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franco12
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10/3/2005  10:15 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Im with ya, Im on the Curry bandwagon here--ill do it right now lee sweetney and thomas--im willing to take a risk and shake it up--i agree with you, i know that stress echo's used with injected dye and MRI imaging show the left ventricle wall and blood flow at maximum heart beat--we can say dna till the cows come home, but if he is testing at a normal blood flow at maximum output and his walls are moving normally, its going to be a normal stress test --in fact I see plausible scenarios where if he goes through a year with no problems and does some retesting--im sure insurance can become available again.
we dont need 40 min a night from curry--we need a hard 26

Briggs- if we're giving up that much for Curry, I'd like to think we're getting more in playing time/production than 26 mins.
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10/3/2005  10:24 AM
You all are enamored with Curry being a 'center', being 6'11".

Stop!

He has never grabbed boards in his life like a center.

If he is a center, then he is a Tim Thomas Center- a player with all the makings of a real star, but no heart.

Potential ain't realization.

Unless we get him for Junk, its a dumb move. Unless Curry had the DNA test himself and has shared that with Isiah alone, say through crawford, there is no way to know if this is a congential condition that could get worse.

I'd rather hold Tim Thomas until the trading deadline- we need three point shooting and TT is the only one besides Houston that has shown any consistency shooting three's- and see if some team in a tight play off race or a team looking to shed salary might offer up good value for his ending contract/play.

And Lee not getting playing time here? He might get more than Curry since Curry might be sitting in a hospital or morgue this season!

And I think there is one thing we can say about Lee- he's going to scrap and try to rebound- that is more than curry has shown in his considerable pro career.

Curry is young yes, but he's gotten plenty of playing time.
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10/3/2005  10:30 AM
Do the Curry deal only if the Bulls are willing to accept one of our bad contracts. Also, if they do take one of our bad contracts ( Mo T, Malik and Penny) I want Pargo in exchange for the 1st round pick. Pargo is a pretty good PG that can also play defense, he would fit nicely in a Larry Brown system, especially when Marb is at the SG position. He is big enough to guard the 2 and discipline enough to play the point.
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10/3/2005  10:43 AM
I think Curry is a great talent, but I think he and Frye are a bad mix together on the same frontline. We need some gritty rebounders. Frye and Curry are both offensive studs who play dubious D and don't rebound well. Lee is a rebounding, defensive fiend. Sweetney hits the boards and can score almost as well as Curry in the post. The only thing Curry has on Sweets is three inches in height. Obviously that makes a big difference, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that Sweets can be just as good as Curry on offense. The question mark with Curry is whether he can improve his effort on defense. His size would make him a beast on D. But that and his health are HUGE IFs right now. There's no way I give the Bulls Sweetney AND Lee. I give them one or the other. They want Lee over Sweetney, fine. They want Sweetney over Lee? fine. Pick one, Bulls. No one else in the league is offering you ANYTHING. Not to mention we're throwing in a pick and a nice expiring deal who might play hard for two weeks if he's in a good mood (bye, Timmy). That's a good deal for Chicago. Giving them Lee and Sweetney is insane and rids our team of its two best rebounders in one fail swoop.
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10/3/2005  12:08 PM
I would trade Frye before I would trade Sweetney; at least he is a workhorse down lown and can rebound the basketball.....Sweets is going to put up solid numbers if he would just lose 15 pounds he would be a very good player.....

In all honesty I would rather trade fro someone like Chris Wilcox who is under the radar and not going to command a big deal, someone that can finish and dunk the ball around the rim from feeds by our guards
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10/3/2005  12:43 PM
Posted by MS:

I would trade Frye before I would trade Sweetney; at least he is a workhorse down lown and can rebound the basketball.....Sweets is going to put up solid numbers if he would just lose 15 pounds he would be a very good player.....

In all honesty I would rather trade fro someone like Chris Wilcox who is under the radar and not going to command a big deal, someone that can finish and dunk the ball around the rim from feeds by our guards


Yes! Who had posted how Curry is going to be able to finish off Marbury dishes? We're better off getting a big that can get out on the break and put pressure on opposing teams. The only break Curry ever mastered was 'lunch break'
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10/3/2005  12:53 PM
are you insane????

Posted by MS:

I would trade Frye before I would trade Sweetney; at least he is a workhorse down lown and can rebound the basketball.....Sweets is going to put up solid numbers if he would just lose 15 pounds he would be a very good player.....

In all honesty I would rather trade fro someone like Chris Wilcox who is under the radar and not going to command a big deal, someone that can finish and dunk the ball around the rim from feeds by our guards


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10/3/2005  1:06 PM
Posted by diderotn:

are you insane????

