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nyk4ever
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10/22/2005  5:28 PM
Yeah I know I say the Knicks should run an offense like the Heat do but there is absolutely no question they have more talent from the 2 main guys involved(obviously). I wish Steph played like Wade does on D as well but its something you learn in college to be honest. You can always see who the good players are in college becuase the guys that lead to their teams far into the tourney bythemselves, which is exactly what Wade did, these are the ones that really turn out to be special, which is why I think Bogut is going to be really special. When you watched Wade at Marquette, he was playing with NO ONE yet Marquette is the Final 4, granted they got slapped by Kansas, Wade was playing all byhimself on that team. College is where it starts with alot of these guys, if you play how you should in college then it almost always carries over into the NBA, and Steph never did it in college, neither did Crawford and plenty of other players.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-22-2005 5:29 PM]
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10/22/2005  5:28 PM
This board is Nate crazy. He hasn't shown good defense, he has shown himself to be a liability. When he jumps to block shots, after the defense rotates and he is not guarding the smallest man on the court, and people shoot over him with such ease. Devin Harris who is 6-3 is 9 inches taller than him and was not effected at all by Nate's defense.

Ball movement, and pick and rolls will expose his size because he will not be able to recover well, and if he jumps too hard he will be in the air for 3 seconds as his man drives to the lane.

Nate is good off the ball with strips and steals in the passing lane, on the ball he is a work in progress.
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10/22/2005  5:28 PM
Rest assure, Marb will play defense this season...I just want for him to board a little better. It is absurd for Nate to have more rebounds than Marb in a game....makes no sense..
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10/22/2005  5:30 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Yeah I know I say the Knicks should run an offense like the Heat do but there is absolutely no question they have more talent from the 2 main guys involved(obviously). I wish Steph played like Wade does on D as well but its something you learn in college to be honest. You can always see who the good players are in college becuase the guys that lead to their teams far into the tourney bythemselves, which is exactly what Wade did, these are the ones that really turn out to be special, which is why I think Bogut is going to be really special. When you watched Wade at Marquette, he was playing with NO ONE yet Marquette is the Final 4, granted they got slapped by Kansas, Wade was playing all byhimself on that team. College is where it starts with alot of these guys, if you play how you should in college then it almost always carries over into the NBA, and Steph never did it in college, neither did Crawford and plenty of other players.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-22-2005 5:29 PM]


yeah imagine if Curry went to college and Marbury stayed for longer than a year or transfered to a better program. I'm not sure staying at Georgia Tech would've made much of a difference lol
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10/22/2005  5:31 PM
well from what I'm seeing marbury is that old dog that's not chasing every bone nate risk his body on every play so he goes for unnessarary boards that the big men can grab marby is not looking to rebound as much as nate is. The little guy is all over the place. Marbury knows to go for the board when its needed not every play.
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10/22/2005  5:35 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Rest assure, Marb will play defense this season...I just want for him to board a little better. It is absurd for Nate to have more rebounds than Marb in a game....makes no sense..


ohhh dido lol whether Marbury rebounds or not isn't going to be the difference maker lol
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10/22/2005  5:38 PM
so u r saying that stephon only passes when it will be an assist for him therefor he doesent pass enough this is the most ridiculous **** i have ever heard in my life u guys are something
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10/22/2005  5:39 PM
That aint right...That is why Marb is not viewed as a player that can make others better. A true leader does those types of things. Rebounding is a very big part of the game,,,,it gives us another possession. Marb needs to get better at doing that...The more people we have chasing the ball is the better. Lead by example

Posted by AkiliNYK:

well from what I'm seeing marbury is that old dog that's not chasing every bone nate risk his body on every play so he goes for unnessarary boards that the big men can grab marby is not looking to rebound as much as nate is. The little guy is all over the place. Marbury knows to go for the board when its needed not every play.


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10/22/2005  5:42 PM
good reading, but you guys have to admit, 20/8 has only been done by one other player. It has nothing to do with padding stats, if it was, more people would do it.

It just seems like some guys just don't like marbury. When I was in highschool, the pg played like marbury, get the defense focused on him, them get the other players involved.

Drive and dish, hit open jumpers, etc.

