Posted by Bippity10:

Again, I never said he was wrong. I never said he was right either. But you can't beleive someone might suggest that maybe it isn't true so you automatically assume that I thought it was wrong. All I know is magically all these stories about Marbs are coming at us non-stop. I'm just saying people should not believe everything they hear.

Posted by Bippity10:

Two nights ago I saw Channing frye get knocked to the floor. I saw Jamal Crawford walk away from him. I saw Malik Rose ignore him. I saw AD and Marbs sprint to help him up off the floor. If we search hard enough we can find things to hate. I'm not saying I beleive or disbelieve any of the stories. I just know that over the last 2 weeks I've heard more stories from people that were "at the games" and that nobody talked to Marbs etc that Im very skeptical. Everytime I'm at the games I see him and Jamal and Malik having a grand old time chatting and laughing together.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Steph has bad body language, he always has. That does not mean he is the reason George Bush couldn't find WMDs.

I am trying to be objoective, most seem to be seeing what they want to see.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Bippity10:

Again, I never said he was wrong. I never said he was right either. But you can't beleive someone might suggest that maybe it isn't true so you automatically assume that I thought it was wrong. All I know is magically all these stories about Marbs are coming at us non-stop. I'm just saying people should not believe everything they hear.

Maybe the reason these stories are coming non-stop is that we have a few members going to games and seeing a pattern? I mean the towel has been a fixture for over a week now.

I would think Steph's morose detachment would get under the skin of a coach more than anyone. All I can tell you is if I were his coach, GM, mother or friend I'd smack that towel right off his head and tell him to get it together, get on the same page with his coach and be at the forefront of selling the style to his teammates. Steph needs to stop hunkering down like he's alone in a trench. IMHO.

well, his own mentor/GM basically told him to "man up b/c his wife and kids are watching."

does somebody really need to be told that?

part of me thinks the fix was in from the summer. i think isiah tried to move steph on draft night and wasn't successful. there were rumors floating around about a kind of "falling out" between steph and isiah this summer. we got lb and i think isiah basically told steph this was his last shot. they saw that it wasn't going to work out so it's possible that a trade has already been made but only lb, steph, and isiah know about it and are just buying some time until it can be made official. it would explain steph's demeanor (especially as of late) and pretty much the phasing out of him in all knicks media and the open criticism of him on msg network. it's like they're kind of portraying him in a bad light so when we do officially move him, people will be ok with it. this, of course, is an lsd induced theory but a theory none-the-less.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Except with marbury it seems to be a fashion statement.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by djsunyc:

this, of course, is an lsd induced theory but a theory none-the-less.

Well how about this for a theory.

The Knicks could have more victories but because of LB's lack of a SL, crazy rotation, Craws inconsistancy, Currys injuries, and q's ineptitude, we haven't. Steph has been by far the best and most consistant player on the team. He is frustrated, because he could do more things to help us win, but because of LB's insistance on coaching to his liking as opposed to his personnel he cannot. As a result his infamous body language has appeared to be more pronounced, but hasn't actually worsened, it is just visible more often because we are losing more often. If it indeed has worsened it is in response to our losing and the frustration that comes with that. Not to mention the fact the he is blamed for everything bad that happpens to the knicks whether it is his fault or not.

Posted by djsunyc:

do you think that steph's body language doesn't impact the team?

Maybe, maybe not, it really depends on the player. Shaq and Kobe hated each other and won rings together. I think playing hard is the most important thing and I see Steph playing hard night in and night out. I also see him playing at a consistant level. Why wouldn't that impact the team?

Perhaps with improved body language certain players would suck less or play more consistantly. Perhaps there would be no effect. The bottom line is those are all grown ass men being paid handsomely to do what they do. Each of them are responsible for their own actions. When are men held accountable for there own actions? His body language isn't making them play poorly.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 12-28-2005 11:32 AM]

Posted by EWING33BXNY:

Posted by SlimPack:



so you're saying that it was a coincidence that the knicks went on a run when marbury went to the bench? becuase they have done it before. although I guess it still could be a coincidence.

Don't you think that the KNICKS go on runs when our SECOND UNIT is up against the other teams SECOND UNIT. I really didn't watch the game but was NATE doing all of this when NJ's big three was on the floor?