Posted by MS:

I would trade Frye before I would trade Sweetney; at least he is a workhorse down lown and can rebound the basketball.....Sweets is going to put up solid numbers if he would just lose 15 pounds he would be a very good player.....

In all honesty I would rather trade fro someone like Chris Wilcox who is under the radar and not going to command a big deal, someone that can finish and dunk the ball around the rim from feeds by our guards

Then, I'm insane too, because I would do it also.
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10/3/2005  1:10 PM
Posted by MS:

I would trade Frye before I would trade Sweetney; at least he is a workhorse down lown and can rebound the basketball.....Sweets is going to put up solid numbers if he would just lose 15 pounds he would be a very good player.....

In all honesty I would rather trade fro someone like Chris Wilcox who is under the radar and not going to command a big deal, someone that can finish and dunk the ball around the rim from feeds by our guards

Good post. While I've never been a Wilcox fan, I'll admit he's become a pretty good player in this league. I wouldn't give any more for Wilcox than I would for Curry, though.

That aside... I agree with your analysis. To me, all of this effort going for Curry sounds like neither James nor Frye are going to fill our gap in the middle. Therefore, if you think Curry is the solution (I'm not saying he is), it's reasonable to part with Frye. Right now I'm in the same camp as you thinking that Sweetney will be a better pro than Frye. Curry, Sweetney and James would be an interesting C/PF trio.
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10/3/2005  1:10 PM
ok...so your both insane.
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10/3/2005  1:10 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by diderotn:

are you insane????

Posted by MS:

I would trade Frye before I would trade Sweetney; at least he is a workhorse down lown and can rebound the basketball.....Sweets is going to put up solid numbers if he would just lose 15 pounds he would be a very good player.....

In all honesty I would rather trade fro someone like Chris Wilcox who is under the radar and not going to command a big deal, someone that can finish and dunk the ball around the rim from feeds by our guards
Then, I'm insane too, because I would do it also.

We all know which poster is really insane. I don't have to spell it out.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

deal is stalled right now over chicago wanting lee versus our offer of 1st and 2nd round picks

my opinion--if you like curry that much---give them lee and keep the picks. lee has very litle chance at playing time this year--we have malik rose signed, you never know what could happen to tim duncan--if he gets hurt like he did towards the end of last year--i mean we could end up with a 14-18 pick if thimngs go somewhat foul for the spurs and it could happen--let lee go and lets be patient with the pick


Briggs let me ask you, why do you think the bulls want lee or ariza over the pick? they are not stupid, they know that these two guys are possibly and most likely better than any player you can get from 12-30 in next years draft...

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10/3/2005  1:19 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by MS:

I would trade Frye before I would trade Sweetney; at least he is a workhorse down lown and can rebound the basketball.....Sweets is going to put up solid numbers if he would just lose 15 pounds he would be a very good player.....

In all honesty I would rather trade fro someone like Chris Wilcox who is under the radar and not going to command a big deal, someone that can finish and dunk the ball around the rim from feeds by our guards

Good post. While I've never been a Wilcox fan, I'll admit he's become a pretty good player in this league. I wouldn't give any more for Wilcox than I would for Curry, though.

That aside... I agree with your analysis. To me, all of this effort going for Curry sounds like neither James nor Frye are going to fill our gap in the middle. Therefore, if you think Curry is the solution (I'm not saying he is), it's reasonable to part with Frye. Right now I'm in the same camp as you thinking that Sweetney will be a better pro than Frye. Curry, Sweetney and James would be an interesting C/PF trio.


I would love to land Wilcox, even over Curry (but I don't see it happening so...), but I would much prefer a lineup of JJ, Curry and Frye to Sweets, JJ and Curry....JJ and frye can play the 5 and 4 and you can swing Curry back and forth between the 5 and 4 off the bench short term. Also, I would love to try out a lineup of JJ at C, Curry at PF, and Frye at SF with Q and Craw in the back court (6-5, 6-6, 6-11, 6-11, 7-2)

I think utimately Frye will settle into a Rasheed Wallace-esque role of being able to play all 3 front court positions well. I think Sheed has alot more talent but I feel Sheed hasn't maximized his talent at all....He was supposed to be along the lines of what KG is now, but has settled into a great secondary player a la James Worthy or Vinnie Johnson or Dave Cowens type of status...Frye doesn't have that much talent, IMO, but I think he is capable of 15 and 8 type of numbers with a very unique inside/outside versatility.
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10/3/2005  1:24 PM
Posted by tkf:

i[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

deal is stalled right now over chicago wanting lee versus our offer of 1st and 2nd round picks

my opinion--if you like curry that much---give them lee and keep the picks. lee has very litle chance at playing time this year--we have malik rose signed, you never know what could happen to tim duncan--if he gets hurt like he did towards the end of last year--i mean we could end up with a 14-18 pick if thimngs go somewhat foul for the spurs and it could happen--let lee go and lets be patient with the pick


Briggs let me ask you, why do you think the bulls want lee or ariza over the pick? they are not stupid, they know that these two guys are possibly and most likely better than any player you can get from 12-30 in next years draft...

