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misterearl
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10/8/2005  2:54 PM
>>Curry's pick and roll defense has sucked.

>>His help defense has sucked.

>>His one-on-one defense suffers with face-up players.

>>He doesn't pass out of the post well.

>>His jump-shot is mediocre.

>>He doesn't run the break.

>>His rebounding on both ends of the floor has really sucked.

>>He doesn't challenge shots and gets miniscule block numbers.

>>He gets called for 3 second violations frequently, offensively and defensively.

>>His stamina has sucked.

So, codeunknown are you suggesting that the 22 year-old Eddy Cuury is a waste of time?
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10/8/2005  2:58 PM
HaterAde is a difficult beverage to sweeten

code - All this venom BEFORE Curry has yet to play a single game iin a Knicks uniform?

Personally, I'd prefer to grant Curry the patience of AT LEAST getting on the court. with his new team mates, under a new system.... BEFORE tossing stones at his face

Amazing



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10/8/2005  3:01 PM
the book on curry--tremendous physical specimen--lacks a great deal of fundamental skill but has the ability to dominate at the offensive end at will--needs to play harder needs to concentrate more, needs to use his body to his advantage poor basketball IQ needs to play MEAN does not play MEAN needs to show hes the boss out there--he could stand a summer like ok4 and dwight where he puts on a rock hard 10 pounds of muscle--get up to a hard 295 and then really intimidate with it
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10/8/2005  3:07 PM
Who Wrote The Book Of Love?

> the book on curry-

What "book"?

Poor basketball IQ.... as measured by whom?

The stereotypes are KILLIN' me.

>he could stand a summer like ok4 and dwight

Working out with Michael Jordan's trainer Tim Grover not good enough for you?

I wonder what the reaction would be if Isiah had acquired Wally Szerbiak instead.

Gimme a break



[Edited by - MisterEarl on 10-08-2005 3:08 PM]
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10/8/2005  3:12 PM

.... to have Curry to look forward to, scoring down low .... c'mon.

are you REALLY missing Travis Knight and Michael Doleac?

Sheesh
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10/8/2005  3:13 PM
[quote]
Posted by misterearl:

Who Wrote The Book Of Love?

> the book on curry-

What "book"?

Poor basketball IQ.... as measured by whom?

The stereotypes are KILLIN' me.

>he could stand a summer like ok4 and dwight

Working out with Michael Jordan's trainer Tim Grover not good enough for you?

I wonder what the reaction would be if Isiah had acquired Wally Szerbiak instead.

Gimme a break




I think you can ask anyone in here, Im pretty much fair right down the line. Eddie Curry is not a high IQ player--he doesnt pass, he doesnt know how to use his body to rebound, block shots, he turns the ball a good deal

he is what he is, he is an incredible physical specimen who can dominate on the offensive end at times but lacks a great deal of fundamentals--can you tell me something different? a high IQ player averages more than 0.8 assists, doesnt look lost many times, uses their bodies to full advanatage if curry played mean and smart hed be 24-12-3.5-2

im not a big wally z guy
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10/8/2005  3:15 PM
Hey I'm rooting hard for him now that's he's on the Knicks and I'm just going to show him love but everything Briggs is saying has been acknowledged by most people who've followed the guy's career. Read any review on him on basketball sites.
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10/8/2005  3:37 PM
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We'll all be singing Kumbaya if we sit in the lottery again.

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10/8/2005  3:58 PM
And Another Thing

Fan speculation - armed with endless variations s of potential one-sided, fantasy league / REAL GM / "trading card quality" "deals' and perfect-case trade scenarios is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from the REALITY of high-stakes negotiations with other NBA executives and the fraternity of millionaire players

Isiah has reinvented the Knicks franchise in LESS than two years and the press absolutely HATES his confident smile.

They hate his style and perceived swagger

They HATE the fact the information leaks at MSG have been been slowed to a trickle

As a result,, most writers would like nothing better than to see Zeke fail

Too bad

Too late

We Knicks fans are about to have some fun

Oh yeah, Larry Brown is on Letterman thihs week

Can It get any better?
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10/8/2005  4:05 PM
>he is what he is, he is an incredible physical specimen

Briggs - the kid is 22. What gives anyone the right to set expectations for him based on some ridiculous notion of his potential?

An incredible physical specimen?

Wrong.

He is a young man, with a developing body, still learning his craft in the same way Eli Manning is learning his. Do you remember what YOU were capable of at 22 years old?

Curry is still learning the pro game after a decision to avoid college and go directly to the pros. It is that simple.

You speak as if Curry has some mental deficiency that will prevent his development. It borders on cruel and unecessary criticism.

