Posted by oohah:

If the PG isn't a better PG then whats the point of moving Stephon in the first place, especially when we have someone like Quentin Richardson to play SG and Trevor Ariza SF.

It all depends on the best fit. You want the to have the best players possible at every position. For instance, if somehow Mike Bibby were playing point and Steph was moved to SG, bring Q or JC off the bench. Marbury is just better than Q or JC, as is Bibby.

my top 8 pgs:
Kidd
Nash
Bibby
Davis
Billups*
Cassell (when healthy)
Tinsley (when healthy)
3 way tie for 8th - Parker Marbury Arenas

You have Cassell and Tinsley ahead of Marbury? Ridiculous. You consider Bibby the number 3 PG in the league? Bibby is a nice player, but what has he done in 'career moments' or on a day-to-day basis better than Marbury? Nothing. Don't let one good playoff series fool you.

You are obviously going out of your way to put Marbury low.

my top 8 sgs:
Kobe
T-Mac
Carter
Wade
Pierce
AI
Ginobli
Hamilton

Your SG rankings make much more sense.

Steph if moved could be better at the position than Rip.

Stephon Marbury is better at any position than Hamilton, PG through Center. Marbury is simply a better player. He brings much more to the table. Come on.

* people will try and compare Steph to Chauncey but playing defense, displaying character and leadership were never problems of Billups, he just needed his decision making capabilities tweaked.

Have you watched Billup's career? Do you know how many teams gave up on him? The only possible way to rank Billups ahead of Marbury is to only look at the past 2 seasons, where Marbury was still statistically better, but Billups was much more successful at winning.

While I'm at it, what has Baron Davis done in his career besides accumulate stats? Or Sam Cassell? How about Steve Nash, he was MVP last year, but prior to that, I saw nothing to make him better than Marbury.

The only player from your list who has clearly had a better career than Marbury is Kidd, and you can add Nash if you take into account he is at his peak right now.

oohah

who knew asking your POINT guard to execute a game plan and win which guys like Nash Bibby Davis and Cassell have all shown the ability to do over the course of their careers had such little value.

it took Billups 5 seasons to start to get it. His last one in Minny he played well. thats how he got the contract from Detroit. yr 6 under Carlisle the ECF's. yr 7 world champs.

Posted by gunsnewing:

I would love to see what Tinsley would do on this Knicks team without the likes of Jermaine O'neal, Artest & steven jackson. Guarantee you he wouldn't have all those assists and his FG% would be even lower

Posted by Nalod:


Ok, not for me to come to bonnies aid here, but he asks a good question in light of one thing: Why is Larry moving him to SG and trying to make Craw into the PG?

I'll take the first stab. Cuz the 8 assists he avg.s are garbage considering how much he touches the ball! Marbs to light it up always has the darn ball, thus he gets lots of easy assists. The rest are off of dumping the ball when he drives to the basket.

The question should lie in who is our best SG? Marbs again?

At this time, lets just say that Craw is not out best PG, and maybe the PG that ultimatly takes us to the promise land has yet to be drafted, or traded to us!

FOr now, we are making do and experimenting!

Posted by nyk4ever:

Nixluva, thats one hell of a post. Excellent research. I never even though about looking up the Shots Per Game that other teammates got while playing with Stephon. It really shows that his 8 APG average isnt just hogwash, it's attributed to amount of times he does pass ball. The FGA to Assists is also very telling, geez look at Iversons... 24.7 to 8! thats ridiculous.

Posted by diderotn:

He ran the show nicely when he was in Phoenix,,,why would he fail playing with a very good cast in N.Y.????