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Pharzeone
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12/15/2005  9:39 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

I think when Dumars made the Darko pick, LB had a lot of power and input into that pick. It was decision by committee. As Davidson slowly grew tired of LB's act, LB lost a lot of the leverage he had. So don't blame Dumars alone for the pick of Darko.

Dumars indicated who they wanted at the time of the lottery. That team was so happy to get the 2nd pick overrall it was crazy while they were getting swept by the Nets. Brown wasn't he hired as head coach at that point because the Pistons had just eliminated them. I remember some guys like Chad Ford saying how Darko will be the best player coming out of that draft. Dumars said it too and Brown backed him up. Brown does cover himself.
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Knight
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12/15/2005  9:42 PM
Chad Ford:

Detroit Pistons
Round 1: Darko Milicic, F, Serbia-Montenegro (No. 2)
Round 1: Carlos Delfino, G, Italy (No. 25)
Round 2: Andres Gliniadakis, C, Greece (No. 58)
How many teams with the best record in their conference end up with the best big man in the draft and a draft-night steal in Carlos Delfino? By now, you know about Darko, but Delfino will also be important down the road. He's tough, a strong shooter and plays aggressive defense. He reminds me a lot of Michael Finley. He could play an immediate role on the Pistons if he stays here next year. Gliniadakis was a nice pickup at the end of the draft. He's a 7-footer who can actually play. The Pistons will leave him in Greece for a few years and bring him over when he's ready.
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12/15/2005  10:03 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

I think when Dumars made the Darko pick, LB had a lot of power and input into that pick. It was decision by committee. As Davidson slowly grew tired of LB's act, LB lost a lot of the leverage he had. So don't blame Dumars alone for the pick of Darko.

I thought larry was opposed to the pick, actually that was a big topic, because larry didn't want to draft darko, and that was part of the reason why he didn't play the kid..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/15/2005  10:06 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

And yes, Dumars would be good, but the second he does something remotely wrong, people will be calling for his head.

Dolan and the cap problems would strangle Dumars.
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12/15/2005  10:16 PM
In fairness to Darko he apparently was abused emotionally by Larry:

"Larry beat him up too much," Billups said. "He tore the kid's confidence apart too much, and it was tough for him to recover. ... With (new coach) Flip (Saunders) there, maybe it's different. (Brown) beat him up too much, man, to where he could never recover."

"He beat that kid up way too much," Billups said. "The kid has unbelievable talent. There's nothing he can't do out there on the court. ... In the playoffs, we're smiling and laughing and having fun out there. I've never seen Darko smile one day ever in practice or playing, and that's a problem."
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12/15/2005  10:17 PM
The cap problems that Isiah has exacerbated.

It'll strangle Dumars but Isiah will be able to build a contender despite it? So the proven GM with a championship and 2 Finals appearances can't but a GM that has never won a playoff round much less a championship can?
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12/15/2005  10:18 PM
I don't know who to side with on the Darko issue. The kid still can't get it together under Flip, he's getting about 7 minutes a game, now I know thats not alot, but he's not doing much of anything in his time out there. I wonder if Larry was so disconcerted with him because he played so well in practice but when the games came he sucked?
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12/15/2005  10:19 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I don't know who to side with on the Darko issue. The kid still can't get it together under Flip, he's getting about 7 minutes a game, now I know thats not alot, but he's not doing much of anything in his time out there. I wonder if Larry was so disconcerted with him because he played so well in practice but when the games came he sucked?

Or maybe he still hasn't recovered from LB.
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12/15/2005  10:22 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I don't know who to side with on the Darko issue. The kid still can't get it together under Flip, he's getting about 7 minutes a game, now I know thats not alot, but he's not doing much of anything in his time out there. I wonder if Larry was so disconcerted with him because he played so well in practice but when the games came he sucked?

Or maybe he still hasn't recovered from LB.

Could very well be. I guess another issue is, is he just a bust? There have been guys like Lampe who were supposed to be the next Dirk and have wonderful practices and tryouts and all that stuff but never able to get it together in the games. All these are possibilities. Maybe Darko was too much of a baby to take playing in the NBA at that early age, some guys like Dirk and Yao were able to handle it under tough coaches too.
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12/15/2005  10:27 PM
The Darko discussion is funny. It is clearly a miss for Dumars but he gets a pass because of championship, though he acquired Rasheed and resign the guy. The more interesting question is will they make a serious attempt to resign Ben Wallace. If so I don't see why you would keep Darko around, to be waterboy. I still don't see what others seen before. He doesn't look that quick, he does have a nice stroke outside but not that gifted.
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12/15/2005  10:47 PM
If you want to rebuild by getting under the cap, it's pointless to say "fire Isiah." Do you really think that with this ownership, Isiah's replacement would be doing that type of rebuilding? If that's the type of rebuilding you want, you need to be arguing for new ownership. I'd rather give it about 18 more months to see how Frye, Curry, and the other kids develop under Larry.
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12/15/2005  11:02 PM
First of all it's not just about getting under the cap. It's about using the MLE to sign FA's that can actually help instead of just taking up space like Vin Baker and Big Stiff. It's about not making so many awful trades that give up our potential lottery picks and other trade assets for very flawed players. So it's hardly pointless to say "fire Isiah".
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12/15/2005  11:14 PM
Its amazing how people can already judge the curry trade after 20 games. Sure he has defects in his game-who doesn't? But considering the fact he didn't work out this summer and he has has a number of minor injuries , hes only 23 yrs old and with his potential we NEED to be patient and give him time. This is the short sightness and impatience that is typical of ny. "the sky is falling". The team needs some fixing but the whole thing ain't broke.
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12/15/2005  11:42 PM
Curry has always had weight problems, he's always had a poor work ethic, he's always been a poor rebounder, he's always been a poor defender and he's always had a low BB IQ. It's not just about 20 games, it's about his being in his 5th year in the NBA and those things haven't changed.
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12/15/2005  11:48 PM
Jermaine O'Neal didn't really blossom until his 6th year, if Jermaine can put on a few pounds, Curry can take a few off.
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12/16/2005  7:38 AM
Posted by Knight:

Jermaine O'Neal didn't really blossom until his 6th year, if Jermaine can put on a few pounds, Curry can take a few off.

Was it really 6 years. You maybe right. Drafted in 96, became a star under Isiah. Isiah was fired by Bird in 03. Wow, yeah about 6 years. I can't believe the guy is in his 9th year then.
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12/16/2005  7:46 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Curry has always had weight problems, he's always had a poor work ethic, he's always been a poor rebounder, he's always been a poor defender and he's always had a low BB IQ. It's not just about 20 games, it's about his being in his 5th year in the NBA and those things haven't changed.

I think he has improved on his defense the last couple of games. He looks to block more shots and seems more aggressive going after rebounds. Brown needs to let him and Frye play, don't change the line up and just stick with something.
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12/16/2005  10:18 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by islesfan:

Curry has always had weight problems, he's always had a poor work ethic, he's always been a poor rebounder, he's always been a poor defender and he's always had a low BB IQ. It's not just about 20 games, it's about his being in his 5th year in the NBA and those things haven't changed.

I think he has improved on his defense the last couple of games. He looks to block more shots and seems more aggressive going after rebounds. Brown needs to let him and Frye play, don't change the line up and just stick with something.

The Bucks and Magic went to the hole anytime they wanted with Curry in the game. Frye too for that matter. And when the ball goes up you don't see him looking to box out, getting in position and going after the ball, you see him just standing there looking up.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
Fire Isiah before he's allowed to do even more damage

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