Give it a rest

Let him play

Why is it so difficult to allow Larry Brown coach him to be better - - without the insults?

Damn
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10/8/2005  4:11 PM
7'4 Slavko Vranes was an incredible physical specimen

Yao Ming is an incredible physical specimen

So was 6'11 Maciej Lampe

So was Tree Rollins
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10/8/2005  4:19 PM
Curry just needs to be coached. He doesn't know the things that kids who spent 3 or 4 years in one system with one coach know. Floyd and Cartwright were too busy trying to figure out and keep a head coaching job in the NBA to fix and teenagers fundamentals. Scott Skyles had a sickening attitude toward the kid, that probably had more to do with Scott Skyles "the player" than what Scott Skyles is supposed to be as a sober coach.

Larry and the staff will get Curry fundamentally sound.
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10/8/2005  4:22 PM
Posted by misterearl:


a tandem of Halle Berry, Jenna Jamison and Catherine Zeta-Jones were washing your car in the nude.

I promise to love the Curry trade if you can get that to happen.
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10/8/2005  4:40 PM
I think that this deal is worth the risk. If it blows up it blows up. But I'm not gonna cry over giving Fugazy. Sweetney might be missed, but ohnestly the chances of him turning into anything are much less than that of Curry, heart condition or not.

Look at this way, if healthy, Curry in a couple of years will devlop into a franchie center. You don't pass up this kind of gambles. Its about what you risk vs. the return. Lets say you are on a flush draw and somebody bets a sizable bet into you, but its only about 1/10 out of your stack, I say you call.
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10/8/2005  4:40 PM
[quote]
Posted by misterearl:

>he is what he is, he is an incredible physical specimen

Briggs - the kid is 22. What gives anyone the right to set expectations for him based on some ridiculous notion of his potential?

An incredible physical specimen?

Wrong.

He is a young man, with a developing body, still learning his craft in the same way Eli Manning is learning his. Do you remember what YOU were capable of at 22 years old?

Curry is still learning the pro game after a decision to avoid college and go directly to the pros. It is that simple.

You speak as if Curry has some mental deficiency that will prevent his development. It borders on cruel and unecessary criticism.

Give it a rest

Let him play

Why is it so difficult to allow Larry Brown coach him to be better - - without the insults?

Damn

Why are you going over the deep end? I liked the deal, it was a no-brainer. I didnt say anything cruel about Eddye curry, I said he lacked fundamental skill and right now has a low basketball IQ--Im just telling the truth! I also said he can dominate at the offensive end when he wants---lets not make age an issue 19 YO Dwight Howard 10 rebounds 19 year old Cheis Bosh 16-8 21 YO Emeka Okafor 16 and 11 22 eddy curry so far 16 and 5--hes been in the league 4 years--can he can better--YES but he should be doing that now! 20-10 RIGHT NOW play 40 minutes


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10/8/2005  5:29 PM
its very possible the Curry wont be much more than a scorer. Its a forgone conclusion that he's going to hit for 20ppg and shoot in the area of 52-55% from the field. So whats his downside? A 20/7 player that dominates on offense and clogs the lane? Center is not a scoring position in the league. You can count the # of centers that are bigtime scorers on one hand.

Also the comparisons to guys like Amare or Howard arent fair because the body types are just different.

The biggest problem with Curry's #s are his minutes are very inconsistent. He's had a handfull of games with > 10 boards. He's also had some monster scoring games. He's also had some Sweetney-esque games where he just didnt play alot.
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10/8/2005  5:51 PM
Posted by simrud:

I think that this deal is worth the risk. If it blows up it blows up. But I'm not gonna cry over giving Fugazy. Sweetney might be missed, but ohnestly the chances of him turning into anything are much less than that of Curry, heart condition or not.

Look at this way, if healthy, Curry in a couple of years will devlop into a franchie center. You don't pass up this kind of gambles. Its about what you risk vs. the return. Lets say you are on a flush draw and somebody bets a sizable bet into you, but its only about 1/10 out of your stack, I say you call.

Yes. You call. Like I said, the saving grace of the trade is that we've hardly lost any valuable assets in Mike or Tim. As long as Curry stays healthy, the downside of the trade is not catastrophic.

