, I'll say "No."

Now let me ask you this: have any of our players done a good job in their entire career? Find me a leader, find me a stopper, find me a guy who puts everyone on their shoulders. Do we have one? Has anyone on our roster EVER taken over a playoff series on both sides of the floor? Let's make it easier, has anyone on our roster EVER taken over a playoff series on ONE side of the floor? Maybe Jalen... BUT THAT'S IT.

Our guys just aren't workers. They are primadonnas. In order to succeed in any winning system, you have to work. We have a team of guys that are satisfied with where they are. Don't ask for any more out of them. They don't have the same drive as the elite players in the league. Our boys are happy collecting checks. If they had any pride they'd be trying like hell to win, but they're not. They quit. There is no excuse for them. They were not up for the challenge of playing for a HOF coach. They failed.
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2/26/2006  9:07 PM
hey evil..guess what, nobody cares about larry browns resume...and you answered the question...he has NOT done a good job this year.

Stop bringing up his "resume"...did you bring up lenny wilkens resume when you ran him out of town?

Oh yeah, he's different than larry because he's...I'm trying not to say it, but these posts are really trying my patience...and you are bringing up our roster?

So, now you are saying we have the worst roster in the league...how many rookies do the hornets have? Atlanta, etc.

Stop making excuses for larry brown because he's *****.

Oh...damn, I let that slip.

Tell me again why Larry brown gets a pass...I'm really interested in something BESIDES his history.

History means sh!t.

Lenny wilkens has a more accomplished history than Larry brown AND a more accomplished playing history.

And he is a HOF coach.

Where are your jocking him quotes...I'm sick to death of you guys just spewing hate..it's completely obvious.

Yeah, I pulled the **** card...


[Edited by - rvhoss on 02-26-2006 9:11 PM]
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OK. So you choose to believe that a career winner, who's made the playoff's in all but one of his 26 seasons of coaching is to blame, when a group of players, who have lost way more often than they have won, can't win games. You back this up by bringing up racism (a clear sign that you have no support for your argument). You are a sensitive emotional, tender type. You are the prototype Knickerbocker. You would fit in well with this team. They have more excuses than combined playoff wins.
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