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TheSage
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12/24/2005  7:07 AM
crzymdups-Idiot???? This is LB's resume-what's yours?

Inducted as a coach in 2002 into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame.

• Resume includes three ABA Coach of the Year awards (1973, 1975 and 1976), the 2001 NBA Coach of the Year honor, a 2004 NBA title and a 1988 NCAA championship.

• Is the first and only coach in NBA history to guide seven different franchises to the playoffs.

• In the NBA, he has finished firstin his division six times - 1976-77and 1977-78 with Denver; 1989-90 and 1990-91 with San Antonio; 1994-95 with Indiana; and 2000-01 with Philadelphia.

• Has posted a .500 or better record in 29 of his 32 seasons as a professional or collegiate head coach and has compiled a 1,444-982 (.595 winning percentage) career record (includes playoffs).

• Ranks second all-time for NBA/ABA head coaching victories with 1,162, trailing only Lenny Wilkens (1,315 victories), and lists 16th for combining winning percentage (.586).

• After 21 seasons in the NBA, he has an 933-713 (.567 winning percentage) record as a head mentor.

• Ranks seventh all-time among NBA coaches in victories (933) and ranks third among coaches active in 2003-04.

• Ranks seventh all-time among NBA head coaches in games coached (1,646).

• Lists fourth on the NBA’s all-time list for Playoff wins as a head coach with 85, is second among coaches active in 2003-04, is fifth all-time for Playoff games coached with 164.
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bobs3304
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12/24/2005  7:26 AM
Larry Brown isn't the best coach in the NBA.

That's pretty evident by now, otherwise we'd be atleast close to .500.

He's the best TEACHER in the game.......no question. He's a good coach, but a great teacher, that's his forte. That's why Zeke brought him in.

Hell, even Phil Jackson isn't THAT great of a coach. He's a brilliant MANAGER, the best in the game. That's his forte. When you have great players like Shaq and Kobe or Mike and Scottie, you don't really need a great coach behind them, just someone who can manage egos and make subtle changes to the team. Sometimes a little bit goes a long way.



I'm not surprised by our record. I'm surprised, though, by how little effort we showed so far at home. It's disgusting.

I think Crawford, Curry, Frye, Nate, Lee, Ariza, and Butler are guys you keep and build a foundation from.

Marbury's obviously not Brown's choice at SG, and he's not the PG for this team. He's pretty limited in how he can create for others. Granted, JC isn't a full-time point either (both are pretty much stuck in b/w), but that doesn't mean you hold onto Marbury JUST CAZ.....

I'm not afraid to lose our best player. Not when I see where this team is headed.

Isiah's not trading Curry and Frye. So there ya go -- that's our starting frontcourt for the next couple years at the very least. Crawford needs to be in the starting backcourt. He deserves it. Next to him, we need someone who passes and defends. I don't care which guard position, b/c on a Larry Brown team it doesn't matter -- you don't define players by positions.

At SF we need someone who passes and defends too.....just not Trevor Ariza. I like Ariza, but we need an upgrade over him. Someone who can atleast hit an open shot.


Btw, for all you that are worried about not having a quote on quote "superstar leader". Well, that's the other great thing about Brown ---- HE'S our superstar leader. Granted, we do need more leaders on this team and guys that play with heart, but it doesn't mean we need a superstar. Not even a Jermaine O'Neal. The Pistons didn't have that. Sure, they had a bunch of All-Star caliber guys that played D, but they didn't have a single 2-way superstar, not 1.

We just need some "Dawgs"......like SAS, err, I mean Santa, said last night...

In fact now that I think about it, I would love to get a guy like Gerald Wallace over here. But ya....that's pretty much wishful thinking now.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 12-24-2005 07:29 AM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
BlueSeats
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12/24/2005  12:21 PM
Guys, i know it's been said a zillion times but it's worth repeating: Brown is not a quick start coach.

If I thought the team would be ending the season playing as badly as now I'd be as against him as anyone, but I expect we'll be better after the team starts 'getting it'.