But, holy ****, we're in a quagmire if this doesn't pan out. The reward is huge. But, the cumulative risk of this experiment is mediocrity for atleast the next 5 years. I cringe to look at our payroll and Dolan will reign it in at some point if we keep sucking (a distinctly real possibility). That means we are over the cap for 5 years, no more expiring contract deals allowed, many draft picks lost, Brown gone in 3 years and Marbury on the decline. Bottom line is this squad is our future - sink or swim. And recovery from a bust means rehab for every Knick fan.
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10/8/2005  6:01 PM
"I'm ready," Curry said. "It was a little bit of a scare and a rocky summer, but the time to take stuff for granted is over. There's some relief but the journey's not over. I've got to live up to the trade and the expectations."

Great attitude to have. Lets see him back that up. Rebounding and shotblocking are about positioning and timing. And he has the size and quickness to get it done. Hopefully that along with Brown getting him to work on positioning and timeing will help him be the player he is cappable.
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10/8/2005  6:02 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by simrud:

I think that this deal is worth the risk. If it blows up it blows up. But I'm not gonna cry over giving Fugazy. Sweetney might be missed, but ohnestly the chances of him turning into anything are much less than that of Curry, heart condition or not.

Look at this way, if healthy, Curry in a couple of years will devlop into a franchie center. You don't pass up this kind of gambles. Its about what you risk vs. the return. Lets say you are on a flush draw and somebody bets a sizable bet into you, but its only about 1/10 out of your stack, I say you call.

Yes. You call. Like I said, the saving grace of the trade is that we've hardly lost any valuable assets in Mike or Tim. As long as Curry stays healthy, the downside of the trade is not catastrophic.

But, holy ****, we're in a quagmire if this doesn't pan out. The reward is huge. But, the cumulative risk of this experiment is mediocrity for atleast the next 5 years. I cringe to look at our payroll and Dolan will reign it in at some point if we keep sucking (a distinctly real possibility). That means we are over the cap for 5 years, no more expiring contract deals allowed, many draft picks lost, Brown gone in 3 years and Marbury on the decline. Bottom line is this squad is our future - sink or swim. And recovery from a bust means rehab for every Knick fan.

That is the downside, if we are not good right away, if something bad happens, chicago owns us for the next two years. they control our next two drafts and we cant trade any more picks because we dont have any left. thats why Im a proponent of trading for jalen rose and keeping Davis. Were not really going to be a great defensive team, but I think we can put some things together and win by outscoring teams. I know larry brown doesnt want to do it, but we simply dont have they type of squad he likes--the way this team wins must be like pheonix--get up the floor and out up #s
thats why I say bring on rose we dont need penny allan will be done and ariza still is raw--I think its a smart move.
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10/8/2005  6:12 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

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Posted by misterearl:

>he is what he is, he is an incredible physical specimen

Briggs - the kid is 22. What gives anyone the right to set expectations for him based on some ridiculous notion of his potential?

An incredible physical specimen?

Wrong.

He is a young man, with a developing body, still learning his craft in the same way Eli Manning is learning his. Do you remember what YOU were capable of at 22 years old?

Curry is still learning the pro game after a decision to avoid college and go directly to the pros. It is that simple.

You speak as if Curry has some mental deficiency that will prevent his development. It borders on cruel and unecessary criticism.

Give it a rest

Let him play

Why is it so difficult to allow Larry Brown coach him to be better - - without the insults?

Damn

Why are you going over the deep end? I liked the deal, it was a no-brainer. I didnt say anything cruel about Eddye curry, I said he lacked fundamental skill and right now has a low basketball IQ--Im just telling the truth! I also said he can dominate at the offensive end when he wants---lets not make age an issue 19 YO Dwight Howard 10 rebounds 19 year old Cheis Bosh 16-8 21 YO Emeka Okafor 16 and 11 22 eddy curry so far 16 and 5--hes been in the league 4 years--can he can better--YES but he should be doing that now! 20-10 RIGHT NOW play 40 minutes

Misterearl, I agree with the sentiment of mosts of your posts. Briggs however is in the middle. He's like a Independent in politics and just wants to see the Knicks do well. He's even admitted when he was wrong....at times

While there are some others that are annoying in their constant whining (they even whine when they're predictably calling someone out for calling them out for there whining). They're like little whiney girls.....whine, whine, whine.... and you guys know who you are

I have to say that Briggs has come a long way in a short period of time. He has acknowledged that he was obsessing over the Bynum situation He has even in recent times been positive about Fryes potential. This is compared to the big softee he preached Frye would be immediately after the draft (he's just venting over his disappointment with the non Bynum selection).

He does have a penchant for crying wolf and touting that the sky is falling. He regularly post valuable information and facts for all of us to digest. On another note, when he's irregular don't ask him to post a link....he'll lose it everytime)

Nevertheless, he's a true blue Knickerbocker to the core. He's generally constructive in his criticism and balanced in his assessment of Isiah and his moves.


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