Marbs is the perfect point guard IMHO...crawford is the perfect 6th man, Nate is the perfect novelty spark plug.

It's preseason. Marbs will be fine. we should be focusing on Curry and James and wondering which overpaid PF will be traded with penny for Lebron.

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[Edited by - rvhoss on 10-22-2005 5:44 PM]
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10/22/2005  5:43 PM
Posted by Elite:

so u r saying that stephon only passes when it will be an assist for him therefor he doesent pass enough this is the most ridiculous **** i have ever heard in my life u guys are something


Don't try to make sense of it, its kinda like the photos from Hurrican Katrina where the white people 'found' food and the black kid 'looted' food. In fact, its exactly like that!!! LOL!!

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 10-22-2005 5:47 PM]
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10/22/2005  5:43 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

good reading, but you guys have to admit, 20/8 has only been done by one other player. It has nothing to do with padding stats, if it was, more people would do it.


I agree.
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10/22/2005  5:48 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Elite:

so u r saying that stephon only passes when it will be an assist for him therefor he doesent pass enough this is the most ridiculous **** i have ever heard in my life u guys are something


Don't try to make sense of it, it goes like this:
Marbury gets selfish assists, whereas, Kidd, Nash and anybody else get philanthropic assists. Its kinda like the photos from Hurrican Katrina where the white people 'found' food and the black kid 'looted' food. In fact, its exactly like that!!! LOL!!


no Kidd & Nash create lanes as have great PG vision and are capable of recognizing what the defense is giving them and adjusting on the fly. They have much better basketball IQ on the court and it shows. I already know the response I'm going to get but just wait and see. Marbury has some players around him that are good should even do better now that they are playing with Marbury so lets see what happens..
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10/22/2005  5:51 PM
Exactly...Let's wait and see....I just don't want Crawff in the starting rotation...
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10/22/2005  6:05 PM
another key difference between MArbury and Kidd is one plays defense, forces TOs, runs the ball and gets easy baskets. not like crawford who dances around the perimeter in the halfcourt only to launch an off-balanced bomb
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10/22/2005  6:20 PM
Here's a riddle for you guys...


What's the difference b/w Jordan and Marbury?


Give up?


Defense, leadership, and the will to win.



Do you realize what I'm saying?

I'm saying Marbury has all the skills that define great players like MJ. But 20 & 8 or not, he is seriously lacking in those other fundamentals that make great players who they are.


You're absolutely right. Very few players could average 20 & 8. I'll give you that without batting an eye. But I think some of you are getting "mesmerized" by his "superstar" numbers and relying on hope instead of the facts.

The facts are that Marbury is TRYING to change. But it's just not gonna happen. I believe things like perseverance and heart are things you're either born with...or learn through life-changing experiences.

Just watch the games when Lee, Crawford, Nate, Frye, and whoever else is in the game. The ball moves around, Crawford passes up shots to find the open man. Lee gets offensive rebounds. Frye uses his muscle in the paint. Nate dives after loose balls and sacrifices his body for rebounds.

That's what NY basketball's all about. Going all out. I don't think I've EVER seen Steph dive for a loose ball, or fight for a rebound against the giants, or pass up a shot just to make the extra pass. I've seen Wade do it. I've seen Kidd do it.

Part of it is that Steph is JUST starting to shed that "superstar" mentality garbage and he IS trying to do the little things for the team. I'll admit that. But you can't have a 75 Mill. "franchise" player only doing 1 or the other, b/c he'll either be hurting us by strangling the team's production, or not adding enoug of his own.

I've ALREADY started to see the latter...

He needs to be dealt, and sooner rather than later.

Don't be mesmerized by the stats.
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10/22/2005  6:20 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

technically okafor also averaged 12 ppg
Technically Okafor averaged over 15 PPG
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10/22/2005  6:21 PM
Why on earth is Marbury being compared to Jordan?
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10/22/2005  6:22 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Why on earth is Marbury being compared to Jordan?


do yourself a favor and read the whole post bon-bon.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/22/2005  6:23 PM
Note to all my Steph haters.....layoff Steph...
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10/22/2005  6:24 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Why on earth is Marbury being compared to Jordan?


do yourself a favor and read the whole post bon-bon.
Good answer!
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