We got Brown for long term results, not a quick start.
bigbeast
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12/24/2005  12:44 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BlueSeats:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=452612

Knicks are in turmoil.

1) Nate Rob wasnt sick, he was sent home cause of an argument with larry brown.

2) Ariza had to be restrained by davis and rose cause he was taken out the game and is finger pointing.

3) Crawford has asked to be traded.

4) Qrich has also asked to be traded.


Team is in disaaray at this point.

by the way, nate rob didnt get into a fight with rose over a bet, he attacked rose in the shower naked cause rose criticized the way he played defense and how he didnt get up in the man.


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With Coach Idiot in command, none of this surprises me at all. Can we fire this idiot? Sure, he's a good coach when he gets his type of player, but he can't adjust and you would have to turn over the entire roster to get his type of team. Fire the coach. There are 20 other coaches who could win with talent and help them get along. Larry Brown is all ego. I love how people point to his success in Detroit and Indiana without mentioning that those teams also forced him out the door ASAP. He's a jerk. Get rid of him. He won't ever win with this team and he'll destroy what talent Isiah has assembled. Let Herb coach, get a defensive assistant to help him out on D. This team needs to lose Herr Brown.


If Isiah fires brown, it'll be the last thing he does as a Knick president. You can't keep shuffling coaches in and out. Chaney, to Wilkens, to Herb and now to brown. Thats too many coaches in the span of two years. Honestly, I didn't want Brown to get the job, I perfered Flip, if not him then just give the team back to Herb. but brown is here, and his record speaks for itself. I don't agree with some of things he does and says, and I hate that he can't or doesn't seem to want to adjust to his players, but he is a top notch coach. Just let it play out.


[Edited by - bigbeast on 12-24-2005 4:50 PM]
"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
simrud
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12/24/2005  4:24 PM
If a coach who has won before everywhere, on every level, thinks that certain guys should be moved, you know what, maybe just maybe he knows best?
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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12/24/2005  7:52 PM
Ther will always be turmoil on a team as bad as the Knicks. I think it is an injustice to say Nate got sent home. The kid does need to grow up and show more respect to the vets but that is bad information. This team has no leadership and is young
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12/25/2005  12:15 AM
Posted by King1:

Ther will always be turmoil on a team as bad as the Knicks. I think it is an injustice to say Nate got sent home. The kid does need to grow up and show more respect to the vets but that is bad information. This team has no leadership and is young

As this is my first exposure to your info I have no reason to believe it or doubt it. That others here vouch for you certainly bodes well, however, you appear to refute info from someone I believe has been accurate in the past. So I feel obliged to ask, what is the nature of your source - anyway you can characterize it or qualify it? For instance, is it possible that in the matter of Nate's benching that your info came after the front office spun it?

also, no one questions that the team is young and devoid of leadership, and it wasn't stated that Nate was sent home for mouthing off to a vet, it was said to be for mouthing off to Brown.

I also don't see you confirm or deny the rest of the original post. Is that because you don't refute it, or because you have no knowledge on it?

Can you or anyone tell me what other info you have provided in the past?

I don't doubt your legitimacy as a source, but I am interested in understanding the nature of your info.

Thanks.

King1
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12/25/2005  1:02 AM
The information I am getting is not spun in any way shape or form. I think all the trade crap was taken out of context and I am not going to say anything unless I am 100% sure I am right. I live in the midwest and I have never talked to anyone in MSG I can assure you that
BlueSeats
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12/25/2005  1:09 AM
I'm not trying to be disrespectful but I'm no less confused as to the nature of your info.
BlueSeats
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12/27/2005  10:23 PM
Apparently on ESPN News today blackbishop's info about players wanting to be traded was corroborated. (See first post in thread)

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=454171
martin
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12/27/2005  10:50 PM
ESPN gets its news from RealGM, so it's a big circle jerk.
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BlueSeats
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12/27/2005  11:09 PM
Posted by martin:

ESPN gets its news from RealGM, so it's a big circle jerk.

wow, is espn really that shallow?

realgm inside info: Team Turmoil

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