If i KNEW Curry was 100% healthy, then I would give them a throw in. The problem is no one here knows the true status of Curry, so we are all purely speculating. We know for sure that there are some negatives--he cant be insured and the Bulls dont even want to give him 5mm$, butthere have been doctors who say he is fine and the knicks are pumping the cash register--although ONLY team to do so-----what scares me a tad here is that we just drafted Channing Frye very high. If we threw in Le with Sweetney--we still would have Frye, Curry, James, Taylor, Rose--all making generous smack
and thats not including Butler--at some point only so many guys can play--so is Frye playing poorly in scrimmages? even if lee was playing really well--we sit in an overloaded position--we have excess at high $$$ for multiple years.
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10/3/2005  1:24 PM
Frye doesn't have that much talent????? are you serious? wait until the end of the season to say such things...
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10/3/2005  1:28 PM
what i was trying to say there was they should be more high on Frye, and Frye should be locked in to absorb 25+ minutes 4/5-i mean we won 30 games last year, Frye should get run.

Im thinking that if they keep the picks and give them lee, they can find a comparable player in next years draft. what if we drafted eric williams or josh bonne or something of that ilk--is Lee really any better than those guys? i dont see where lee has superstar written on his forehead.
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10/3/2005  1:28 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Im with ya, Im on the Curry bandwagon here--ill do it right now lee sweetney and thomas--im willing to take a risk and shake it up--i agree with you, i know that stress echo's used with injected dye and MRI imaging show the left ventricle wall and blood flow at maximum heart beat--we can say dna till the cows come home, but if he is testing at a normal blood flow at maximum output and his walls are moving normally, its going to be a normal stress test --in fact I see plausible scenarios where if he goes through a year with no problems and does some retesting--im sure insurance can become available again.
we dont need 40 min a night from curry--we need a hard 26

Briggs- if we're giving up that much for Curry, I'd like to think we're getting more in playing time/production than 26 mins.




he's only 22, you think he is going to average 26-28 min his entire career?
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10/3/2005  1:32 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Frye doesn't have that much talent????? are you serious? wait until the end of the season to say such things...


If you actually go and take what I said in context (now this is if you are answering my post, disregard if you are not):
I think Sheed has alot more talent but I feel Sheed hasn't maximized his talent at all....He was supposed to be along the lines of what KG is now, but has settled into a great secondary player a la James Worthy or Vinnie Johnson or Dave Cowens type of status...Frye doesn't have that much talent, IMO, but I think he is capable of 15 and 8 type of numbers with a very unique inside/outside versatility.

I compared Frye to Sheed and Sheed was supposed to revolutionize the frontcourt position, he was supposed to be what KG is now before KG did it, but Sheed never did that.
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10/3/2005  2:39 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

what i was trying to say there was they should be more high on Frye, and Frye should be locked in to absorb 25+ minutes 4/5-i mean we won 30 games last year, Frye should get run.

Im thinking that if they keep the picks and give them lee, they can find a comparable player in next years draft. what if we drafted eric williams or josh bonne or something of that ilk--is Lee really any better than those guys? i dont see where lee has superstar written on his forehead.

He dosn't have to have superstar written for him to be very successful! But his value to us and trade value has some nice upside. I think the trade arguement lies in Sweets. They get a power forward, a young power forward who could have some nice upside, a first round pick, and massive ending contract.
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10/3/2005  3:03 PM
If Paxson really believes that Curry is really not healthy why don't he just let him walk? Why he is so intent on giving him the one year contract? To me it is just a lowball move. They paid Chandler but it took forever. They offer Curry a lowball deal which he refused. As far as Curry's heart "problem.", I chalked that up to fact that anyone could dropped dead of heart issues even people with clean bills of health. The same with players who have kidney issues and don't know it. Same with players who have high blood pressures (curious why I don't hear about High blood pressure issues). I wouldn't put too much stock in who insurance companies insure and who they don't. I am no acturial but it seems to me that the chances are far greater that someone with bad knees is far more of risk to not finish a contract than someone with an irregular heartbeat who has played organized basketball for more than 10 years with 4 at the professional level.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 10-03-2005 3:04 PM]

[Edited by - pharzeone on 10-03-2005 3:04 PM]
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